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(11-25-2016 03:29 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  My Pirates are going cheap again

Take good care of Sean Rodriguez for me, Good Owl.

Just saw this--not real sure the thinking here--he is listed as 1B, but also utility. Are we thinking mostly bench/pinch hitter here, or can he be a decent second baseman until Ozzy Albies is ready?

Would appreciate more insight on him and exactly what he does that you'll miss, HOOD, but yeah, we'll take care of him if you think that highly of him.
11-26-2016 03:03 AM
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RE: MLB 2016-17 Hot Stove Thread
Owners just caved on international draft. Hopefully that will get us to a new CBA and no lockout.
11-29-2016 12:47 PM
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RE: MLB 2016-17 Hot Stove Thread
they agreed on a new CBA:
Among the changes agreed to in the new labor deal, according to sources:
The luxury-tax threshold will jump from $189 million to $195 million initially, then gradually increase to $210 million in the final year of the agreement.
Teams that exceed the threshold will pay similar tax rates to the current deal unless they go way over the threshold, in which case their tax rate could jump to as high as 90 percent.
Teams signing a premium free agent will still be subject to draft-pick compensation. Teams over the luxury tax threshold lose a 2nd- & 5th-round pick. Teams under the threshold lose a 3rd-round pick.
Instead of an international draft, each team will have a hard cap on total bonuses it can give to foreign-born players.
Rosters will remain at 25 players before Sept. 1 and remain at 40 after Sept. 1.
The labor agreement is a five-year deal, covering the 2017-2021 seasons.

it'll be interesting to see what the hard cap is for foreign-born players.
11-30-2016 10:01 PM
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RE: MLB 2016-17 Hot Stove Thread
more nuggets....
all star game no longer linked to home field in WS. that will go to pennant winner with most regular season wins.
minimum DL stay down from 15 to 10.
ban smokeless tobacco for all new big leaguers.

If the Dodgers don't get their 2017 payroll under $235 million, it appears as if their tax rate would rise to an astounding 92 (yes, ninety-two) percent as a third-time offender subject to a 50 percent tax plus a 42 percent "surtax" for being $40 million over the threshold. Wow. Two different agents used the term "soft cap" on Wednesday night to describe the effect of a rate that high. But no matter what you call it, it's the strongest deterrent to spending to ever appear in a baseball labor agreement.

Starting in 2018, the season will start four days earlier, so that four extra off days can be included in the schedule. And there are new provisions requiring more teams to play day games when one or both teams face long flights after the game.
12-01-2016 09:48 AM
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RE: MLB 2016-17 Hot Stove Thread
Glad to know the winter meetings will proceed (wouldn't have without new CBA), because I need the Dodgers to do a few things (2nd Base!!!).

Thrilled with the all star game decision. Can you believe this is the first time this approach has been taken?

Lots of analysis re Dodgers and $235MM payroll. 92% is absolutely monstrous. General feeling is that Dodgers can (and will) get under for 2017. One reason is because they are unlikely to re-sign Jansen. And expectation is that payroll will decrease again for 2018 as others come off the books (Crawford, Ethier).
12-01-2016 06:59 PM
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RE: MLB 2016-17 Hot Stove Thread
Here's the problem they have. With Kershaw, Gonzalez, Ethier, McCarthy, Kazmir, Puig, Ryu, and Maeda they have a combined payroll already of 171.6 million dollars(along with all the dead money still on the books). They might be able to get down some, but what kind of team would they have?
12-02-2016 12:32 AM
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(12-02-2016 12:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Here's the problem they have. With Kershaw, Gonzalez, Ethier, McCarthy, Kazmir, Puig, Ryu, and Maeda they have a combined payroll already of 171.6 million dollars(along with all the dead money still on the books). They might be able to get down some, but what kind of team would they have?

No doubt 2017 is going to be a challenge. They're actually closer to $164MM (includes Maeda bonuses). Add another $16MM for arbitration eligible guys (MLB Trade Rumors numbers) gets to $180MM. Then another $20MM or so for 40 man roster benefits and minimum salary players. So $200MM-ish, leaving $35MM for free agents. Taking a second look, that means not only no Jansen but probably no Turner as well. Maybe a couple of smaller signings (Rich Hill?) and a trade to get a 2nd baseman (that won't add to payroll, presumably). But it's gonna be tight! I think 2018 will have a lot more room to move, and 2019 even more so as more guys drop off the books.
12-02-2016 02:27 PM
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RE: MLB 2016-17 Hot Stove Thread
(12-02-2016 02:27 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 12:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Here's the problem they have. With Kershaw, Gonzalez, Ethier, McCarthy, Kazmir, Puig, Ryu, and Maeda they have a combined payroll already of 171.6 million dollars(along with all the dead money still on the books). They might be able to get down some, but what kind of team would they have?

No doubt 2017 is going to be a challenge. They're actually closer to $164MM (includes Maeda bonuses). Add another $16MM for arbitration eligible guys (MLB Trade Rumors numbers) gets to $180MM. Then another $20MM or so for 40 man roster benefits and minimum salary players. So $200MM-ish, leaving $35MM for free agents. Taking a second look, that means not only no Jansen but probably no Turner as well. Maybe a couple of smaller signings (Rich Hill?) and a trade to get a 2nd baseman (that won't add to payroll, presumably). But it's gonna be tight! I think 2018 will have a lot more room to move, and 2019 even more so as more guys drop off the books.

The number I got was from Baseball-Reference.
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RE: MLB 2016-17 Hot Stove Thread
looks like Nats may acquire Andrew McCutchen from the Pirates. Would be a huge upgrade- he would be replacing Danny Espinoza who would be non-tendered.

Talk about a good lineup then... Werth, McCutchen, Harper in the OF, Rendon, Turner, Murphy, and the 1 black hole in Zimmerman, and then catcher. Depending on the answers for Zimmerman and Catcher, that's a great lineup. 1-6 probably among the best in baseball....
12-02-2016 03:23 PM
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RE: MLB 2016-17 Hot Stove Thread
And Nats just acquired Derek Norris for Pedro Avila. So Nats have reaquired 2 of the 4 guys they dealt to get Gio Gonzalez.

I like the move. Avila 19 yr old pitcher who is likely 3-4 years away from the bigs best case. Played A ball this year with a 3.97 ERA. 92 k's in 93 ip. 10 homers. So not exactly a high level prospect...

Norris wasn't good but you think it could have been just a bad year. His OPS in the prior 3 years were .754, .763, and .709. This year was .583.
12-02-2016 05:19 PM
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