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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
by the way major kudos to Budweiser having a spot ready with an old school Harry Carry Bud commercial from the 1984 season.
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
so for all that folks say about baseball with no parity.....
since 1983, so only 33 years- had 20 different champions.
consider this
NBA- only 18 teams ever have won the title. only 11 since 1983
NFL- only 16 champions since 1973(same as 1983)
NHL- only 18 champions ever with the NHL. only 16 since 1983.
amazing how a lot of folks say baseball with no parity- but it's really not the case at all whatsoever.
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
(11-03-2016 10:49 AM)stever20 Wrote: so for all that folks say about baseball with no parity.....
since 1983, so only 33 years- had 20 different champions.
consider this
NBA- only 18 teams ever have won the title. only 11 since 1983
NFL- only 16 champions since 1973(same as 1983)
NHL- only 18 champions ever with the NHL. only 16 since 1983.
amazing how a lot of folks say baseball with no parity- but it's really not the case at all whatsoever.
+3 excellent post and excellent points, stever.
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
here's the 15 teams with the longest droughts now in baseball..
1 Cleveland- 1948
2 Texas- 1961(never)
3 Houston- 1962(never)
4 Milwaukee-1969(never)
5 San Diego- 1969(never)
6 Washington-1969(never)
7 Seattle-1977(never)
8 Pittsburgh-1979
9 Baltimore-1983
10 Detroit-1984
11 NY Mets-1986
12 LA Dodgers-1988
13 Oakland-1989
14 Cincinnati- 1990
15 Minnesota- 1991
amazing to see Tigers, Mets, Dodgers in this list.
Since the strike in 1994, had 13 different champions- in 22 years.
in that time-
NFL- 12 champions
NBA- 10 champions
NHL- 11 champions
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
(11-03-2016 08:34 AM)stever20 Wrote: wow how about this...
Overnight ratings:
Cubs-Indians gm 7: 25.2
Cavs-Warriors gm 7 18.9
I'd buy that because of the long history of not doing it on both sides... You were watching history either way it went.
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
(11-03-2016 12:20 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote: (11-03-2016 08:34 AM)stever20 Wrote: wow how about this...
Overnight ratings:
Cubs-Indians gm 7: 25.2
Cavs-Warriors gm 7 18.9
I'd buy that because of the long history of not doing it on both sides... You were watching history either way it went.
but the other was on a Sunday night(most watched night) and earlier in the night.
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
so yeah, game got over 40 million viewers. It's the most watched MLB game since 1991's game 7 with Braves/Twins- and thus most watched game since the strike.
Game was the 5th most watched game of the year overall- behind only the Super Bowl, both conference championships, and Pittsburgh/Denver.
also most watched non NFL game or Olympics since at least the late 90's.
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
(11-03-2016 11:07 AM)stever20 Wrote: here's the 15 teams with the longest droughts now in baseball..
1 Cleveland- 1948
2 Texas- 1961(never)
3 Houston- 1962(never)
4 Milwaukee-1969(never)**
5 San Diego- 1969(never)
6 Washington-1969(never)
7 Seattle-1977(never)
8 Pittsburgh-1979
9 Baltimore-1983
10 Detroit-1984
11 NY Mets-1986
12 LA Dodgers-1988
13 Oakland-1989
14 Cincinnati- 1990
15 Minnesota- 1991
amazing to see Tigers, Mets, Dodgers in this list.
Since the strike in 1994, had 13 different champions- in 22 years.
in that time-
NFL- 12 champions
NBA- 10 champions
NHL- 11 champions
**Milwaukee Braves won WS before they moved to Atlanta.
1957 Milwaukee Braves (3, 2–1) Fred Haney 4–3 New York Yankees (23, 17–6) Casey Stengel
1958 New York Yankees (24, 18–6) Casey Stengel 4–3 Milwaukee Braves (4, 2–2) Fred Haney
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
(11-03-2016 01:24 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: (11-03-2016 11:07 AM)stever20 Wrote: here's the 15 teams with the longest droughts now in baseball..
1 Cleveland- 1948
2 Texas- 1961(never)
3 Houston- 1962(never)
4 Milwaukee-1969(never)**
5 San Diego- 1969(never)
6 Washington-1969(never)
7 Seattle-1977(never)
8 Pittsburgh-1979
9 Baltimore-1983
10 Detroit-1984
11 NY Mets-1986
12 LA Dodgers-1988
13 Oakland-1989
14 Cincinnati- 1990
15 Minnesota- 1991
amazing to see Tigers, Mets, Dodgers in this list.
