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(11-26-2016 03:03 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(11-25-2016 03:29 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  My Pirates are going cheap again

Take good care of Sean Rodriguez for me, Good Owl.

Just saw this--not real sure the thinking here--he is listed as 1B, but also utility. Are we thinking mostly bench/pinch hitter here, or can he be a decent second baseman until Ozzy Albies is ready?

Would appreciate more insight on him and exactly what he does that you'll miss, HOOD, but yeah, we'll take care of him if you think that highly of him.

Sorry about missing this for a week.

He mostly plays first base and in the outfield. He has decent power and great passion. He can definitely hold down second base. A type of player that every NL team needs.
12-03-2016 05:57 PM
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(12-02-2016 03:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  looks like Nats may acquire Andrew McCutchen from the Pirates. Would be a huge upgrade- he would be replacing Danny Espinoza who would be non-tendered.

Talk about a good lineup then... Werth, McCutchen, Harper in the OF, Rendon, Turner, Murphy, and the 1 black hole in Zimmerman, and then catcher. Depending on the answers for Zimmerman and Catcher, that's a great lineup. 1-6 probably among the best in baseball....

Our owner has gone cheap again.
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(12-02-2016 02:27 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  ...Maybe a couple of smaller signings (Rich Hill?)...

Looks like their close on this. Hearing 3 yrs $46MM. It's the right price I think. He's a #1 caliber pitcher but he's old and durability is a question. Dodgers desperately need a solid #2 starter. To avoid the big luxury tax penalty though, this is just about the only notable FA signing they'll be able to do. Any other 'big' acquisitions (2B) will have to be through trades that don't bring in a lot more salary than is leaving. Starting to feel like 2017 could be a 'treading water' type of year.
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Carlos Beltran to the Astros. I wonder if the fanboys will still boo him every time he touches the ball and comes to bat.
12-04-2016 01:36 AM
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(12-03-2016 11:13 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 02:27 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  ...Maybe a couple of smaller signings (Rich Hill?)...

Looks like their close on this. Hearing 3 yrs $46MM. It's the right price I think. He's a #1 caliber pitcher but he's old and durability is a question. Dodgers desperately need a solid #2 starter. To avoid the big luxury tax penalty though, this is just about the only notable FA signing they'll be able to do. Any other 'big' acquisitions (2B) will have to be through trades that don't bring in a lot more salary than is leaving. Starting to feel like 2017 could be a 'treading water' type of year.

the only problem that the Dodgers have is they're already right up at the tax threshold. And even now for next year, are sitting at around 145 million before any arbitration(estimated to be around 37 million). So that would be about 182 million.
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(12-04-2016 02:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 11:13 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 02:27 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  ...Maybe a couple of smaller signings (Rich Hill?)...

Looks like their close on this. Hearing 3 yrs $46MM. It's the right price I think. He's a #1 caliber pitcher but he's old and durability is a question. Dodgers desperately need a solid #2 starter. To avoid the big luxury tax penalty though, this is just about the only notable FA signing they'll be able to do. Any other 'big' acquisitions (2B) will have to be through trades that don't bring in a lot more salary than is leaving. Starting to feel like 2017 could be a 'treading water' type of year.

the only problem that the Dodgers have is they're already right up at the tax threshold. And even now for next year, are sitting at around 145 million before any arbitration(estimated to be around 37 million). So that would be about 182 million.

For this year anyway, it sounds like they're ok with the luxury tax and the first 12% surcharge (up to $235MM). We're hearing they're just trying to avoid the 45% surcharge. It can certainly be done, but I'm not sure they can be a division contender of they do. I keep hearing they're negotiating with Jansen and Turner, for example, but that's got to be lip service if they really are trying to stay under that top tax threshold.
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(12-03-2016 05:57 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(11-26-2016 03:03 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(11-25-2016 03:29 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  My Pirates are going cheap again

Take good care of Sean Rodriguez for me, Good Owl.

Just saw this--not real sure the thinking here--he is listed as 1B, but also utility. Are we thinking mostly bench/pinch hitter here, or can he be a decent second baseman until Ozzy Albies is ready?

Would appreciate more insight on him and exactly what he does that you'll miss, HOOD, but yeah, we'll take care of him if you think that highly of him.

Sorry about missing this for a week.

He mostly plays first base and in the outfield. He has decent power and great passion. He can definitely hold down second base. A type of player that every NL team needs.

Thank you.
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Sounds like the stove is finally heating up at the Winter Meetings. Dodgers stuff: Hearing Miami has offered Jansen 5 yrs, $80MM. That's a huge contract for a closer but I'm not surprised. All but closes the door on the Dodgers' chances to resign him. Dodgers have piqued Twins' interest in a Dozier trade. 2 yrs, $15MM left on his contract. wRC+ of 132 and ISO of .278 in 2016. That's gonna take some top level prospects. Still reading some wishful thinking about Turner but I can't figure out how the math works if they're going to keep him AND stay under the top tax threshold.

In other news, Shohei Otani is set to be posted next year. If you haven't heard of him, he's basically Japan's Babe Ruth, before he went to the Yankees. OPS of 1.004 and ERA of 1.86 in 2016. He's 22.

ETA: News just out confirming Rich Hill signing. 3yrs/$48MM. Hard to imagine he was probably the best free agent starter available. Slim pickin's out there.

ETA2: Melancon to Giants! That's a big swing. Fills a big need for Giants; leaves a gap for Nationals.

ETA3: Bryce Harper's next contract could be 10+ yrs and $400+MM, and Nats are beginning to prepare for life post Harper. (credibility alert: Bob Nightengale reporting)
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(12-02-2016 03:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  looks like Nats may acquire Andrew McCutchen from the Pirates. Would be a huge upgrade- he would be replacing Danny Espinoza who would be non-tendered.

Talk about a good lineup then... Werth, McCutchen, Harper in the OF, Rendon, Turner, Murphy, and the 1 black hole in Zimmerman, and then catcher. Depending on the answers for Zimmerman and Catcher, that's a great lineup. 1-6 probably among the best in baseball....

Dodgers are looking at McCutchen too. At 2yrs/$30MM remaining, he's a relative bargain.
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Unless the Dodgers are willing to go into that high tax department- I don't see it. Talking that Turner may get a 5 year 85 million deal which would be huge. That would push them over 200 million before all the arbitrations etc.
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