"Next guy has to have a on-field staff heavy in Midwest ties. Not having anyone on this staff with regional ties was mistake #1 of many by Tubby. The fact that he compounded it in 3 successive offseasons by not hiring guys to rectify that when he had so many openings to fill is perplexing."
Yes - a critical error. Reference Kelly hiring Coombs.
(10-31-2016 09:25 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: I just don’t see Kiffin coming here. I think he winds up with a P5 job. IMO our options are either P5 assistant coaches or between a few guys that coach at FCS, Sunbelt or C-USA level currently. The active head coahes I speak of:
Bo Pelini (YSU)- Ohio guy as his entire staff. He’s making $200K/year at YSU and living off his buyout from Nebraska. YSU has better asst. coaches than we currently do as well (Carl Pelini, Ron Stoops, Jr., Shane Montgomery, etc.). This staff would recruit the hell out of Ohio on name alone.
Jeff Brohm (WKU)- Louisville alum and native. Also has a better asst. staff than we do currently.
Neal Brown (Troy State)- Air Raid Offense. Coached as OC at several P5 stops and has turned Troy around.
Scott Satterfield (Appy State)- One of those guys who gets it done with little to no resources.
I think any one of those guys would be a good fit here.
By all accounts Pelini is a jerk, but I don't care. He wins a lot of games.
Pelini definitely looks like a jerk with his mannerisms but it is definitely passionate. Something i miss
There's a difference between passion and being an a$$hole. He really wore out his welcome at Nebraska. Also, if we want a return of more dynamic offense, Pelini ain't your man.
I have no problem with solid hard hitting football and a strong defense. I cannot comment much about Pelini because I do not know. I like his Ohio roots. He seems like a Dantonio type coach. Unlike Flubbs, he seems like a competitive guy. That is what I mean by passion. I do not think the current hc cares about wins or losses.
I'll have to admit, Pelini hadn't crossed my mind before. He would definitely be worth an interview IF he was interested in the HC position. I remember he had several "insert foot in mouth" moments at Nebraska but the guy is tough, no nonsense, and is a true Ohio roots-guy. He's the opposite of Drubbs' smooth politician style that's for sure.
(10-31-2016 09:25 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: I just don’t see Kiffin coming here. I think he winds up with a P5 job. IMO our options are either P5 assistant coaches or between a few guys that coach at FCS, Sunbelt or C-USA level currently. The active head coahes I speak of:
Bo Pelini (YSU)- Ohio guy as his entire staff. He’s making $200K/year at YSU and living off his buyout from Nebraska. YSU has better asst. coaches than we currently do as well (Carl Pelini, Ron Stoops, Jr., Shane Montgomery, etc.). This staff would recruit the hell out of Ohio on name alone.
Jeff Brohm (WKU)- Louisville alum and native. Also has a better asst. staff than we do currently.
Neal Brown (Troy State)- Air Raid Offense. Coached as OC at several P5 stops and has turned Troy around.
Scott Satterfield (Appy State)- One of those guys who gets it done with little to no resources.
I think any one of those guys would be a good fit here.
By all accounts Pelini is a jerk, but I don't care. He wins a lot of games.
Neal Brown is intriguing; Troy State was a power while I was stationed at Fort Rucker. My worry would be his ability to recruit here.
I also think Brown is intriguing. He's from Danville, KY, played football at UK and was the OC there for 2 years prior to getting the Troy St. gig. So he's at least familiar with the general area - although I believe Vince Marrow is UK's ace recruiter in Ohio.
I know Greg Schiano has been mentioned but I have zero desire to see him at UC. I know he built Rutgers from the cellar of D1 football, but I was never impressed with him as a HC. He had one very good year at Rutgers (in which we absolutely smoked them btw) and never won the conference. We regularly outcoached and outplayed his teams that were ranked much higher than ours by the recruiting services (and he put a bunch of guys in the NFL). They just seemed to routinely underperform. Also, I believe Schiano's recruiting ties are generally with the NE. I think that's where he's focusing with OSU right now too.
