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Quote:Why do you say he'd rather stay in the midwest as if that's a commonly accepted premise?

Kids (being flown, too), roots, elite confidence in his aspirations. :) I'm not saying he's going to turn down $4m to Vanderbuilt with a great contract or anything (I just don't think it'd be high enough if offered this year). He worked at Rutgers before... if they fired their coach, I could see that, but it's his 1st year so that won't happen.

Quote:Brady Hoke was a whole different story, this guy is "different", which is what you've been saying about him for four years.

He is different! Weighs about 5lbs or 50lbs less, give or take. :) Still, at the end, winning % and what you accomplish matters. He's also a new coach. Pluses and minuses. Hoke was a hot coach to pick up at the time too. How often is there a 12-0 MAC team? Testicle Tech was under Hoke.

Quote:To that note, everyone assumes they have the openings on the coaches carousel nailed, and it always shocks. This year will be no different.

I agree that things are not supposed to be 100%. I didn't think Texas A&M was going to be #4 today. The only thing I will say no-way to though, is him getting even close to $4 million by anyone. I could see around $3 million with a lower-tier P5 with lots of $$ wanting something "new and different" that he represents. A legendary P5? That's less appealing when he's a brand spanking new young coach.

(11-01-2016 09:23 AM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  As someone who lives in Kalamazoo and works in Battle Creek, interest and enthusiasm are at an ALL TIME HIGH.

Yes, higher than they were back when Tim Lester played in front of sold out crowds who didn't have access to social media or other games.

Agreed 100%. I travel a lot for work, and there are alumni coming out of the woodwork to talk to me about WMU. More now than ever before.

(11-01-2016 06:37 PM)Moomba Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 05:11 PM)Potro Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 03:40 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Remember, he has had no OC/DC experience ever

Does that really matter after he has proven success as a head coach? He does not need to be an OC or DC, just prove he can hire and manage good ones, which he has proven he can do.

Not one bit.

Well, hold on, there might be that factor of not being able to "out recruit" the big boys because they're all playing the same game.

Remember that ponzi scheme guy for Miami U? Said he was told not to even try to get $EC kids because they couldn't afford them!

What

(11-01-2016 08:49 PM)Moomba Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 06:37 PM)Moomba Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 05:11 PM)Potro Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 03:40 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Remember, he has had no OC/DC experience ever

Does that really matter after he has proven success as a head coach? He does not need to be an OC or DC, just prove he can hire and manage good ones, which he has proven he can do.

Not one bit.

Well, hold on, there might be that factor of not being able to "out recruit" the big boys because they're all playing the same game.

Remember that ponzi scheme guy for Miami U? Said he was told not to even try to get $EC kids because they couldn't afford them!

What

Hey look. The crazy person is talking to himself again.

(11-01-2016 08:53 PM)PezKingGL1 Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 08:49 PM)Moomba Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 06:37 PM)Moomba Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 05:11 PM)Potro Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 03:40 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Remember, he has had no OC/DC experience ever

Does that really matter after he has proven success as a head coach? He does not need to be an OC or DC, just prove he can hire and manage good ones, which he has proven he can do.

Not one bit.

Well, hold on, there might be that factor of not being able to "out recruit" the big boys because they're all playing the same game.

Remember that ponzi scheme guy for Miami U? Said he was told not to even try to get $EC kids because they couldn't afford them!

What

Hey look. The crazy person is talking to himself again.

Sorry PR, typo

(11-01-2016 09:04 PM)Moomba Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 08:53 PM)PezKingGL1 Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 08:49 PM)Moomba Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 06:37 PM)Moomba Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 05:11 PM)Potro Wrote:  Does that really matter after he has proven success as a head coach? He does not need to be an OC or DC, just prove he can hire and manage good ones, which he has proven he can do.

Not one bit.

Well, hold on, there might be that factor of not being able to "out recruit" the big boys because they're all playing the same game.

Remember that ponzi scheme guy for Miami U? Said he was told not to even try to get $EC kids because they couldn't afford them!

What

Hey look. The crazy person is talking to himself again.

Sorry PR, typo

You mean you forgot to change handles?

Only have one. Unlike your 25 here PERSROD.

You liking this episode of "Bluechips"?!

(11-01-2016 06:35 PM)Moomba Wrote:  GD had 36K for Indiana State.

GD also had 13K for EMU to clinch the MAC West title in 2000. Like the author of this click-bait article, you're only picking and choosing attendance numbers that attempt to support your argument while ignoring attendance numbers that show that attendance struggles are nothing new - not only to us, but to other high-level MAC programs.

Yes, we had less at CommUniversity Night this season (we've had less for many seasons, including pre-P.J.). In 2000 we had one of our better crowds of 27K+ for Homecoming against NIU; this year's Homecoming crowd for NIU was comparable.

Are some of the author's criticisms valid? Yes. We'd all like to see more butts in seats. This article would come off as much more credible, though, if we were to remain unbeaten and draw, say, 15K for Buffalo and/or Toledo in mid-November. And, hey, that could still happen. I don't think it will, but let's see how it plays out.

