2) Clemson
7) Louisville
19) VT
21) UNC
22) FSU

1)Bama
3) Michigan
4) Texas A&M
I was telling a few people Texas A&M would be liked in the eyes of the committee but over Washington?

Pretty sure if Washington wins out, especially during championship week when A&M would be sitting idle, they'll jump up to 4

(11-01-2016 07:19 PM)copycat Wrote:  Pretty sure if Washington wins out, especially during championship week when A&M would be sitting idle, they'll jump up to 4

They will but I still can't believe they placed them 5th

The ACC teams are ranked in the order of who won head-to-head:
2) Clemson > Louisville > FSU
7) Louisville > FSU
19) VT > UNC
21) UNC > FSU
22) FSU

A&M & Auburn are ranked to high. FSU is ranked to low.

There will be massive shifts in the rankings in the next couple of weeks. Frankly I think FSU, Louisville, Clemson, UNC, and VT (even though I don't want this) are going to win out. FSU, UNC, VT will make a slow trek up the rankings as the month progresses.

(11-01-2016 07:28 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 07:19 PM)copycat Wrote:  Pretty sure if Washington wins out, especially during championship week when A&M would be sitting idle, they'll jump up to 4

They will but I still can't believe they placed them 5th

It gives them something to talk about, which makes me wonder if that isn't the entire point. Basketball doesn't bother with a weekly tv show.

(11-01-2016 07:19 PM)copycat Wrote:  Pretty sure if Washington wins out, especially during championship week when A&M would be sitting idle, they'll jump up to 4

Still, A&M > Louisville, which surprises me.

(11-01-2016 09:08 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  A&M & Auburn are ranked to high. FSU is ranked to low.

1. Alabama (#7 SOS)
2. Clemson (#18 SOS)
3. Michigan (# 49 SOS)
4. Texas A&M (#23 SOS)
5. Washington (#69 SOS)
6. Ohio State (# 33 SOS)
7. Louisville (#52 SOS)
8. Wisconsin (# 3 SOS)
9. Auburn (#9 SOS)
10. Nebraska (# 59 SOS)
11. Florida (#66 SOS)
12. Penn State (#29 SOS)
13. LSU (#28 SOS)
14. Oklahoma (#22 SOS)
15. Colorado (#25 SOS)
16. Utah (#41 SOS)
17. Baylor (#97 SOS)
18. Oklahoma State (#62 SOS)
19. Virginia Tech (#40 SOS)
20. West Virginia ( #31 SOS)
21. North Carolina (#21 SOS)
22. Florida State (#4 SOS)
23. Western Michigan (#100 SOS)
24. Boise State (#67 SOS)
25. Washington State (#34 SOS)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

I'm sure SOS played a major part in these rankings. They also look at overall wins/losses, how a team looks right now and so on. There are 4 teams with a SOS above 49 in the top 10. So Louisville is to be rewarded for being 7-1 with that schedule and Auburn is to be punished for playing a top 10 schedule? We're about where we should be. We have been dominating and this is not the same Auburn team that started the season 1-2. As soon as Gus stopped doing the dumbest things I have ever seen on offense we have avged 48 ppg to go along with a top 10-12 defense.

Florida State is 5-3 with a loss to UNC @ home. So FSU is supposed to be above a 6-2 UNC team that beat them head to head? Or should UNC be ranked higher too? These rankings are right where they should be as of today. Which is all they are based off. FSU's best win is against a 4-4 Miami team.

Louisville's best win is against a 5-3 FSU team who's best win is against a 4-4 Miami team. Not trying to be disrespectful but there is a method to the committee's madness.

Last seasons playoff teams:

1. Clemson- 3 top 25 wins
2. Alabama- 6 top 25 wins 1 top 25 loss
3. Michigan State- 4 top 25 wins
4. Oklahoma- 5 top 25 wins

Yet we're supposed to reward teams today for beating 1 and playing 2? It doesn't matter if your 12-0 if you beat up on the bottom half of college football and didn't challenge yourself. They are looking for the 4 best teams. The way you prove that is to beat other top teams, and to beat your weaker opponents solidly. (Style points)

As everyone has said though these rankings will change. Washington's SOS will go up. Louisville plays 2 more quality opponents, Auburn and LSU still have Alabama left on the schedule, Ohio State and Michigan play each other, Nebraska has a lot to go through as does Penn State. There is still so much football left to play.

We discussed this on the SEC board and we really thought Washington was gonna be #4 but we all agreed (You as well Len) That both Washington and Louisville schedules would possibly hold them back initially.