(10-31-2016 09:25 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: I just don’t see Kiffin coming here. I think he winds up with a P5 job. IMO our options are either P5 assistant coaches or between a few guys that coach at FCS, Sunbelt or C-USA level currently. The active head coahes I speak of:
Bo Pelini (YSU)- Ohio guy as his entire staff. He’s making $200K/year at YSU and living off his buyout from Nebraska. YSU has better asst. coaches than we currently do as well (Carl Pelini, Ron Stoops, Jr., Shane Montgomery, etc.). This staff would recruit the hell out of Ohio on name alone.
Jeff Brohm (WKU)- Louisville alum and native. Also has a better asst. staff than we do currently.
Neal Brown (Troy State)- Air Raid Offense. Coached as OC at several P5 stops and has turned Troy around.
Scott Satterfield (Appy State)- One of those guys who gets it done with little to no resources.
I think any one of those guys would be a good fit here.
By all accounts Pelini is a jerk, but I don't care. He wins a lot of games.
Neal Brown is intriguing; Troy State was a power while I was stationed at Fort Rucker. My worry would be his ability to recruit here.
I also think Brown is intriguing. He's from Danville, KY, played football at UK and was the OC there for 2 years prior to getting the Troy St. gig. So he's at least familiar with the general area - although I believe Vince Marrow is UK's ace recruiter in Ohio.
I know Greg Schiano has been mentioned but I have zero desire to see him at UC. I know he built Rutgers from the cellar of D1 football, but I was never impressed with him as a HC. He had one very good year at Rutgers (in which we absolutely smoked them btw) and never won the conference. We regularly outcoached and outplayed his teams that were ranked much higher than ours by the recruiting services (and he put a bunch of guys in the NFL). They just seemed to routinely underperform. Also, I believe Schiano's recruiting ties are generally with the NE. I think that's where he's focusing with OSU right now too.
I would say no thanks to Schiano as well. Add Luke Fickell as a pass. TO$U has the best talent in college football, but they have been struggling and backsliding in recent weeks. Whoever comes here has to be able to do more with less.
(11-01-2016 09:29 AM)Racinejake Wrote: I also think Brown is intriguing. He's from Danville, KY, played football at UK and was the OC there for 2 years prior to getting the Troy St. gig. So he's at least familiar with the general area - although I believe Vince Marrow is UK's ace recruiter in Ohio.
I know Greg Schiano has been mentioned but I have zero desire to see him at UC. I know he built Rutgers from the cellar of D1 football, but I was never impressed with him as a HC. He had one very good year at Rutgers (in which we absolutely smoked them btw) and never won the conference. We regularly outcoached and outplayed his teams that were ranked much higher than ours by the recruiting services (and he put a bunch of guys in the NFL). They just seemed to routinely underperform. Also, I believe Schiano's recruiting ties are generally with the NE. I think that's where he's focusing with OSU right now too.
I think the key to recruiting for Brown would be to hire a local guy. The old Anderson HS coach on staff (Suriano http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-footb...39247.html) has done jack. I believe Specht will soon be available if you are up on all the rumors... also what about Elder coach Doug Ramsey..? Think he might be ready for a change..?
Coach Ramsey spoke at the gcyl coaches meetings held at UC earlier this year and seemed very pro-UC.
(10-31-2016 04:09 PM)Dannyboy Wrote: By all accounts Pelini is a jerk, but I don't care. He wins a lot of games.
Pelini definitely looks like a jerk with his mannerisms but it is definitely passionate. Something i miss
There's a difference between passion and being an a$$hole. He really wore out his welcome at Nebraska. Also, if we want a return of more dynamic offense, Pelini ain't your man.
I have no problem with solid hard hitting football and a strong defense. I cannot comment much about Pelini because I do not know. I like his Ohio roots. He seems like a Dantonio type coach. Unlike Flubbs, he seems like a competitive guy. That is what I mean by passion. I do not think the current hc cares about wins or losses.
I'll have to admit, Pelini hadn't crossed my mind before. He would definitely be worth an interview IF he was interested in the HC position. I remember he had several "insert foot in mouth" moments at Nebraska but the guy is tough, no nonsense, and is a true Ohio roots-guy. He's the opposite of Drubbs' smooth politician style that's for sure.
Pelini would be a great hire, but I seriously doubt he'd have any interest. If he did though, that would be a no brainer. I could care less about an exciting offense. I just want to win.