In the meantime, the author of the article should be happy - or at least his bosses will be happy, judging by the 500+ responses to the article. He has a long way to go to catch Graham Couch or David Drew as a journalist, though.

The Toledo game will be the true test. How many students will make sure to have their butts back from home and occupying a seat at Waldo? That will be a test for me. If this team is truly sparking the student body they will turn out for the most important and toughest game of the season.

Students need to understand how historic what is going on really IS.

Be there. You won't regret it.

As for the opinion piece, I believe that his broad point is valid. This team should be well supported. We will see over the next few weeks.

(11-02-2016 12:47 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  The Toledo game will be the true test. How many students will make sure to have their butts back from home and occupying a seat at Waldo?

Not very many.

Late November games never seem to draw well. I don't expect a large crowd for either Buffalo or Toledo.

As a side note on attendance, last night BSU was only able to draw in 5,600 fans. Maction may be great for TV, but is horrible for getting butts in seats.

(11-02-2016 12:47 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  The Toledo game will be the true test. How many students will make sure to have their butts back from home and occupying a seat at Waldo? That will be a test for me. If this team is truly sparking the student body they will turn out for the most important and toughest game of the season.

Students need to understand how historic what is going on really IS.

Be there. You won't regret it.

As for the opinion piece, I believe that his broad point is valid. This team should be well supported. We will see over the next few weeks.

Might be tough for students. My son is a freshman, and wants desperately to go to the Toledo game, but it being kind of a big day for retail joints, his employer has stated that anyone who calls off that day will be fired. Thus, I'm guessing the story will be the same for a lot of students.

Point being, if you see a ton of space available in the student section that day, it may not totally be the students' fault.

(11-02-2016 07:05 AM)Potro Wrote:  Late November games never seem to draw well. I don't expect a large crowd for either Buffalo or Toledo.

As a side note on attendance, last night BSU was only able to draw in 5,600 fans. Maction may be great for TV, but is horrible for getting butts in seats.

MACtion is a dumb idea.

Even worse, is the bonehead idea of having a football game the day after Thanksgiving.

(11-02-2016 12:07 AM)The Colonel Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 06:35 PM)Moomba Wrote:  GD had 36K for Indiana State.

GD also had 13K for EMU to clinch the MAC West title in 2000. Like the author of this click-bait article, you're only picking and choosing attendance numbers that attempt to support your argument while ignoring attendance numbers that show that attendance struggles are nothing new - not only to us, but to other high-level MAC programs.

Yes, we had less at CommUniversity Night this season (we've had less for many seasons, including pre-P.J.). In 2000 we had one of our better crowds of 27K+ for Homecoming against NIU; this year's Homecoming crowd for NIU was comparable.

Are some of the author's criticisms valid? Yes. We'd all like to see more butts in seats. This article would come off as much more credible, though, if we were to remain unbeaten and draw, say, 15K for Buffalo and/or Toledo in mid-November. And, hey, that could still happen. I don't think it will, but let's see how it plays out.

In the meantime, the author of the article should be happy - or at least his bosses will be happy, judging by the 500+ responses to the article. He has a long way to go to catch Graham Couch or David Drew as a journalist, though.

In 1999 we AVERAGED over 26k.

(11-02-2016 07:38 AM)GullLake Wrote:  Even worse, is the bonehead idea of having a football game the day after Thanksgiving.

NCAA football the Friday of Thanksgiving weekend is a long standing tradition. Certainly better than the craziness of shopping.

I remember bringing small TV to our office on a Friday in 1973 to watch #3 Oklahoma beat #10 Nebraska 27-0

Point is we shouldn't be playing against those televised P5 games on Black Friday.

Need to open up some student tickets for general public or that side of the stadium will be empty. Day after thanksgiving...you can't keep students around in massive numbers. Plus...the Eastern game, the majority of the empty sections (small) were on the student side and the end zone under the scoreboard. Might get lucky with an Indian Summer day, might predictably get 10 degrees and snow.

I imagine the Buffalo game will do ok with at least the students. If we get lucky with weather no reason it shouldnt be as big as the EMU crowd at minimum

(11-02-2016 08:23 AM)okgc Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 07:38 AM)GullLake Wrote:  Even worse, is the bonehead idea of having a football game the day after Thanksgiving.

NCAA football the Friday of Thanksgiving weekend is a long standing tradition. Certainly better than the craziness of shopping.

I remember bringing small TV to our office on a Friday in 1973 to watch #3 Oklahoma beat #10 Nebraska 27-0

Fluties pass. Remember it like it was yesterday.

(11-02-2016 08:57 AM)uclabruin Wrote:  Need to open up some student tickets for general public or that side of the stadium will be empty. Day after thanksgiving...you can't keep students around in massive numbers. Plus...the Eastern game, the majority of the empty sections (small) were on the student side and the end zone under the scoreboard. Might get lucky with an Indian Summer day, might predictably get 10 degrees and snow.

I have two tickets next to the student section for this game. When I purchased my tickets, there weren't many left.