(11-02-2016 02:25 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 09:08 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  A&M & Auburn are ranked to high. FSU is ranked to low.

1. Alabama (#7 SOS)
2. Clemson (#18 SOS)
3. Michigan (# 49 SOS)
4. Texas A&M (#23 SOS)
5. Washington (#69 SOS)
6. Ohio State (# 33 SOS)
7. Louisville (#52 SOS)
8. Wisconsin (# 3 SOS)
9. Auburn (#9 SOS)
10. Nebraska (# 59 SOS)
11. Florida (#66 SOS)
12. Penn State (#29 SOS)
13. LSU (#28 SOS)
14. Oklahoma (#22 SOS)
15. Colorado (#25 SOS)
16. Utah (#41 SOS)
17. Baylor (#97 SOS)
18. Oklahoma State (#62 SOS)
19. Virginia Tech (#40 SOS)
20. West Virginia ( #31 SOS)
21. North Carolina (#21 SOS)
22. Florida State (#4 SOS)
23. Western Michigan (#100 SOS)
24. Boise State (#67 SOS)
25. Washington State (#34 SOS)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

I'm sure SOS played a major part in these rankings. They also look at overall wins/losses, how a team looks right now and so on. There are 4 teams with a SOS above 49 in the top 10. So Louisville is to be rewarded for being 7-1 with that schedule and Auburn is to be punished for playing a top 10 schedule? We're about where we should be. We have been dominating and this is not the same Auburn team that started the season 1-2. As soon as Gus stopped doing the dumbest things I have ever seen on offense we have avged 48 ppg to go along with a top 10-12 defense.

Florida State is 5-3 with a loss to UNC @ home. So FSU is supposed to be above a 6-2 UNC team that beat them head to head? Or should UNC be ranked higher too? These rankings are right where they should be as of today. Which is all they are based off. FSU's best win is against a 4-4 Miami team.

Louisville's best win is against a 5-3 FSU team who's best win is against a 4-4 Miami team. Not trying to be disrespectful but there is a method to the committee's madness.

Last seasons playoff teams:

1. Clemson- 3 top 25 wins
2. Alabama- 6 top 25 wins 1 top 25 loss
3. Michigan State- 4 top 25 wins
4. Oklahoma- 5 top 25 wins

Yet we're supposed to reward teams today for beating 1 and playing 2? It doesn't matter if your 12-0 if you beat up on the bottom half of college football and didn't challenge yourself. They are looking for the 4 best teams. The way you prove that is to beat other top teams, and to beat your weaker opponents solidly. (Style points)

As everyone has said though these rankings will change. Washington's SOS will go up. Louisville plays 2 more quality opponents, Auburn and LSU still have Alabama left on the schedule, Ohio State and Michigan play each other, Nebraska has a lot to go through as does Penn State. There is still so much football left to play.

We discussed this on the SEC board and we really thought Washington was gonna be #4 but we all agreed (You as well Len) That both Washington and Louisville schedules would possibly hold them back initially.

Did I say that Louisville &/or Washington are ranked to low? I don't have a problem with their rankings. In my opinion though Auburn & A&M are ranked to high & FSU is ranked to low. A&M is top 7 but not top 4. Auburn wasn't as good as they are now when A&M beat them & they lost by 19 to Bama. I would put Ohio St at #4 before A&M since they beat Oklahoma & Wisconsin. Penn St is looking good now to. I would put Auburn at 14 & move the others up. Auburn is looking good now but you can't forget how they started the season. I would drop Baylor, Oklahoma St & WV down & move VT, NC & FSU up. SOS is an important metric but so is the eyeball test & that's what my eyeballs are telling me. Also looking at SOS, Michigan is only 3 spots ahead of Louisville but they have Ohio State coming up. I'm not talking about massive changes, just about 5 spots. Florida is another team ranked to high having 0 quality wins & feasting on the weak east while losing to Tenn. No way Fla is top 15.

Louisville at 7 is understandable because of SOS. That's something that Jurich needs to work on & it would be nice to get some help from the ACC by switching our rival to VT instead of Virginia. Having NC St, WF, BC, Cuse & Virginia on our permanent conference schedule doesn't help. We need a third solid ACC team & VT is also our closest conference member.

1. I didn't realize the Florida Gators' SoS was that weak.
2. It's hard to rank FSU any higher when they are 1-3 against ranked teams; if they beat Florida, they will move up.

The team ranked #7 in the initial playoff ranking made the playoffs both years. Al Davis: Just Win Baby!