Since the strike in 1994, had 13 different champions- in 22 years.
in that time-
NFL- 12 champions
NBA- 10 champions
NHL- 11 champions
**Milwaukee Braves won WS before they moved to Atlanta.
1957 Milwaukee Braves (3, 2–1) Fred Haney 4–3 New York Yankees (23, 17–6) Casey Stengel
1958 New York Yankees (24, 18–6) Casey Stengel 4–3 Milwaukee Braves (4, 2–2) Fred Haney
it's the organization, not the city. The Brewers(original Seattle Pilots)- never won the World Series.
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
(11-03-2016 08:36 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: This series and the Cubs and Indians runs through the postseason are the best of what the game of baseball can be. Glad so many watched it on TV. Great story and great send-off to the off-season. Can't wait until February to see what moves are made and how new teams look in 2017!
This game was so intriguing people I know that don't even watch or like baseball watched it. It was intense.
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
the question will be can MLB capture some of those viewers?
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
(11-03-2016 10:49 AM)stever20 Wrote: so for all that folks say about baseball with no parity.....
since 1983, so only 33 years- had 20 different champions.
consider this
NBA- only 18 teams ever have won the title. only 11 since 1983
NFL- only 16 champions since 1973(same as 1983)
NHL- only 18 champions ever with the NHL. only 16 since 1983.
amazing how a lot of folks say baseball with no parity- but it's really not the case at all whatsoever.
You act like there's been extreme parity. Most of the recent World Series appearances are by the same few teams. Some of the titles were outright flukes (Marlins). We've heard little from the Mariners, Brewers, Rays, Rockies, Astros, Marlins, Rangers, Padres, Tigers, White Sox, Angels, Expos/Nationals, Orioles, Pirates, Reds, D'Backs or even the Dodgers and A's. Or the Cubs for that matter, beyond their hype and the past couple seasons.
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
(11-03-2016 01:56 PM)stever20 Wrote: the question will be can MLB capture some of those viewers?
Nope...this is a phenomenon that happens not just in sports but in all facets of society. When the major event happens, people tune in. I'm not into politics but I'll be glued to the TV next week because of the presedential election and won't actively pay attention for another 4 years. Or me a couple years ago during the World Cup and the Olympics with certain sports. As soon as it's over, it's back to what you enjoy.
Generally speaking, you have to grow up with something or actively be involved with the activity to stay engaged for a long time. You can also get dragged into it by a loved one.
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
(11-03-2016 01:56 PM)stever20 Wrote: the question will be can MLB capture some of those viewers?
The confluence of factors for last night - 108-year Cubs drought, midweek, World Series game 7 - can't be replicated. Especially not for regular-season broadcasts. Casual fans are not going to warm up to watching 162 games over six months. That's even true for the NBA. No matter how much casual fans enjoyed Cavs-Warriors last spring, it's a long regular-season slog from late October to the start of the playoffs in mid-April.
Long regular seasons are a relic of the time when ticket sales and other game-day revenue was pretty much the only revenue for team owners. Regular seasons for MLB and NBA would be a lot more compelling to watch if the number of games was cut in half. That's never going to happen, because ticket sales are strong enough even for those long regular seasons, and the TV networks like the inventory because even at the lower regular-season rating levels, live game broadcasts have a lot of VORP, to borrow the baseball statistics term.
But we are not going to see a significant increase in regular-season TV ratings. Next year's postseason, maybe, if the right mix of teams is in the playoffs. Baseball's postseason TV ratings are more dependent than other pro sports on the teams that are involved. Cubs, Dodgers, Cardinals, Yankees, Red Sox will always bring at least good ratings. OTOH, Blue Jays, Diamondbacks, Rays, Brewers ... pretty sure the TV execs quietly root against those teams and a few others if they are in contention in September.
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
(11-03-2016 02:26 PM)_C2_ Wrote: (11-03-2016 10:49 AM)stever20 Wrote: so for all that folks say about baseball with no parity.....
since 1983, so only 33 years- had 20 different champions.
consider this
NBA- only 18 teams ever have won the title. only 11 since 1983
NFL- only 16 champions since 1973(same as 1983)
NHL- only 18 champions ever with the NHL. only 16 since 1983.
amazing how a lot of folks say baseball with no parity- but it's really not the case at all whatsoever.
You act like there's been extreme parity. Most of the recent World Series appearances are by the same few teams. Some of the titles were outright flukes (Marlins). We've heard little from the Mariners, Brewers, Rays, Rockies, Astros, Marlins, Rangers, Padres, Tigers, White Sox, Angels, Expos/Nationals, Orioles, Pirates, Reds, D'Backs or even the Dodgers and A's. Or the Cubs for that matter, beyond their hype and the past couple seasons.
that's funny. last 15 years the Rays, Rockies, Astros, Marlins Rangers, Tigers, White Sox, Angels, D'Backs have all been in the World Series. And Orioles, Reds, Dodgers have been in LCS.
