(12-08-2016 07:01 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 04:34 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  ahem, bump. Please click link!!!

I hate the pop-ups, but the map is not bad, so I put it here if you don't mind.

That map has Indiana all wrong. It's not even close.

Indiana has Indianapolis, Indy's southern suburbs, Bloomington, and much of the rural hilly country in the South (most of the state south of the line from Bloomington to Columbus IN). IU's region is about 50% of the population, although there's a heavy dose of Purdue fans in this region.

Notre Dame has South Bend/Mishawaka. And it splits The Region (i.e. Chicago suburbs) with Purdue. (ND fans are actually more common in Ohio and Illinois than they are in Indiana outside of South Bend - Indiana is the least Catholic state in the union outside the South).

Cincinnati and Louisville have suburban counties outside their respective cities. It's about 5 counties each (280k people for UL and 150k for UC). Fun Fact: Milan High School, the inspiration for the movie "Hoosiers," is only 45 minutes from the University of Cincinnati campus and is at the boundary between UC & Purdue.

Ball State has the city limits of Muncie.

Purdue has everything else. It's by far the biggest land area (about 2/3 of the state), but maybe only 25% of the population. Purdue is the ag school, so it dominates anywhere where full-time farmers dominate. Also Lafayette, Ft. Wayne, and the Northeastern suburbs of Indy (some of which are only 30 min from Lafayette).

Purdue's region is the most solid - there's few non-Purdue fans in most of rural Indiana (of course other than IU's region in the South). Also most non-Purdue regions have Purdue as the 2nd most popular team (other than Louisville's region). Overall Purdue's fanbase is about the same size as IU's fanbase.

Dawg, also since you're looking comments:

Michigan has much of the Toledo suburbs, not Ohio State. Toledoans (like Cincinnatians) tend to resent Ohio State.

Also I suspect that Eastern Idaho and Southwestern Wyoming are part of BYU country. Most counties in that region are over 50% Mormon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LDS_P...n_2000.PNG

Ok, I will make those modifications also.

(12-17-2016 08:21 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
Ok, I will make those modifications also.

California is interesting as you can see few parts of the state have a strong college affiliation at all. Tying it back to the Pac-12 expansion thread you can see this in the quicklink sections of papers as you go down the valley: Redding, Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield. With the exception of Stockton, each of those cities is a 90 min drive down 99 North to South and not a Single PAC12 school on the banner in any of them.

(12-18-2016 10:43 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-17-2016 08:21 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
Ok, I will make those modifications also.

California is interesting as you can see few parts of the state have a strong college affiliation at all. Tying it back to the Pac-12 expansion thread you can see this in the quicklink sections of papers as you go down the valley: Redding, Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield. With the exception of Stockton, each of those cities is a 90 min drive down 99 North to South and not a Single PAC12 school on the banner in any of them.

You can see that??? From what I see, California does have some strong college affliation, but it's not so much with in-state teams and Pac 12 teams. Oregon claims a large part of California, but, when you look at how strongly the Ducks have recruited the area over the years, you can understand that. Kinda similar to Florida in that respect. And although I used to see the Pac 12 as the "west coast" version of the SEC a long time ago, I know now that I could not have been further from the truth. To be honest, the Pac 12 is more like a "west coast" version of the Big Ten or the ACC. Even though I can't stand him as an athlete, Stanford alumnus John Elway (former Denver Broncos quarterback and a nemesis of one of my favorite NFL teams, the Oakland Raiders) has made quite a name for himself and is one of the top ranking officials in the Denver Broncos organization. I think he even married a former Oakland Raiderette (I feel sorry for her some, but she must love him a lot if she married him). There's no way I'm going to believe that John Elway could have done that (become a top executive within the Denver Broncos organization) if he didn't graduate from Stanford or a similar Pac 12 school. Now, that's not to say that athletes don't get a good education from SEC and other conference schools. Emmitt Smith is a former Florida Gator as well as a former Dallas Cowboy and he has done quite well for himself also. But it's easier to get into an SEC, Big 12, MWC, etc. school on SAT & ACT scores than it is a Pac 12, ACC, or Big Ten school most of the time (There are exceptions to every rule. Arizona State's academics have been known to be somewhat behind the rest of the conference and the same could be said for Nebraska and Louisville as well, I'm sure. On the flip side of the coin, Florida's, Georgia's, Missouri's, and Texas A&M's academics are really good compared to the rest of the conference.).

