Obviously Clemson needs to beat Syracuse to remain undefeated, and VT can't afford a loss to Duke with UNC nipping at their heels... but which other games are critical to the participants? Here are my thoughts...

FSU will have a meltdown if they lose to NC State. Conversely, Dave Doreen might be running out of time in Raleigh, and a n upset win would buy him some more.

The team most desperate for a win has to be Miami, which started 4-0 but has now lost 4 in a row. They are also at home, facing a team they have not beaten in a long time.

What do you guys think? Who needs a win the most this week?

(10-31-2016 06:20 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Obviously Clemson needs to beat Syracuse to remain undefeated, and VT can't afford a loss to Duke with UNC nipping at their heels... but which other games are critical to the participants? Here are my thoughts...

FSU will have a meltdown if they lose to NC State. Conversely, Dave Doreen might be running out of time in Raleigh, and a n upset win would buy him some more.

The team most desperate for a win has to be Miami, which started 4-0 but has now lost 4 in a row. They are also at home, facing a team they have not beaten in a long time.

What do you guys think? Who needs a win the most this week?

My opinion is that Clemson cant afford to lose to anyone left on their schedule as that would be disastrous for them this late in the game regarding the CFP. But Miami is the team that needs a win the most if they are riding a 4 game losing streak. That may be the longest losing streak in the conference. I really dont understand how Miami could be struggling so badly with all that talent.

(10-31-2016 06:41 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 06:20 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Obviously Clemson needs to beat Syracuse to remain undefeated, and VT can't afford a loss to Duke with UNC nipping at their heels... but which other games are critical to the participants? Here are my thoughts...

FSU will have a meltdown if they lose to NC State. Conversely, Dave Doreen might be running out of time in Raleigh, and a n upset win would buy him some more.

The team most desperate for a win has to be Miami, which started 4-0 but has now lost 4 in a row. They are also at home, facing a team they have not beaten in a long time.

What do you guys think? Who needs a win the most this week?

My opinion is that Clemson cant afford to lose to anyone left on their schedule as that would be disastrous for them this late in the game regarding the CFP. But Miami is the team that needs a win the most if they are riding a 4 game losing streak. That may be the longest losing streak in the conference. I really dont understand how Miami could be struggling so badly with all that talent.

One word: injuries. I think Miami was missing 5 defensive starters against VT on that Thursday night game, including 3 on the defensive line.

All I'm worried about is Louisville winning. Another loss & we are out of the CFP conversation. Still likely have the OB waiting though.

Losing to Army was a kick in the gut coming off the BYE week and it being Homecoming too. With likely losses at home vs Clemson and @Louisville, Wake absolutely must beat Virginia this week to get the bowl eligibility monkey off our back and not put so much pressure on the final game against BC (#therivalry).

(10-31-2016 10:18 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  All I'm worried about is Louisville winning. Another loss & we are out of the CFP conversation. Still likely have the OB waiting though.

Lose again and you might end up watching VT in the Orange Bowl. Probably not, but it certainly gets a lot more interesting.

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(10-31-2016 10:53 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Losing to Army was a kick in the gut coming off the BYE week and it being Homecoming too. With likely losses at home vs Clemson and @Louisville, Wake absolutely must beat Virginia this week to get the bowl eligibility monkey off our back and not put so much pressure on the final game against BC (#therivalry).

Yeah, didn't see that coming

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(10-31-2016 06:20 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Obviously Clemson needs to beat Syracuse to remain undefeated, and VT can't afford a loss to Duke with UNC nipping at their heels... but which other games are critical to the participants? Here are my thoughts...

FSU will have a meltdown if they lose to NC State. Conversely, Dave Doreen might be running out of time in Raleigh, and a n upset win would buy him some more.

The team most desperate for a win has to be Miami, which started 4-0 but has now lost 4 in a row. They are also at home, facing a team they have not beaten in a long time.

What do you guys think? Who needs a win the most this week?

Clemson needs to win to remain undefeated, and VT needs a win to stay on course for Orlando

FSU is just aiming for a win over rival Florida and a good bowl game

Miami is playing for next year now IMO...Kaaya hasn't been that great this year.

Louisville wants to go undefeated and try and slip in the playoffs...getting Lamar Jackson a Heisman wouldn't hurt either

At this point in the season, everybody needs a win. I know Pitt sure could use one.