(11-02-2016 03:15 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:25 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 09:08 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  A&M & Auburn are ranked to high. FSU is ranked to low.

1. Alabama (#7 SOS)
2. Clemson (#18 SOS)
3. Michigan (# 49 SOS)
4. Texas A&M (#23 SOS)
5. Washington (#69 SOS)
6. Ohio State (# 33 SOS)
7. Louisville (#52 SOS)
8. Wisconsin (# 3 SOS)
9. Auburn (#9 SOS)
10. Nebraska (# 59 SOS)
11. Florida (#66 SOS)
12. Penn State (#29 SOS)
13. LSU (#28 SOS)
14. Oklahoma (#22 SOS)
15. Colorado (#25 SOS)
16. Utah (#41 SOS)
17. Baylor (#97 SOS)
18. Oklahoma State (#62 SOS)
19. Virginia Tech (#40 SOS)
20. West Virginia ( #31 SOS)
21. North Carolina (#21 SOS)
22. Florida State (#4 SOS)
23. Western Michigan (#100 SOS)
24. Boise State (#67 SOS)
25. Washington State (#34 SOS)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

I'm sure SOS played a major part in these rankings. They also look at overall wins/losses, how a team looks right now and so on. There are 4 teams with a SOS above 49 in the top 10. So Louisville is to be rewarded for being 7-1 with that schedule and Auburn is to be punished for playing a top 10 schedule? We're about where we should be. We have been dominating and this is not the same Auburn team that started the season 1-2. As soon as Gus stopped doing the dumbest things I have ever seen on offense we have avged 48 ppg to go along with a top 10-12 defense.

Florida State is 5-3 with a loss to UNC @ home. So FSU is supposed to be above a 6-2 UNC team that beat them head to head? Or should UNC be ranked higher too? These rankings are right where they should be as of today. Which is all they are based off. FSU's best win is against a 4-4 Miami team.

Louisville's best win is against a 5-3 FSU team who's best win is against a 4-4 Miami team. Not trying to be disrespectful but there is a method to the committee's madness.

Last seasons playoff teams:

1. Clemson- 3 top 25 wins
2. Alabama- 6 top 25 wins 1 top 25 loss
3. Michigan State- 4 top 25 wins
4. Oklahoma- 5 top 25 wins

Yet we're supposed to reward teams today for beating 1 and playing 2? It doesn't matter if your 12-0 if you beat up on the bottom half of college football and didn't challenge yourself. They are looking for the 4 best teams. The way you prove that is to beat other top teams, and to beat your weaker opponents solidly. (Style points)

As everyone has said though these rankings will change. Washington's SOS will go up. Louisville plays 2 more quality opponents, Auburn and LSU still have Alabama left on the schedule, Ohio State and Michigan play each other, Nebraska has a lot to go through as does Penn State. There is still so much football left to play.

We discussed this on the SEC board and we really thought Washington was gonna be #4 but we all agreed (You as well Len) That both Washington and Louisville schedules would possibly hold them back initially.

Did I say that Louisville &/or Washington are ranked to low? I don't have a problem with their rankings. In my opinion though Auburn & A&M are ranked to high & FSU is ranked to low. A&M is top 7 but not top 4. Auburn wasn't as good as they are now when A&M beat them & they lost by 19 to Bama. I would put Ohio St at #4 before A&M since they beat Oklahoma & Wisconsin. Penn St is looking good now to. I would put Auburn at 14 & move the others up. Auburn is looking good now but you can't forget how they started the season. I would drop Baylor, Oklahoma St & WV down & move VT, NC & FSU up. SOS is an important metric but so is the eyeball test & that's what my eyeballs are telling me. Also looking at SOS, Michigan is only 3 spots ahead of Louisville but they have Ohio State coming up. I'm not talking about massive changes, just about 5 spots. Florida is another team ranked to high having 0 quality wins & feasting on the weak east while losing to Tenn. No way Fla is top 15.

Louisville at 7 is understandable because of SOS. That's something that Jurich needs to work on & it would be nice to get some help from the ACC by switching our rival to VT instead of Virginia. Having NC St, WF, BC, Cuse & Virginia on our permanent conference schedule doesn't help. We need a third solid ACC team & VT is also our closest conference member.

Yes, and that opens up a whole new line of what ifs. Would Louisville be 7-1 with a top 10 schedule? What about some of these other Big 10 teams? My point is, the committee ranked the teams based off of a bunch of credintials up to this point.

A&M has a solid resume with their only loss @ Bama. There are a bunch of things that could change between now and the end of the CCGs.