The closest thing to an SEC-type conference on the West Coast is the MWC, unfortunately. But the MWC does serve Fresno in the Valley and San Diego as well.

However, in the state of California, just like in the states of New York, a lot of New England, Pennsylvania, etc., the NFL teams are top dog in the market, followed by the college teams. The South and parts of the West are really the only parts of the country where this is NOT true, but rather the NFL and the college teams share fans.

(12-18-2016 04:07 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 10:43 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-17-2016 08:21 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
Ok, I will make those modifications also.

California is interesting as you can see few parts of the state have a strong college affiliation at all. Tying it back to the Pac-12 expansion thread you can see this in the quicklink sections of papers as you go down the valley: Redding, Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield. With the exception of Stockton, each of those cities is a 90 min drive down 99 North to South and not a Single PAC12 school on the banner in any of them.

You can see that??? From what I see, California does have some strong college affliation, but it's not so much with in-state teams and Pac 12 teams. Oregon claims a large part of California, but, when you look at how strongly the Ducks have recruited the area over the years, you can understand that. Kinda similar to Florida in that respect. And although I used to see the Pac 12 as the "west coast" version of the SEC a long time ago, I know now that I could not have been further from the truth. To be honest, the Pac 12 is more like a "west coast" version of the Big Ten or the ACC. Even though I can't stand him as an athlete, Stanford alumnus John Elway (former Denver Broncos quarterback and a nemesis of one of my favorite NFL teams, the Oakland Raiders) has made quite a name for himself and is one of the top ranking officials in the Denver Broncos organization. I think he even married a former Oakland Raiderette (I feel sorry for her some, but she must love him a lot if she married him). There's no way I'm going to believe that John Elway could have done that (become a top executive within the Denver Broncos organization) if he didn't graduate from Stanford or a similar Pac 12 school. Now, that's not to say that athletes don't get a good education from SEC and other conference schools. Emmitt Smith is a former Florida Gator as well as a former Dallas Cowboy and he has done quite well for himself also. But it's easier to get into an SEC, Big 12, MWC, etc. school on SAT & ACT scores than it is a Pac 12, ACC, or Big Ten school most of the time (There are exceptions to every rule. Arizona State's academics have been known to be somewhat behind the rest of the conference and the same could be said for Nebraska and Louisville as well, I'm sure. On the flip side of the coin, Florida's, Georgia's, Missouri's, and Texas A&M's academics are really good compared to the rest of the conference.).

The closest thing to an SEC-type conference on the West Coast is the MWC, unfortunately. But the MWC does serve Fresno in the Valley and San Diego as well.

However, in the state of California, just like in the states of New York, a lot of New England, Pennsylvania, etc., the NFL teams are top dog in the market, followed by the college teams. The South and parts of the West are really the only parts of the country where this is NOT true, but rather the NFL and the college teams share fans.

Trust me I live here. Oregon doesn't dominate the Northern Valley. If that shows Oregon it's like 2 votes. Don't believe me. Google newspapers in Redding or Sacramento. You will see stories about the local JC or High School teams. You won't see many articles about PAC-12 teams at all. BTW SC doesn't own Bakersfield either. Google the Bakersfield Californian and see what you get. The only team in Bakersfield with a radio affiliate is Fresno. USC doesn't have one. What you have is large swaths of the state with little interest as very few schools are seen as representative of the people in that area.

(12-18-2016 04:33 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 04:07 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 10:43 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-17-2016 08:21 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
Ok, I will make those modifications also.

California is interesting as you can see few parts of the state have a strong college affiliation at all. Tying it back to the Pac-12 expansion thread you can see this in the quicklink sections of papers as you go down the valley: Redding, Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield. With the exception of Stockton, each of those cities is a 90 min drive down 99 North to South and not a Single PAC12 school on the banner in any of them.

