(03-01-2017 07:40 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  Nope not going to wade through all that.
The post on ETSU (And the other sites) are releases about ETSU related matters, Not Newspaper articles. Big difference.
They DO give all the information but they but put ETSU front and center, since people have made a the choice to go to the ETSU site
that means they want information abut ETSU. The stuff on ETSU's website should be 90% or more about ETSU.

While it's certainly your prerogative to not "wade through all that".....then don't say things that I've demonstrably shown (in "all that") not to be the case (specifically that "all the information" is there - as context makes all the difference in the world). You've got nearly 6,500 posts on this board. You could spend 3-4 minutes reading that if you wanted to. If you don't want to, though, that's fine. We apparently won't agree - whether you read it or not.

And, on the same hand, if you think that if ETSU finishes 4th out of 4 teams in some event is the same as if there were 12 teams in that event, then so be it. But clearly that *should* make a difference to you, or you wouldn't have brought up the different number of conference games when comparing years' records last year (3-7-16). CONTEXT MATTERS.

(03-01-2017 12:22 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  And, on the same hand, if you think that if ETSU finishes 4th out of 4 teams in some event is the same as if there were 12 teams in that event, then so be it. But clearly that *should* make a difference to you, or you wouldn't have brought up the different number of conference games when comparing years' records last year (3-7-16). CONTEXT MATTERS.

That is seriously comparing apples to oranges. If ETSU is in a match of some sort then yes they should say who won, in something like golf I don't think it needs a lot of ink.. Team X won the 12 school event with a score of... and Team y was 4 shots behind. Player 1 won with a score of.. That is about all we need, spend the space on telling us how the ETSU players did, good or bad. SoCon hands out awards sure mention who won (they did) but that is all the ink that needs, ETSU fans aren't going to care. Spend the time on the important stuff, OUR players. I don't get your logic..(used loosely) that ETSU needs to spend time on THIER website touting the accomplishments of another schools players. Not what it for. NEVER has been for that and I haven't seen any school who DOES do that.

(03-01-2017 02:18 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 12:22 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  And, on the same hand, if you think that if ETSU finishes 4th out of 4 teams in some event is the same as if there were 12 teams in that event, then so be it. But clearly that *should* make a difference to you, or you wouldn't have brought up the different number of conference games when comparing years' records last year (3-7-16). CONTEXT MATTERS.

That is seriously comparing apples to oranges. If ETSU is in a match of some sort then yes they should say who won, in something like golf I don't think it needs a lot of ink.. Team X won the 12 school event with a score of... and Team y was 4 shots behind. Player 1 won with a score of.. That is about all we need, spend the space on telling us how the ETSU players did, good or bad. SoCon hands out awards sure mention who won (they did) but that is all the ink that needs, ETSU fans aren't going to care. Spend the time on the important stuff, OUR players. I don't get your logic..(used loosely) that ETSU needs to spend time on THIER website touting the accomplishments of another schools players. Not what it for. NEVER has been for that and I haven't seen any school who DOES do that.

But see........they don't even give that. In the golf story I posted, no recognition of the winning team (team X); no recognition of the winning individual; no idea who she lost to; no idea by how many strokes; no idea how many teams in the tournament. Were we playing against Milligan, King, and UVA-Wise, or against more highly regarded teams?
To read your response, even *you* agree with me - just not on the extent.

I think that story is totally inexcusable. Without context it's nearly meaningless. Yes, I could click on the link here in cyberspace, but you know they send the same press release to the JC Press and all other print and broadcast media, where that info can't be accessed.

And hey - even Steve Forbes in the video about his salary and cutting the nets down and so forth used the term "SID". *HE* agrees with me, apparently!

Will we be treated to a story from Asheville like: "ETSU fell short in their bid to reach the NCAA tournament over the weekend, tying for 3rd in the Southern Conference Tournament, but T.J. Cromer had 17 points in the losing effort. Tevin Glass and A.J. Merriweather each had 8 rebounds." Blah blah blah. Really? Does not that sound absurd? That's *exactly* how that golf story reads.

Total spin just drags down the meaningfulness *and* credibility of the releases. You can add positive slant, and accentuate the ETSU stuff - but make it mean something while you're at it. Come on, Mike - you know I'm right. The truth will set you free.

(03-02-2017 01:21 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  But see........they don't even give that. In the golf story I posted, no recognition of the winning team (team X); no recognition of the winning individual; no idea who she lost to; no idea by how many strokes; no idea how many teams in the tournament. Were we playing against Milligan, King, and UVA-Wise, or against more highly regarded teams?
To read your response, even *you* agree with me - just not on the extent.