(10-31-2016 11:01 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 10:18 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  All I'm worried about is Louisville winning. Another loss & we are out of the CFP conversation. Still likely have the OB waiting though.

Lose again and you might end up watching VT in the Orange Bowl. Probably not, but it certainly gets a lot more interesting.

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VT can make it interesting. If Louisville makes the CFP with Clemson then the Coastal Champ is in the OB for sure.

(10-31-2016 11:53 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 11:01 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 10:18 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  All I'm worried about is Louisville winning. Another loss & we are out of the CFP conversation. Still likely have the OB waiting though.

Lose again and you might end up watching VT in the Orange Bowl. Probably not, but it certainly gets a lot more interesting.

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VT can make it interesting. If Louisville makes the CFP with Clemson then the Coastal Champ is in the OB for sure.

Not true. It will be the next highest ranked ACC team. If UNC wins out and VT gets crushed by Clemson in the ACCCG, the OB will take the Heels. Tomorrow's rankings will be key.

(10-31-2016 12:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 11:53 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 11:01 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 10:18 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  All I'm worried about is Louisville winning. Another loss & we are out of the CFP conversation. Still likely have the OB waiting though.

Lose again and you might end up watching VT in the Orange Bowl. Probably not, but it certainly gets a lot more interesting.

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VT can make it interesting. If Louisville makes the CFP with Clemson then the Coastal Champ is in the OB for sure.

Not true. It will be the next highest ranked ACC team. If UNC wins out and VT gets crushed by Clemson in the ACCCG, the OB will take the Heels. Tomorrow's rankings will be key.

Just being a realist, I think it is going to be very difficult for U of L to get in the playoff. Houston was key and they look like garbage. Y'all will be jockeying with a few one loss teams. I think SOS is going to hurt y'all. Hopefully I'm wrong I just don't see it with one top 25 win.

(10-31-2016 01:54 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 12:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 11:53 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 11:01 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 10:18 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  All I'm worried about is Louisville winning. Another loss & we are out of the CFP conversation. Still likely have the OB waiting though.

Lose again and you might end up watching VT in the Orange Bowl. Probably not, but it certainly gets a lot more interesting.

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VT can make it interesting. If Louisville makes the CFP with Clemson then the Coastal Champ is in the OB for sure.

Not true. It will be the next highest ranked ACC team. If UNC wins out and VT gets crushed by Clemson in the ACCCG, the OB will take the Heels. Tomorrow's rankings will be key.

Just being a realist, I think it is going to be very difficult for U of L to get in the playoff. Houston was key and they look like garbage. Y'all will be jockeying with a few one loss teams. I think SOS is going to hurt y'all. Hopefully I'm wrong I just don't see it with one top 25 win.

If Washington loses a late season game, say the pack 12 championship game. And, if Michigan wins out, including a win over Ohio State, then I think Louisville would make the tournament.

(10-31-2016 01:58 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 01:54 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 12:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 11:53 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 11:01 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Lose again and you might end up watching VT in the Orange Bowl. Probably not, but it certainly gets a lot more interesting.

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VT can make it interesting. If Louisville makes the CFP with Clemson then the Coastal Champ is in the OB for sure.

Not true. It will be the next highest ranked ACC team. If UNC wins out and VT gets crushed by Clemson in the ACCCG, the OB will take the Heels. Tomorrow's rankings will be key.

Just being a realist, I think it is going to be very difficult for U of L to get in the playoff. Houston was key and they look like garbage. Y'all will be jockeying with a few one loss teams. I think SOS is going to hurt y'all. Hopefully I'm wrong I just don't see it with one top 25 win.

If Washington loses a late season game, say the pack 12 championship game. And, if Michigan wins out, including a win over Ohio State, then I think Louisville would make the tournament.

Yes that would be a possibility, but I highly doubt Washington loses two games. I could be with you at one but they are pretty much done with the hard part of the schedule.

(10-31-2016 02:02 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 01:58 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 01:54 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 12:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 11:53 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  VT can make it interesting. If Louisville makes the CFP with Clemson then the Coastal Champ is in the OB for sure.

Not true. It will be the next highest ranked ACC team. If UNC wins out and VT gets crushed by Clemson in the ACCCG, the OB will take the Heels. Tomorrow's rankings will be key.