You can see that??? From what I see, California does have some strong college affliation, but it's not so much with in-state teams and Pac 12 teams. Oregon claims a large part of California, but, when you look at how strongly the Ducks have recruited the area over the years, you can understand that. Kinda similar to Florida in that respect. And although I used to see the Pac 12 as the "west coast" version of the SEC a long time ago, I know now that I could not have been further from the truth. To be honest, the Pac 12 is more like a "west coast" version of the Big Ten or the ACC. Even though I can't stand him as an athlete, Stanford alumnus John Elway (former Denver Broncos quarterback and a nemesis of one of my favorite NFL teams, the Oakland Raiders) has made quite a name for himself and is one of the top ranking officials in the Denver Broncos organization. I think he even married a former Oakland Raiderette (I feel sorry for her some, but she must love him a lot if she married him). There's no way I'm going to believe that John Elway could have done that (become a top executive within the Denver Broncos organization) if he didn't graduate from Stanford or a similar Pac 12 school. Now, that's not to say that athletes don't get a good education from SEC and other conference schools. Emmitt Smith is a former Florida Gator as well as a former Dallas Cowboy and he has done quite well for himself also. But it's easier to get into an SEC, Big 12, MWC, etc. school on SAT & ACT scores than it is a Pac 12, ACC, or Big Ten school most of the time (There are exceptions to every rule. Arizona State's academics have been known to be somewhat behind the rest of the conference and the same could be said for Nebraska and Louisville as well, I'm sure. On the flip side of the coin, Florida's, Georgia's, Missouri's, and Texas A&M's academics are really good compared to the rest of the conference.).

The closest thing to an SEC-type conference on the West Coast is the MWC, unfortunately. But the MWC does serve Fresno in the Valley and San Diego as well.

However, in the state of California, just like in the states of New York, a lot of New England, Pennsylvania, etc., the NFL teams are top dog in the market, followed by the college teams. The South and parts of the West are really the only parts of the country where this is NOT true, but rather the NFL and the college teams share fans.

Trust me I live here. Oregon doesn't dominate the Northern Valley. If that shows Oregon it's like 2 votes. Don't believe me. Google newspapers in Redding or Sacramento. You will see stories about the local JC or High School teams. You won't see many articles about PAC-12 teams at all. BTW SC doesn't own Bakersfield either. Google the Bakersfield Californian and see what you get. The only team in Bakersfield with a radio affiliate is Fresno. USC doesn't have one. What you have is large swaths of the state with little interest as very few schools are seen as representative of the people in that area.

I did google some of those newspapers (Redding, some Sacramento, and the Bakersfield Californian), and it was pretty much like you said. A lot of NFL, NBA, high school, local JC/CSUS/CSUB.

(12-18-2016 04:33 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 04:07 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 10:43 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-17-2016 08:21 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
Ok, I will make those modifications also.

California is interesting as you can see few parts of the state have a strong college affiliation at all. Tying it back to the Pac-12 expansion thread you can see this in the quicklink sections of papers as you go down the valley: Redding, Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield. With the exception of Stockton, each of those cities is a 90 min drive down 99 North to South and not a Single PAC12 school on the banner in any of them.