I think that story is totally inexcusable. [u][b]Without context it's nearly meaningless.

Okay last word from me, so you can have final word and "win"
Like I said apples and oranges. I do agree the gold story was handled wrong BUT we aren't talking about that story and no clue why you brought it up.

1. The golf story about an actual match (or game) has nothing to do with how a story about ETSU players winning award
2. They awards story DID say who won, so again not comparable to the golf story
3. These are NOT news stories, they are press releases about ETSU accomplishments, if you want in depth information you came to the wrong place.

So okay the war of attrition is over, it is really hard to keep debating something when I can't see anything valid about your position (silly comes to mind when I do try). So okay, You win.

Well Tarter had a career night of 39 points in tonight's women's loss. This has been a disappointing year for the women. Tarter is a great player, but the teams that we play are so much more balanced and this season with Tarter has been similar to Tim Smith's senior year on the men's side regarding the lack of team basketball.

Coach needs to recruit better free throw shooters, much better forwards, and develop her players better if we are going to have continued success on the women's side.

Tarter was terrific in the game, especially late. She, unfortunately, was all of our offense. Bridges was ice cold from three and we had no other scoring options.

Hate to see their season in that way. They were just too one-dimensional.

(03-02-2017 08:28 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  Well Tarter had a career night of 39 points in tonight's women's loss. This has been a disappointing year for the women. Tarter is a great player, but the teams that we play are so much more balanced and this season with Tarter has been similar to Tim Smith's senior year on the men's side regarding the lack of team basketball.

Coach needs to recruit better free throw shooters, much better forwards, and develop her players better if we are going to have continued success on the women's side.

I saw five women's games in person, and watched about the same number on the web. And while anyone would agree that we would be better off being more balanced, with all due respect, I entirely disagree with the comparison of TT and TS and the "team basketball" comment, at least based on the games I saw. I don't think you can put the label on TT that she doesn't play team basketball. I think she played the way she did because 1) she was coached to do it, and 2) because she literally had to carry the team at times after we lost almost all front court presence from last year's team. I saw almost every game of the TS show back in the day, and comparing TT's team play to his... that's a bit harsh, and not a fair characterization of her play. That's my eyeball view, not a "metrics" analysis; maybe somebody could look at stats like turnovers and efficiency and tell me I'm wrong. But picking teams, I'd pick her first over anybody else in the league. I'm not sure I'd have picked TS first, even though he was an exceptional and gifted talent.

Recruiting the last 3 years has seen far too many misses and not enough hits. Offense is not developing from most of the team (other than Raven Dean). On paper this team had potential, but it wound up middling to below middling in the SoCon. The better SoCon teams beat us soundly, and we even lost to some of the weaker ones. The team was too often frustrating to watch. We need better talent, and better development of what is there. Hate to be negative, but there were too few signs of growth and development here.

My post wasn't meant to be a critique of Tarter, she is indeed exceptional. Perhaps my memory is wrong, but I remember many of us (and Smith himself) talk about the possibility of him playing in the NBA. No player since then has been in that discussion. I think Tarter is similarly a great player.

I do think it is fair to critique Ezell's coaching this year. For entire quarters, the game plan was to give the ball to Tarter and let everyone else stand around watching her. I am no coach, but that seems like a good way to win a game here and there but not a way to develop the team. In the long run, you can't win when you are so 1 dimensional. And in the games that Tarter happens to be off her game, we had little chance.

To be fair, we don't see the practices, the work ethic of the players, etc. I just hope that we have a plan for when Tarter graduates. This year is a very important recruiting year.

Tianna is one of the best all time players for the Bucs and she is a pleasure to watch. It is not her fault there is not a good team around her. That is the coaching staff's responsibility and the team is not where it needs to be. It is not an excuse to say we cannot recruit players of the size and talent to rebound, play interior defense and make inside shots. Other teams in our league are doing it and it shows.

I agree with everyone here. Recruiting has been absolutely atrocious. It's a shame to have a program changer like Tarter and not to have anyone to put with her. Ezell won with Kemps players but her and her assistants need a better eye for talent

I hate this, I really do. By all accounts from people down here, she's well liked and was great at her high school. But honestly, that's probably where she's going to end up long term if things don't get a lot better soon. She's had time, and funding isn't an issue. No excuse in tonight whatsoever.

Sorry such an awesome performance went for naught.