Just being a realist, I think it is going to be very difficult for U of L to get in the playoff. Houston was key and they look like garbage. Y'all will be jockeying with a few one loss teams. I think SOS is going to hurt y'all. Hopefully I'm wrong I just don't see it with one top 25 win.

If Washington loses a late season game, say the pack 12 championship game. And, if Michigan wins out, including a win over Ohio State, then I think Louisville would make the tournament.

Yes that would be a possibility, but I highly doubt Washington loses two games. I could be with you at one but they are pretty much done with the hard part of the schedule.

Disregard I saw you mention just one loss. I just can't see Louisville getting in before 2 power five champs unless they have two losses.

(10-31-2016 02:03 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 02:02 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 01:58 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 01:54 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 12:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Not true. It will be the next highest ranked ACC team. If UNC wins out and VT gets crushed by Clemson in the ACCCG, the OB will take the Heels. Tomorrow's rankings will be key.

Just being a realist, I think it is going to be very difficult for U of L to get in the playoff. Houston was key and they look like garbage. Y'all will be jockeying with a few one loss teams. I think SOS is going to hurt y'all. Hopefully I'm wrong I just don't see it with one top 25 win.

If Washington loses a late season game, say the pack 12 championship game. And, if Michigan wins out, including a win over Ohio State, then I think Louisville would make the tournament.

Yes that would be a possibility, but I highly doubt Washington loses two games. I could be with you at one but they are pretty much done with the hard part of the schedule.

Disregard I saw you mention just one loss. I just can't see Louisville getting in before 2 power five champs unless they have two losses.

What p5 champ would get in over them in a scenario where Washington loses the pac 12 conference championship game? I don't think any big 12 teams going to get in over louisville. And, I don't see either number 21 Colorado or number 16 Utah getting over Louisville either.

I think it would come down with three dog race between Louisville, Texas A&M, in Washington. Out of those three, Washington would have the most recent loss which would be huge strike against them. Additionally, Louisville is currently rated higher than Texas A&M which is a huge advantage. My moneys is on Louisville.

(10-31-2016 02:07 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 02:03 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 02:02 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 01:58 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 01:54 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Just being a realist, I think it is going to be very difficult for U of L to get in the playoff. Houston was key and they look like garbage. Y'all will be jockeying with a few one loss teams. I think SOS is going to hurt y'all. Hopefully I'm wrong I just don't see it with one top 25 win.

If Washington loses a late season game, say the pack 12 championship game. And, if Michigan wins out, including a win over Ohio State, then I think Louisville would make the tournament.

Yes that would be a possibility, but I highly doubt Washington loses two games. I could be with you at one but they are pretty much done with the hard part of the schedule.

Disregard I saw you mention just one loss. I just can't see Louisville getting in before 2 power five champs unless they have two losses.

What p5 champ would get in over them in a scenario where Washington loses the pac 12 conference championship game? I don't think any big 12 teams going to get in over louisville. And, I don't see either number 21 Colorado or number 16 Utah getting over Louisville either.

I think a one loss Texas A&M would get the nod (I know it's similar to y'all but the SEC has that reputation). I still think it would be hard to justify Louisville being in with only one quality win. I agree that Utah and Colorado wouldn't jump y'all. But what if the big 12 champ is a one loss team?

(10-31-2016 02:17 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I think it would come down with three dog race between Louisville, Texas A&M, in Washington. Out of those three, Washington would have the most recent loss which would be huge strike against them. Additionally, Louisville is currently rated higher than Texas A&M which is a huge advantage. My moneys is on Louisville.

Washington has to lose twice...a 12-1 PAC 12 Champ gets in over Louisville

...and they may lose twice, especially when they get Washington State and Colorado as the last 2 games

Texas A&M isn't impressive enough to jump Louisville, and they will probably lose to LSU

(10-31-2016 02:26 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 02:17 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I think it would come down with three dog race between Louisville, Texas A&M, in Washington. Out of those three, Washington would have the most recent loss which would be huge strike against them. Additionally, Louisville is currently rated higher than Texas A&M which is a huge advantage. My moneys is on Louisville.

Washington has to lose twice...a 12-1 PAC 12 Champ gets in over Louisville

...and they may lose twice, especially when they get Washington State and Colorado as the last 2 games

Texas A&M isn't impressive enough to jump Louisville, and they will probably lose to LSU

That assumes that Washington is the 12-1 PAC 12 champ. But what if Washington's lone loss comes in the CCG?