You can see that??? From what I see, California does have some strong college affliation, but it's not so much with in-state teams and Pac 12 teams. Oregon claims a large part of California, but, when you look at how strongly the Ducks have recruited the area over the years, you can understand that. Kinda similar to Florida in that respect. And although I used to see the Pac 12 as the "west coast" version of the SEC a long time ago, I know now that I could not have been further from the truth. To be honest, the Pac 12 is more like a "west coast" version of the Big Ten or the ACC. Even though I can't stand him as an athlete, Stanford alumnus John Elway (former Denver Broncos quarterback and a nemesis of one of my favorite NFL teams, the Oakland Raiders) has made quite a name for himself and is one of the top ranking officials in the Denver Broncos organization. I think he even married a former Oakland Raiderette (I feel sorry for her some, but she must love him a lot if she married him). There's no way I'm going to believe that John Elway could have done that (become a top executive within the Denver Broncos organization) if he didn't graduate from Stanford or a similar Pac 12 school. Now, that's not to say that athletes don't get a good education from SEC and other conference schools. Emmitt Smith is a former Florida Gator as well as a former Dallas Cowboy and he has done quite well for himself also. But it's easier to get into an SEC, Big 12, MWC, etc. school on SAT & ACT scores than it is a Pac 12, ACC, or Big Ten school most of the time (There are exceptions to every rule. Arizona State's academics have been known to be somewhat behind the rest of the conference and the same could be said for Nebraska and Louisville as well, I'm sure. On the flip side of the coin, Florida's, Georgia's, Missouri's, and Texas A&M's academics are really good compared to the rest of the conference.).

The closest thing to an SEC-type conference on the West Coast is the MWC, unfortunately. But the MWC does serve Fresno in the Valley and San Diego as well.

However, in the state of California, just like in the states of New York, a lot of New England, Pennsylvania, etc., the NFL teams are top dog in the market, followed by the college teams. The South and parts of the West are really the only parts of the country where this is NOT true, but rather the NFL and the college teams share fans.

Trust me I live here. Oregon doesn't dominate the Northern Valley. If that shows Oregon it's like 2 votes. Don't believe me. Google newspapers in Redding or Sacramento. You will see stories about the local JC or High School teams. You won't see many articles about PAC-12 teams at all. BTW SC doesn't own Bakersfield either. Google the Bakersfield Californian and see what you get. The only team in Bakersfield with a radio affiliate is Fresno. USC doesn't have one. What you have is large swaths of the state with little interest as very few schools are seen as representative of the people in that area.

I'd agree with that (I live in San Diego now). In fact, I'd label most of those cities as grey, just like New Hampshire/Vermont on your map. Also I'd add El Centro to that list of no affiliation (El Centro is the Eastern half of SDSU's region on your map).

By the way, Indiana looks a bit better now, but could use some improvement. Notre Dame doesn't have South Bend on your map. Also East of Indianapolis should be entirely Purdue and Cincinnati, not Indiana and Louisville.

Also in Kentucky, Cincinnati has Northern Kentucky (the top 3 counties in KY) which are shown as part of Louisville's region. And UK should go into the rest of NKY - up to the point where it meets UC's region. UL has some pull in Northern Kentucky but it's clearly behind both UC and UK in all parts of NKY.

(12-18-2016 05:30 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 04:33 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 04:07 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 10:43 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-17-2016 08:21 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
Ok, I will make those modifications also.

California is interesting as you can see few parts of the state have a strong college affiliation at all. Tying it back to the Pac-12 expansion thread you can see this in the quicklink sections of papers as you go down the valley: Redding, Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield. With the exception of Stockton, each of those cities is a 90 min drive down 99 North to South and not a Single PAC12 school on the banner in any of them.

You can see that??? From what I see, California does have some strong college affliation, but it's not so much with in-state teams and Pac 12 teams. Oregon claims a large part of California, but, when you look at how strongly the Ducks have recruited the area over the years, you can understand that. Kinda similar to Florida in that respect. And although I used to see the Pac 12 as the "west coast" version of the SEC a long time ago, I know now that I could not have been further from the truth. To be honest, the Pac 12 is more like a "west coast" version of the Big Ten or the ACC. Even though I can't stand him as an athlete, Stanford alumnus John Elway (former Denver Broncos quarterback and a nemesis of one of my favorite NFL teams, the Oakland Raiders) has made quite a name for himself and is one of the top ranking officials in the Denver Broncos organization. I think he even married a former Oakland Raiderette (I feel sorry for her some, but she must love him a lot if she married him). There's no way I'm going to believe that John Elway could have done that (become a top executive within the Denver Broncos organization) if he didn't graduate from Stanford or a similar Pac 12 school. Now, that's not to say that athletes don't get a good education from SEC and other conference schools. Emmitt Smith is a former Florida Gator as well as a former Dallas Cowboy and he has done quite well for himself also. But it's easier to get into an SEC, Big 12, MWC, etc. school on SAT & ACT scores than it is a Pac 12, ACC, or Big Ten school most of the time (There are exceptions to every rule. Arizona State's academics have been known to be somewhat behind the rest of the conference and the same could be said for Nebraska and Louisville as well, I'm sure. On the flip side of the coin, Florida's, Georgia's, Missouri's, and Texas A&M's academics are really good compared to the rest of the conference.).