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(11-01-2016 09:29 AM)Racinejake Wrote: I also think Brown is intriguing. He's from Danville, KY, played football at UK and was the OC there for 2 years prior to getting the Troy St. gig. So he's at least familiar with the general area - although I believe Vince Marrow is UK's ace recruiter in Ohio.
I know Greg Schiano has been mentioned but I have zero desire to see him at UC. I know he built Rutgers from the cellar of D1 football, but I was never impressed with him as a HC. He had one very good year at Rutgers (in which we absolutely smoked them btw) and never won the conference. We regularly outcoached and outplayed his teams that were ranked much higher than ours by the recruiting services (and he put a bunch of guys in the NFL). They just seemed to routinely underperform. Also, I believe Schiano's recruiting ties are generally with the NE. I think that's where he's focusing with OSU right now too.
I think the key to recruiting for Brown would be to hire a local guy. The old Anderson HS coach on staff (Suriano http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-footb...39247.html) has done jack. I believe Specht will soon be available if you are up on all the rumors... also what about Elder coach Doug Ramsey..? Think he might be ready for a change..?
Coach Ramsey spoke at the gcyl coaches meetings held at UC earlier this year and seemed very pro-UC.
I'd personally prefer Pelini to Brown but either would be okay.
I think it would be a good move for Ramsey. I think for all parties involved it would be best if he moved on from Elder. 20 years as a HC is a long time in one place and I know a lot of former Elder players want Hilvert to take over the program. UC would probably be a good fit for him as an assistant. I'm just not sure what kind of a recruiter he would be. He doesn't really have the personality you would expect of a successful recruiter.
(This post was last modified: 11-01-2016 10:53 AM by Marcus.)
(10-31-2016 04:09 PM)Dannyboy Wrote: By all accounts Pelini is a jerk, but I don't care. He wins a lot of games.
Pelini definitely looks like a jerk with his mannerisms but it is definitely passionate. Something i miss
There's a difference between passion and being an a$$hole. He really wore out his welcome at Nebraska. Also, if we want a return of more dynamic offense, Pelini ain't your man.
I have no problem with solid hard hitting football and a strong defense. I cannot comment much about Pelini because I do not know. I like his Ohio roots. He seems like a Dantonio type coach. Unlike Flubbs, he seems like a competitive guy. That is what I mean by passion. I do not think the current hc cares about wins or losses.
I'll have to admit, Pelini hadn't crossed my mind before. He would definitely be worth an interview IF he was interested in the HC position. I remember he had several "insert foot in mouth" moments at Nebraska but the guy is tough, no nonsense, and is a true Ohio roots-guy. He's the opposite of Drubbs' smooth politician style that's for sure.
If you think Tuberville's "blaming the fans" for booing the team is bad, you have NO idea what Pelini would say or do under similar circumstances...
I want no part of the guy...
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More stuff to raise my blood pressure from Tuberville's presser today...
Tom Groeschen @TomGroeschen 1h1 hour ago
Tuberville on last year's #UC visit to BYU: Fun to go out there, not fun to lose. Scenic trip.
Tom Groeschen @TomGroeschen 1h1 hour ago
Tuberville: I knew this was going to be a tough year. Thought we'd play better on offense, running it. We're not as fast, quick on offense
BearcatsSportsRadio @bearcatsradio 1h1 hour ago
Non-conference win streak doesn't mean much for players or coaches...we just look at next game. -Coach Tuberville #Bearcats
BearcatsSportsRadio @bearcatsradio 1h1 hour ago
BYU presents a different offense than we're accustomed to in our conference. -Coach Tuberville #Bearcats
BearcatsSportsRadio @bearcatsradio 1h1 hour ago
Team doesn't really talk about bowl eligibility. They know what's at stake. All teams coming up are tough, so we're trying to play 4 qtrs.
Tom Groeschen @TomGroeschen 1h1 hour ago
Tuberville also says it's all on him. Still feels good about future. Not going to choose athleticism over academics, character.