And, I'm surprised that they (the ETSU site) actually give the name of the team that beat ETSU in this story, although that's essentially all we know about them - other than maybe that Samford's (the team that won the game) 41.9% shooting in the first half was "staggering". ETSU shot 50.0% in the second half, so I don't know what they'd call that? "Uber-staggering"? "Mega-staggering"? Or simply just "beyond staggering"? Not a single player for Samford is mentioned or named.

Will whatever story(ies) that come(s) out from the men's game(s) have that/those glaring omissions? Stay tuned.

(03-03-2017 01:34 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  Sorry such an awesome performance went for naught.

And, I'm surprised that they (the ETSU site) actually give the name of the team that beat ETSU in this story, although that's essentially all we know about them - other than maybe that Samford's (the team that won the game) 41.9% shooting in the first half was "staggering". ETSU shot 50.0% in the second half, so I don't know what they'd call that? "Uber-staggering"? "Mega-staggering"? Or simply just "beyond staggering"? Not a single player for Samford is mentioned or named.

Will whatever story(ies) that come(s) out from the men's game(s) have that/those glaring omissions? Stay tuned.

There were 3 sentences in that paragraph, you mentioned the first about Samford, guess you didn't read the last one?

The blue and gold outscored Samford, 46-30 in the second half, shooting a remarkable 50 percent from the floor.

There, the word you were looking for was remarkable.

(03-03-2017 02:12 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(03-03-2017 01:34 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  Sorry such an awesome performance went for naught.

And, I'm surprised that they (the ETSU site) actually give the name of the team that beat ETSU in this story, although that's essentially all we know about them - other than maybe that Samford's (the team that won the game) 41.9% shooting in the first half was "staggering". ETSU shot 50.0% in the second half, so I don't know what they'd call that? "Uber-staggering"? "Mega-staggering"? Or simply just "beyond staggering"? Not a single player for Samford is mentioned or named.

Will whatever story(ies) that come(s) out from the men's game(s) have that/those glaring omissions? Stay tuned.

There were 3 sentences in that paragraph, you mentioned the first about Samford, guess you didn't read the last one?

The blue and gold outscored Samford, 46-30 in the second half, shooting a remarkable 50 percent from the floor.

There, the word you were looking for was remarkable.

Actually, I did, but somehow didn't absorb it. I was reading it very carefully to see if there was any mention of a single Samford player. So thank you. That said, I had no idea that "remarkable" trumps "staggering". In my book it doesn't, but I'm also not a professional writer (most of the time).

(03-02-2017 10:16 PM)ETSUAlumni Wrote:  I agree with everyone here. Recruiting has been absolutely atrocious. It's a shame to have a program changer like Tarter and not to have anyone to put with her. Ezell won with Kemps players but her and her assistants need a better eye for talent

Ok but wait a minute. Wasn't it Ezell who got Tarter to look at ETSU after she had crossed it (and Kemp) off her list? And weren't the Marosite twins some of the hottest recruits to come out of our area the year they graduated? Obviously they haven't realized their full potential yet, but I remember they were recruited by some larger programs.

Not saying this years performance wasn't lacking, but I don't know if recruiting was the main problem.

(03-04-2017 09:34 AM)Efan Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:16 PM)ETSUAlumni Wrote:  I agree with everyone here. Recruiting has been absolutely atrocious. It's a shame to have a program changer like Tarter and not to have anyone to put with her. Ezell won with Kemps players but her and her assistants need a better eye for talent

Ok but wait a minute. Wasn't it Ezell who got Tarter to look at ETSU after she had crossed it (and Kemp) off her list? And weren't the Marosite twins some of the hottest recruits to come out of our area the year they graduated? Obviously they haven't realized their full potential yet, but I remember they were recruited by some larger programs.

Not saying this years performance wasn't lacking, but I don't know if recruiting was the main problem.

This year's recruiting class looked good on paper - with All State credentials in Tennessee for Anajae Stephney as well as the Marosites and for Jada Craig in North Carolina.

But so far this has not panned out on the Court at all. One year isn't decisive (see Tommy Hubbard, Rashawn Rembert, et al.). We've had guys with NO impact at all as freshmen become excellent players.

But there has been very little impact so far. And the year tailed down in conference with not much improvement. I really look for the positive side, and there's not enough of it on the women's side at this point.

I wasn't just referring to the recruiting class this year. I think Ezell is a great person. But go back and look at everyone she recruited since she has been here. She inherited Maria Bond, Destiny Mitchell, Serena Clark, and maybe Bridges. Outside of Tarter we haven't had anyone near their talent.

Whining like a bunch of Vole fans.

(03-04-2017 11:22 AM)BucDoctor Wrote:  Whining like a bunch of Vole fans.

Vols have a lot complain about, Holly is running thst program into the ground.