The closest thing to an SEC-type conference on the West Coast is the MWC, unfortunately. But the MWC does serve Fresno in the Valley and San Diego as well.

However, in the state of California, just like in the states of New York, a lot of New England, Pennsylvania, etc., the NFL teams are top dog in the market, followed by the college teams. The South and parts of the West are really the only parts of the country where this is NOT true, but rather the NFL and the college teams share fans.

Trust me I live here. Oregon doesn't dominate the Northern Valley. If that shows Oregon it's like 2 votes. Don't believe me. Google newspapers in Redding or Sacramento. You will see stories about the local JC or High School teams. You won't see many articles about PAC-12 teams at all. BTW SC doesn't own Bakersfield either. Google the Bakersfield Californian and see what you get. The only team in Bakersfield with a radio affiliate is Fresno. USC doesn't have one. What you have is large swaths of the state with little interest as very few schools are seen as representative of the people in that area.

I did google some of those newspapers (Redding, some Sacramento, and the Bakersfield Californian), and it was pretty much like you said. A lot of NFL, NBA, high school, local JC/CSUS/CSUB.

Yep my local high school, Del Oro, gets more press in terms of Radio, newspaper and TV then the PAC-12 teams. Washington got a little press because Jake Browning was a high school quarterback from here. Peterson has always recruited this area well.

The thing to keep in mind is Central Cal is largely agricultural, government, manufacturing/distribution. Bakersfield is largely agriculture and oil.
http://www.city-data.com/us-cities/The-W...onomy.html
http://www.labormarketinfo.edd.ca.gov/ma...ode=000067
top industries in bakersfield ca

Not a lot of PAC-12 CA graduates in agriculture, petrochemical engineering, manufacturing/distribution, or prison guards. There is however, plenty of resentment in the valley towards the liberal cities and regulations that cost jobs in the state. Most of the UC's sit in the coastal cities and the Cal States (which do reside in the valley) are legally prevented from offering doctoral degrees. So you have a fair degree of dislike in the valley for the liberal coastal cities.

Provide those cities with a team on equal footing that could compete with the PAC-12 schools and you would be shocked at the passionate following and result. Currently, watching Fresno is just a reminder they are second class citizens.

The equivalent would be if UT Austin used their influence to legally prevent Texas Tech from offering doctoral degrees then used that lack of doctoral programs to banish them permanently to the MWC. Do you think anyone from that area would follow or care about the liberal elites in Austin?

(12-18-2016 06:31 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 05:30 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 04:33 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 04:07 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 10:43 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  California is interesting as you can see few parts of the state have a strong college affiliation at all. Tying it back to the Pac-12 expansion thread you can see this in the quicklink sections of papers as you go down the valley: Redding, Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield. With the exception of Stockton, each of those cities is a 90 min drive down 99 North to South and not a Single PAC12 school on the banner in any of them.