Tom Groeschen @TomGroeschen 1h1 hour ago
We've got a lot of guys coming. You're not going to be good every year. But this isn't the future, we're trying to win now - Tuberville
BearcatsSportsRadio @bearcatsradio 1h1 hour ago
I still feel good about the future. But right now we've got to win as many games as we can to get to a bowl. -Coach Tuberville #Bearcats
Lance McAlister @LanceMcAlister 1h1 hour ago
#OhBrother
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(10-31-2016 04:48 PM)rosewater Wrote: Pelini definitely looks like a jerk with his mannerisms but it is definitely passionate. Something i miss
There's a difference between passion and being an a$$hole. He really wore out his welcome at Nebraska. Also, if we want a return of more dynamic offense, Pelini ain't your man.
I have no problem with solid hard hitting football and a strong defense. I cannot comment much about Pelini because I do not know. I like his Ohio roots. He seems like a Dantonio type coach. Unlike Flubbs, he seems like a competitive guy. That is what I mean by passion. I do not think the current hc cares about wins or losses.
I'll have to admit, Pelini hadn't crossed my mind before. He would definitely be worth an interview IF he was interested in the HC position. I remember he had several "insert foot in mouth" moments at Nebraska but the guy is tough, no nonsense, and is a true Ohio roots-guy. He's the opposite of Drubbs' smooth politician style that's for sure.
If you think Tuberville's "blaming the fans" for booing the team is bad, you have NO idea what Pelini would say or do under similar circumstances...
I want no part of the guy...
Plus his offenses at Nebraska were about as exciting as watching paint dry.
Quote:Pelini was dismissed as Nebraska's coach Sunday after a seven-year stint marked by an inability to restore the football team to prominence and too many embarrassing defeats.
Quote:Bad losses started to haunt Pelini after Nebraska moved to the Big Ten. The 70-31 pummeling by unranked Wisconsin in the 2012 conference championship game was the worst, followed closely by this year's 59-24 throttling by the Badgers in a game in which Melvin Gordon ran for a then-FBS record 408 yards.
Nebraska, as a ranked team, lost seven games by 17 or more points since 2011. No other ranked team has lost so many games so lopsidedly over that span, according to STATS.
Unexplainable blowout losses? Underperforming? Unable to restore the program to prominence? Sounds eerily similar. I'll pass.
Quote:Pelini was dismissed as Nebraska's coach Sunday after a seven-year stint marked by an inability to restore the football team to prominence and too many embarrassing defeats.
Quote:Bad losses started to haunt Pelini after Nebraska moved to the Big Ten. The 70-31 pummeling by unranked Wisconsin in the 2012 conference championship game was the worst, followed closely by this year's 59-24 throttling by the Badgers in a game in which Melvin Gordon ran for a then-FBS record 408 yards.
Nebraska, as a ranked team, lost seven games by 17 or more points since 2011. No other ranked team has lost so many games so lopsidedly over that span, according to STATS.
Unexplainable blowout losses? Underperforming? Unable to restore the program to prominence? Sounds eerily similar. I'll pass.
It would be deja vu all over again. Probably best to avoid retreads on their way back down the coaching ladder.
Another thing about Pelini is that he actually won a smaller percentage of games at Nebraska than Solich. Why in holy heck would we hire someone who is arguably inferior to a mid-level MAC coach?
On the other hand, it might be worth it to have a prominent figure that would rip into our pitiful media in Cincinnati.
(11-01-2016 01:12 PM)Tech Savy Wrote: Excellent comments from coach. He's not going to allow bad apples on this roster. He's got guys coming, a lot of guys. Program is in good hands, IMO.
Why do i read tubervilles comments i just get more heated about the situation we're in. I'm hoping the above quote is sarcasm.
Fire Bohn and his staff also. Time to clean house top to bottom and bring in some younger people with some fire at least. The football program is **** with this crew at the helm.
(11-01-2016 01:12 PM)Tech Savy Wrote: Excellent comments from coach. He's not going to allow bad apples on this roster. He's got guys coming, a lot of guys. Program is in good hands, IMO.
Why do i read tubervilles comments i just get more heated about the situation we're in. I'm hoping the above quote is sarcasm.
Fire Bohn and his staff also. Time to clean house top to bottom and bring in some younger people with some fire at least. The football program is **** with this crew at the helm.
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Tuberville SUCKS FIRE TUBERVILLE