How do you personally validate Louisville at #7? I use Louisville as an example because it's your team, which I why I brought it up in the first place. You are quick to say Auburn who has 2 top 25 wins and 2 top 4 losses is to high, but you say nothing about your team who has played only 2 top 25 teams total with 1 win and 1 loss. The rest of your schedule is weak. (Which you admitted in another discussion)

Like I said, I am not disrespecting Louisville, but I wanna see what your true take is in comparison without bringing other teams into the conversation.

Compare Auburn and Louisvilles resumes and then explain to me how you are right at #7 and we are to high at #9.

The rest of my comment was for discussion purposes. Which the SOS info should help with this discussion overall.

IMO, Auburn has surprised in a good way this season, and deserve to be Top 10.

OTOH, based on the "eye test" I'd say Louisville is deserving, but they haven't had many opportunities to impress (in hindsight, scheduling Charlotte and @Marshall in the first 4 games probably wasn't the best plan).

(11-02-2016 11:06 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 03:15 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:25 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 09:08 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  A&M & Auburn are ranked to high. FSU is ranked to low.

1. Alabama (#7 SOS)
2. Clemson (#18 SOS)
3. Michigan (# 49 SOS)
4. Texas A&M (#23 SOS)
5. Washington (#69 SOS)
6. Ohio State (# 33 SOS)
7. Louisville (#52 SOS)
8. Wisconsin (# 3 SOS)
9. Auburn (#9 SOS)
10. Nebraska (# 59 SOS)
11. Florida (#66 SOS)
12. Penn State (#29 SOS)
13. LSU (#28 SOS)
14. Oklahoma (#22 SOS)
15. Colorado (#25 SOS)
16. Utah (#41 SOS)
17. Baylor (#97 SOS)
18. Oklahoma State (#62 SOS)
19. Virginia Tech (#40 SOS)
20. West Virginia ( #31 SOS)
21. North Carolina (#21 SOS)
22. Florida State (#4 SOS)
23. Western Michigan (#100 SOS)
24. Boise State (#67 SOS)
25. Washington State (#34 SOS)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

I'm sure SOS played a major part in these rankings. They also look at overall wins/losses, how a team looks right now and so on. There are 4 teams with a SOS above 49 in the top 10. So Louisville is to be rewarded for being 7-1 with that schedule and Auburn is to be punished for playing a top 10 schedule? We're about where we should be. We have been dominating and this is not the same Auburn team that started the season 1-2. As soon as Gus stopped doing the dumbest things I have ever seen on offense we have avged 48 ppg to go along with a top 10-12 defense.

Florida State is 5-3 with a loss to UNC @ home. So FSU is supposed to be above a 6-2 UNC team that beat them head to head? Or should UNC be ranked higher too? These rankings are right where they should be as of today. Which is all they are based off. FSU's best win is against a 4-4 Miami team.

Louisville's best win is against a 5-3 FSU team who's best win is against a 4-4 Miami team. Not trying to be disrespectful but there is a method to the committee's madness.

Last seasons playoff teams:

1. Clemson- 3 top 25 wins
2. Alabama- 6 top 25 wins 1 top 25 loss
3. Michigan State- 4 top 25 wins
4. Oklahoma- 5 top 25 wins

Yet we're supposed to reward teams today for beating 1 and playing 2? It doesn't matter if your 12-0 if you beat up on the bottom half of college football and didn't challenge yourself. They are looking for the 4 best teams. The way you prove that is to beat other top teams, and to beat your weaker opponents solidly. (Style points)

As everyone has said though these rankings will change. Washington's SOS will go up. Louisville plays 2 more quality opponents, Auburn and LSU still have Alabama left on the schedule, Ohio State and Michigan play each other, Nebraska has a lot to go through as does Penn State. There is still so much football left to play.

We discussed this on the SEC board and we really thought Washington was gonna be #4 but we all agreed (You as well Len) That both Washington and Louisville schedules would possibly hold them back initially.

Did I say that Louisville &/or Washington are ranked to low? I don't have a problem with their rankings. In my opinion though Auburn & A&M are ranked to high & FSU is ranked to low. A&M is top 7 but not top 4. Auburn wasn't as good as they are now when A&M beat them & they lost by 19 to Bama. I would put Ohio St at #4 before A&M since they beat Oklahoma & Wisconsin. Penn St is looking good now to. I would put Auburn at 14 & move the others up. Auburn is looking good now but you can't forget how they started the season. I would drop Baylor, Oklahoma St & WV down & move VT, NC & FSU up. SOS is an important metric but so is the eyeball test & that's what my eyeballs are telling me. Also looking at SOS, Michigan is only 3 spots ahead of Louisville but they have Ohio State coming up. I'm not talking about massive changes, just about 5 spots. Florida is another team ranked to high having 0 quality wins & feasting on the weak east while losing to Tenn. No way Fla is top 15.