You can see that??? From what I see, California does have some strong college affliation, but it's not so much with in-state teams and Pac 12 teams. Oregon claims a large part of California, but, when you look at how strongly the Ducks have recruited the area over the years, you can understand that. Kinda similar to Florida in that respect. And although I used to see the Pac 12 as the "west coast" version of the SEC a long time ago, I know now that I could not have been further from the truth. To be honest, the Pac 12 is more like a "west coast" version of the Big Ten or the ACC. Even though I can't stand him as an athlete, Stanford alumnus John Elway (former Denver Broncos quarterback and a nemesis of one of my favorite NFL teams, the Oakland Raiders) has made quite a name for himself and is one of the top ranking officials in the Denver Broncos organization. I think he even married a former Oakland Raiderette (I feel sorry for her some, but she must love him a lot if she married him). There's no way I'm going to believe that John Elway could have done that (become a top executive within the Denver Broncos organization) if he didn't graduate from Stanford or a similar Pac 12 school. Now, that's not to say that athletes don't get a good education from SEC and other conference schools. Emmitt Smith is a former Florida Gator as well as a former Dallas Cowboy and he has done quite well for himself also. But it's easier to get into an SEC, Big 12, MWC, etc. school on SAT & ACT scores than it is a Pac 12, ACC, or Big Ten school most of the time (There are exceptions to every rule. Arizona State's academics have been known to be somewhat behind the rest of the conference and the same could be said for Nebraska and Louisville as well, I'm sure. On the flip side of the coin, Florida's, Georgia's, Missouri's, and Texas A&M's academics are really good compared to the rest of the conference.).

The closest thing to an SEC-type conference on the West Coast is the MWC, unfortunately. But the MWC does serve Fresno in the Valley and San Diego as well.

However, in the state of California, just like in the states of New York, a lot of New England, Pennsylvania, etc., the NFL teams are top dog in the market, followed by the college teams. The South and parts of the West are really the only parts of the country where this is NOT true, but rather the NFL and the college teams share fans.

Trust me I live here. Oregon doesn't dominate the Northern Valley. If that shows Oregon it's like 2 votes. Don't believe me. Google newspapers in Redding or Sacramento. You will see stories about the local JC or High School teams. You won't see many articles about PAC-12 teams at all. BTW SC doesn't own Bakersfield either. Google the Bakersfield Californian and see what you get. The only team in Bakersfield with a radio affiliate is Fresno. USC doesn't have one. What you have is large swaths of the state with little interest as very few schools are seen as representative of the people in that area.

I did google some of those newspapers (Redding, some Sacramento, and the Bakersfield Californian), and it was pretty much like you said. A lot of NFL, NBA, high school, local JC/CSUS/CSUB.

Yep my local high school, Del Oro, gets more press in terms of Radio, newspaper and TV then the PAC-12 teams. Washington got a little press because Jake Browning was a high school quarterback from here. Peterson has always recruited this area well.

The thing to keep in mind is Central Cal is largely agricultural, government, manufacturing/distribution. Bakersfield is largely agriculture and oil.
http://www.city-data.com/us-cities/The-W...onomy.html
http://www.labormarketinfo.edd.ca.gov/ma...ode=000067
top industries in bakersfield ca

Not a lot of PAC-12 CA graduates in agriculture, petrochemical engineering, manufacturing/distribution, or prison guards. There is however, plenty of resentment in the valley towards the liberal cities and regulations that cost jobs in the state. Most of the UC's sit in the coastal cities and the Cal States (which do reside in the valley) are legally prevented from offering doctoral degrees. So you have a fair degree of dislike in the valley for the liberal coastal cities.

Provide those cities with a team on equal footing that could compete with the PAC-12 schools and you would be shocked at the passionate following and result. Currently, watching Fresno is just a reminder they are second class citizens.

The equivalent would be if UT Austin used their influence to legally prevent Texas Tech from offering doctoral degrees then used that lack of doctoral programs to banish them permanently to the MWC. Do you think anyone from that area would follow or care about the liberal elites in Austin?

Actually, UNC has kinda sorta done that to ECU (or at least they used to). In the Pac 12's defense, they are a "public ivy." However, the P5 do need to expand by two conferences in my opinion, and the MWC is one of them. Additionally, the Valley could use another campus, probably UC Davis. The MWC should probably add CSU-Bakersfield also, IMO.