And compared to the NFL- it is extreme parity. Last 14 years how many AFC teams made the Super Bowl? 5 of them. Only 14 teams have been in the Super Bowl last 14 years.... With most of them the same teams. With New England a prohibitive favorite again this year- but if not them likely either Pittsburgh or Denver(both repeats). And unless Dallas or Minnesota goes- another repeat for NFC. If NE goes this year, that'd be 7/15 years NE in the Super Bowl. Some parity.
compare to baseball same time period- so since 2002 season. 17 teams. With only 3 teams in those 15 years going more than twice.
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
(11-03-2016 03:03 PM)Wedge Wrote: (11-03-2016 01:56 PM)stever20 Wrote: the question will be can MLB capture some of those viewers?
The confluence of factors for last night - 108-year Cubs drought, midweek, World Series game 7 - can't be replicated. Especially not for regular-season broadcasts. Casual fans are not going to warm up to watching 162 games over six months. That's even true for the NBA. No matter how much casual fans enjoyed Cavs-Warriors last spring, it's a long regular-season slog from late October to the start of the playoffs in mid-April.
Long regular seasons are a relic of the time when ticket sales and other game-day revenue was pretty much the only revenue for team owners. Regular seasons for MLB and NBA would be a lot more compelling to watch if the number of games was cut in half. That's never going to happen, because ticket sales are strong enough even for those long regular seasons, and the TV networks like the inventory because even at the lower regular-season rating levels, live game broadcasts have a lot of VORP, to borrow the baseball statistics term.
But we are not going to see a significant increase in regular-season TV ratings. Next year's postseason, maybe, if the right mix of teams is in the playoffs. Baseball's postseason TV ratings are more dependent than other pro sports on the teams that are involved. Cubs, Dodgers, Cardinals, Yankees, Red Sox will always bring at least good ratings. OTOH, Blue Jays, Diamondbacks, Rays, Brewers ... pretty sure the TV execs quietly root against those teams and a few others if they are in contention in September.
You can say that again...the regular seasons are long and taxing. The NBA should speed up the season (more back-to-backs and back-to-back-to-backs) and just do a home and home for each team and a conference-less playoffs, especially since the west has been so dominant for so long. 8-12 teams, an upset below the 4-5 matchup almost never happens, so trim the fat.
Baseball's season is way too long. It should be an event sport, for weekends and holidays as I've said so many times. Even the most dedicated fan can't sit there and watch 162+ games for 6 months straight, can they? They never go out with friends or spouse, attend their child's soccer game, etc...? Even if so, they're the exception to the rule as most people, especially most grown people, don't have the time or interest for that.
The NFL, by accident or nature of the sport, has it down pat. The season, from the preseason to Super Bowl, lasts 6 months and the regular season is four months, with clusters of games every weekend and only one game per team 16 out of 17/20 weeks before the Super Bowl.
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RE: [MLB] Someone is gonna be beyond heartbroken tomorrow...
(11-03-2016 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote: that's funny. last 15 years the Rays, Rockies, Astros, Marlins Rangers, Tigers, White Sox, Angels, D'Backs have all been in the World Series. And Orioles, Reds, Dodgers have been in LCS.
And compared to the NFL- it is extreme parity. Last 14 years how many AFC teams made the Super Bowl? 5 of them. Only 14 teams have been in the Super Bowl last 14 years.... With most of them the same teams. With New England a prohibitive favorite again this year- but if not them likely either Pittsburgh or Denver(both repeats). And unless Dallas or Minnesota goes- another repeat for NFC. If NE goes this year, that'd be 7/15 years NE in the Super Bowl. Some parity.
compare to baseball same time period- so since 2002 season. 17 teams. With only 3 teams in those 15 years going more than twice.
Just because they've been to the World Series doesn't mean they've been consistently relevant. For a good 10-15 years there, the same few teams (Braves, Cardinals, Yankees, Red Sox, Indians, etc...) dominated baseball and others either made the WS as a fluke or as a 1-hit wonder type (Marlins, Padres, Rockies, Astros, Rays). Some were non-existent for long stretches (Pirates, Reds, Brewers, Expos/Nationals, Royals, etc...). Until recently, it was impossible to compete against the Yankees and Red Sox in the AL East.
Baseball has solid parity but it has had its heavyweight and lightweight class like any other sport. Finally, in this context, the Patriots are just comparable to the Yankees. The Yanks have been just as dominant over the last 20 years as the Patriots.
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