Louisville at 7 is understandable because of SOS. That's something that Jurich needs to work on & it would be nice to get some help from the ACC by switching our rival to VT instead of Virginia. Having NC St, WF, BC, Cuse & Virginia on our permanent conference schedule doesn't help. We need a third solid ACC team & VT is also our closest conference member.

Yes, and that opens up a whole new line of what ifs. Would Louisville be 7-1 with a top 10 schedule? What about some of these other Big 10 teams? My point is, the committee ranked the teams based off of a bunch of credintials up to this point.

A&M has a solid resume with their only loss @ Bama. There are a bunch of things that could change between now and the end of the CCGs.

How do you personally validate Louisville at #7? I use Louisville as an example because it's your team, which I why I brought it up in the first place. You are quick to say Auburn who has 2 top 25 wins and 2 top 4 losses is to high, but you say nothing about your team who has played only 2 top 25 teams total with 1 win and 1 loss. The rest of your schedule is weak. (Which you admitted in another discussion)

Like I said, I am not disrespecting Louisville, but I wanna see what your true take is in comparison without bringing other teams into the conversation.

Compare Auburn and Louisvilles resumes and then explain to me how you are right at #7 and we are to high at #9.

The rest of my comment was for discussion purposes. Which the SOS info should help with this discussion overall.

Auburn best wins are against a team with an interim coach currently & an Arkansas team that has beaten TCU, an average Ole Miss & 3 average Joe's. Auburn is playing great now but struggled early & that should hold them back at this point in time. I think Louisville win over FSU is better than Auburn best win. Louisville has also looked like a top 10 team this year despite struggling with Duke & Virginia. Leading Heisman candidate & a strong defense. Which top 25 team has Auburn or A&M beaten by 43?Auburn lost to A&M that lost to Bama by 19. What is the difference between this A&M team this year & the one that Louisville beat in the bowl game last year that SEC fans said were terrible? Granted they have had time to work with their QB but the defense is about the same.

I know Auburn alums & am an Auburn fan. They are my favorite SEC team but I'm trying to be impartial. Actually the way I see it is that you have the top 3 & from there there isn't much separation on down. There's a lot of parity this year. I agree more with the AP poll, maybe some slight tweaking at the top.

Am only going to say this; Louisville lost to the number 2 team Clemson in an extremely good game. Then you have Ohio State lose to an unranked Penn State; how in the hell does OSU get ranked ahead of U of L with the notably best college football player...Nothing has changed since the BCS...Then you have a no ranked Penn St move up to nearly the Top 10..How is A&M loss to Bama better than U of L's loss to Clemson? That committee is bias..JS

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(11-02-2016 12:21 PM)jtwvu87 Wrote:  Am only going to say this; Louisville lost to the number 2 team Clemson in an extremely good game. Then you have Ohio State lose to an unranked Penn State; how in the hell does OSU get ranked ahead of U of L with the notably best college football player...Nothing has changed since the BCS...Then you have a no ranked Penn St move up to nearly the Top 10..How is A&M loss to Bama better than U of L's loss to Clemson? That committee is bias..JS

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BCS used to go by who you lost to... CFP focuses more on who you beat.

(11-02-2016 12:21 PM)jtwvu87 Wrote:  Am only going to say this; Louisville lost to the number 2 team Clemson in an extremely good game. Then you have Ohio State lose to an unranked Penn State; how in the hell does OSU get ranked ahead of U of L with the notably best college football player...Nothing has changed since the BCS...Then you have a no ranked Penn St move up to nearly the Top 10..How is A&M loss to Bama better than U of L's loss to Clemson? That committee is bias..JS

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Not to discount anything you said but Ohio St does have wins @Oklahoma & @Wisconsin.

I know everyone has been sitting on the edge of their seats for this so here it comes,, the top 25 according to Lenvillecards!

1 Alabama
2 Clemson
3 Michigan
4 Washington
5 Ohio State
6 Louisville
7 A&M
8 Wisconsin
9 Nebraska
10 Florida
11 WV
12 Auburn
13 Oklahoma
14 LSU
15 Penn St
16 Utah
17 Baylor
18 NC
19 FSU
20 Oklahoma St
21 VT
22 Colorado
23 WMU
24 Boise St
25 Houston

All for show. And ratings.