(12-19-2016 01:24 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 06:31 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 05:30 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 04:33 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 04:07 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  You can see that??? From what I see, California does have some strong college affliation, but it's not so much with in-state teams and Pac 12 teams. Oregon claims a large part of California, but, when you look at how strongly the Ducks have recruited the area over the years, you can understand that. Kinda similar to Florida in that respect. And although I used to see the Pac 12 as the "west coast" version of the SEC a long time ago, I know now that I could not have been further from the truth. To be honest, the Pac 12 is more like a "west coast" version of the Big Ten or the ACC. Even though I can't stand him as an athlete, Stanford alumnus John Elway (former Denver Broncos quarterback and a nemesis of one of my favorite NFL teams, the Oakland Raiders) has made quite a name for himself and is one of the top ranking officials in the Denver Broncos organization. I think he even married a former Oakland Raiderette (I feel sorry for her some, but she must love him a lot if she married him). There's no way I'm going to believe that John Elway could have done that (become a top executive within the Denver Broncos organization) if he didn't graduate from Stanford or a similar Pac 12 school. Now, that's not to say that athletes don't get a good education from SEC and other conference schools. Emmitt Smith is a former Florida Gator as well as a former Dallas Cowboy and he has done quite well for himself also. But it's easier to get into an SEC, Big 12, MWC, etc. school on SAT & ACT scores than it is a Pac 12, ACC, or Big Ten school most of the time (There are exceptions to every rule. Arizona State's academics have been known to be somewhat behind the rest of the conference and the same could be said for Nebraska and Louisville as well, I'm sure. On the flip side of the coin, Florida's, Georgia's, Missouri's, and Texas A&M's academics are really good compared to the rest of the conference.).

The closest thing to an SEC-type conference on the West Coast is the MWC, unfortunately. But the MWC does serve Fresno in the Valley and San Diego as well.

However, in the state of California, just like in the states of New York, a lot of New England, Pennsylvania, etc., the NFL teams are top dog in the market, followed by the college teams. The South and parts of the West are really the only parts of the country where this is NOT true, but rather the NFL and the college teams share fans.

Trust me I live here. Oregon doesn't dominate the Northern Valley. If that shows Oregon it's like 2 votes. Don't believe me. Google newspapers in Redding or Sacramento. You will see stories about the local JC or High School teams. You won't see many articles about PAC-12 teams at all. BTW SC doesn't own Bakersfield either. Google the Bakersfield Californian and see what you get. The only team in Bakersfield with a radio affiliate is Fresno. USC doesn't have one. What you have is large swaths of the state with little interest as very few schools are seen as representative of the people in that area.

I did google some of those newspapers (Redding, some Sacramento, and the Bakersfield Californian), and it was pretty much like you said. A lot of NFL, NBA, high school, local JC/CSUS/CSUB.

Yep my local high school, Del Oro, gets more press in terms of Radio, newspaper and TV then the PAC-12 teams. Washington got a little press because Jake Browning was a high school quarterback from here. Peterson has always recruited this area well.

The thing to keep in mind is Central Cal is largely agricultural, government, manufacturing/distribution. Bakersfield is largely agriculture and oil.
http://www.city-data.com/us-cities/The-W...onomy.html
http://www.labormarketinfo.edd.ca.gov/ma...ode=000067
top industries in bakersfield ca

Not a lot of PAC-12 CA graduates in agriculture, petrochemical engineering, manufacturing/distribution, or prison guards. There is however, plenty of resentment in the valley towards the liberal cities and regulations that cost jobs in the state. Most of the UC's sit in the coastal cities and the Cal States (which do reside in the valley) are legally prevented from offering doctoral degrees. So you have a fair degree of dislike in the valley for the liberal coastal cities.

Provide those cities with a team on equal footing that could compete with the PAC-12 schools and you would be shocked at the passionate following and result. Currently, watching Fresno is just a reminder they are second class citizens.

The equivalent would be if UT Austin used their influence to legally prevent Texas Tech from offering doctoral degrees then used that lack of doctoral programs to banish them permanently to the MWC. Do you think anyone from that area would follow or care about the liberal elites in Austin?

Actually, UNC has kinda sorta done that to ECU (or at least they used to). In the Pac 12's defense, they are a "public ivy." However, the P5 do need to expand by two conferences in my opinion, and the MWC is one of them. Additionally, the Valley could use another campus, probably UC Davis. The MWC should probably add CSU-Bakersfield also, IMO.

The MWC will never add UC Davis or UCSD unless SDSU and Fresno go to the Big 12. Given the active degrees to which the UC's have held down the Cal States; Fresno, SDSU and SJSU will never allow Davis or UCSD to join the MWC. And with no other Western D1A conference they are stuck. Given how they have F'd the Cal States too darn bad. If any school were to be added it would be Sac State.

As for ECU. They are the Fresno of Carolinas but North Carolina teenagers have options in state if they want to
Experience FBS experience. CA teenagers don't.

What is that school you have above the ODU dot? Hard to tell.

(12-19-2016 02:39 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 01:24 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 06:31 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 05:30 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 04:33 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  Trust me I live here. Oregon doesn't dominate the Northern Valley. If that shows Oregon it's like 2 votes. Don't believe me. Google newspapers in Redding or Sacramento. You will see stories about the local JC or High School teams. You won't see many articles about PAC-12 teams at all. BTW SC doesn't own Bakersfield either. Google the Bakersfield Californian and see what you get. The only team in Bakersfield with a radio affiliate is Fresno. USC doesn't have one. What you have is large swaths of the state with little interest as very few schools are seen as representative of the people in that area.

I did google some of those newspapers (Redding, some Sacramento, and the Bakersfield Californian), and it was pretty much like you said. A lot of NFL, NBA, high school, local JC/CSUS/CSUB.

Yep my local high school, Del Oro, gets more press in terms of Radio, newspaper and TV then the PAC-12 teams. Washington got a little press because Jake Browning was a high school quarterback from here. Peterson has always recruited this area well.

The thing to keep in mind is Central Cal is largely agricultural, government, manufacturing/distribution. Bakersfield is largely agriculture and oil.
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top industries in bakersfield ca

Not a lot of PAC-12 CA graduates in agriculture, petrochemical engineering, manufacturing/distribution, or prison guards. There is however, plenty of resentment in the valley towards the liberal cities and regulations that cost jobs in the state. Most of the UC's sit in the coastal cities and the Cal States (which do reside in the valley) are legally prevented from offering doctoral degrees. So you have a fair degree of dislike in the valley for the liberal coastal cities.

Provide those cities with a team on equal footing that could compete with the PAC-12 schools and you would be shocked at the passionate following and result. Currently, watching Fresno is just a reminder they are second class citizens.

The equivalent would be if UT Austin used their influence to legally prevent Texas Tech from offering doctoral degrees then used that lack of doctoral programs to banish them permanently to the MWC. Do you think anyone from that area would follow or care about the liberal elites in Austin?

Actually, UNC has kinda sorta done that to ECU (or at least they used to). In the Pac 12's defense, they are a "public ivy." However, the P5 do need to expand by two conferences in my opinion, and the MWC is one of them. Additionally, the Valley could use another campus, probably UC Davis. The MWC should probably add CSU-Bakersfield also, IMO.

The MWC will never add UC Davis or UCSD unless SDSU and Fresno go to the Big 12. Given the active degrees to which the UC's have held down the Cal States; Fresno, SDSU and SJSU will never allow Davis or UCSD to join the MWC. And with no other Western D1A conference they are stuck. Given how they have F'd the Cal States too darn bad. If any school were to be added it would be Sac State.

As for ECU. They are the Fresno of Carolinas but North Carolina teenagers have options in state if they want to
Experience FBS experience. CA teenagers don't.

The reason it took so long for me to get back to your post is that I have my son on visitation until Christmas Day. The former Mrs. DNB divorced me this past October, and things have been crazy ever since .
But truthfully , NC kids really can't get FBS experience anywhere else, because all the NC FBS teams are a part of the UNC system. Imagine what life would be like for Fresno if it was a "UC" campus instead of a Cal-State.

This is with the exception of Duke & Wake of course, but California has Stanford & USC.

(12-19-2016 04:52 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  What is that school you have above the ODU dot? Hard to tell.

That would be Navy.

Ah, thx.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.