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RE: A "great" Coach does this: wins at UNLV, not Texas
(10-28-2016 03:51 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  
(10-26-2016 08:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The ole ball coach said the same thing.

It's why Bill Snyder may be the finest coach to ever walk the sideline.
I'm not sure Snyder is the finest coach ever, but he's certainly one of the best matches of coach to school that you can find. His way of getting the most out of the resources he has is a perfect match for K-State. He's certainly one of those guys who fits one of the criteria of a good coach, in terms of the fact that he seldom loses to teams that he "should" beat.

Good post.

I wish Army's coach would learn that.
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RE: A "great" Coach does this: wins at UNLV, not Texas
(10-27-2016 10:30 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  
(10-26-2016 07:54 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(10-26-2016 06:07 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  On the flip side of that coin, however, is that "great" coaches want to be in situations with (optimally) rich history, high priced resources, sparkling new facilities and strong fan support. Great coaches, given their needed ego, need to have this things in order to be consistently pushed in order to "be better". Saban has everything he can ever want at Alabama - and the man is still not satisfied with where he is or where his program is. Meyer is no different, even after coming "home" and coaching his favorite school growing up.

Great coaches are never at peace, regardless of where they coach, but they do like their ego fed with amenities that allow them to get an advantage over their counterparts.

Having said that, Saban won at Toledo, Meyer at Bowling Green, Harbaugh at San Diego, Beamer at Murray State, Kelly at Grand Valley State, etc. Great coaches win anywhere, but when they have an opportunity to coach on the biggest stage with a huge paycheck and infinite resources, who's to say it's wrong to take that opportunity?

Saban and Urban Meyer are never satisfied. I get that. What better way to prove greatness than take a Tulane or a UNLV to greatness? Can you imagine the press conference: I've decided to take on the impossible. I'm going to coach at a school not part of the power structure and win a national championship."
I for one would follow every single moment of Urban Meyers career at San Diego St and Nick Saban's career at Tulane as they tried to make the impossible possible. That would be the ballsiest thing I can think of for a coach who says he's "never satisfied."
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Tulane? Are you kidding me? If Saban wanted to prove he could do the impossible he would go back to Kent State where he started and perform the miracle with that. You win a championship at Kent State in football you can win it anywhere lol.

Tulane is about 10x harder to win at than Kent State.

Tulane, despite having more resources, is rooted to the bottom of the AAC in terms of fan support/winning tradition - which is a growing conference with 3-4 top-25ish teams at any given time.

There is far less in the way of Kent State. The top MAC teams are less dangerous and don't pull 3*/4* kids from P5 schools.

Tulane is one of the hardest jobs in college football - despite the higher possible ceiling.
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RE: A "great" Coach does this: wins at UNLV, not Texas
(10-28-2016 08:16 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(10-27-2016 10:30 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  
(10-26-2016 07:54 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(10-26-2016 06:07 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  On the flip side of that coin, however, is that "great" coaches want to be in situations with (optimally) rich history, high priced resources, sparkling new facilities and strong fan support. Great coaches, given their needed ego, need to have this things in order to be consistently pushed in order to "be better". Saban has everything he can ever want at Alabama - and the man is still not satisfied with where he is or where his program is. Meyer is no different, even after coming "home" and coaching his favorite school growing up.

Great coaches are never at peace, regardless of where they coach, but they do like their ego fed with amenities that allow them to get an advantage over their counterparts.

Having said that, Saban won at Toledo, Meyer at Bowling Green, Harbaugh at San Diego, Beamer at Murray State, Kelly at Grand Valley State, etc. Great coaches win anywhere, but when they have an opportunity to coach on the biggest stage with a huge paycheck and infinite resources, who's to say it's wrong to take that opportunity?

Saban and Urban Meyer are never satisfied. I get that. What better way to prove greatness than take a Tulane or a UNLV to greatness? Can you imagine the press conference: I've decided to take on the impossible. I'm going to coach at a school not part of the power structure and win a national championship."
I for one would follow every single moment of Urban Meyers career at San Diego St and Nick Saban's career at Tulane as they tried to make the impossible possible. That would be the ballsiest thing I can think of for a coach who says he's "never satisfied."
Cheers!

Tulane? Are you kidding me? If Saban wanted to prove he could do the impossible he would go back to Kent State where he started and perform the miracle with that. You win a championship at Kent State in football you can win it anywhere lol.

Tulane is about 10x harder to win at than Kent State.

Tulane, despite having more resources, is rooted to the bottom of the AAC in terms of fan support/winning tradition - which is a growing conference with 3-4 top-25ish teams at any given time.

There is far less in the way of Kent State. The top MAC teams are less dangerous and don't pull 3*/4* kids from P5 schools.

Tulane is one of the hardest jobs in college football - despite the higher possible ceiling.

Oh please that is a laugh. Tulane's problems are due to their own incompetence. By and large they were not good when they were in CUSA and they were with programs with far less money. Your fan support and lack of winning is your own fault and not due to it being more difficult. The AAC is not so tough that Tulane could not win if they made better choices.

Besides the top MAC teams are plenty dangerous it is the bottom being so bad that makes it fall behind the conference race. In fact this is another problem if you think the AAC is so good this undermines your point. Being from the MAC Kent would have to work harder to get the same level of respect that some other teams would get for the same record.

Winning a national championship at Kent for FBS football would be harder than Tulane because you have to compete with a conference full of similar programs, you have to beat out all the rest of the G5 including your vaunted AAC, and then beat out all but three P5 teams for the honor. By saying you think the AAC is so good you implicitly are believing that winning that puts you ahead of the MAC meaning you unintentionally are saying it is easier than it would be for Kent.
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A "great" Coach does this: wins at UNLV, not Texas
(10-26-2016 05:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  With all the rumors about big coaching jobs at Texas and USC coming up and names like Herman and Kiffen and being tossed around...I thought of something. What if Nick Saben or Urban Meyer took over at UNLV or a Tulane? Any good coach can do great things at Alabama or Texas but UNLV? That would prove greatness in my opinion. Could Meyer elevate a UNLV into a powerhouse? Would they ever have the guts to try?

Terry Bowden is about as close to this scenario as you'll get.
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RE: A "great" Coach does this: wins at UNLV, not Texas
To truly test this theory, I will offer New Mexico State as an ideal living laboratory...
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(10-29-2016 08:57 PM)NuMexAg Wrote:  To truly test this theory, I will offer New Mexico State as an ideal living laboratory...

Hahaha....imagine the excitement if Urban Meyer said I'm going to prove to the world that New Mexico St can be a national title contender. All of college football would watch to see if the impossible could happen there. That's my point here, I'd love to see a great coach in his prime try something insane like this.
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(10-29-2016 08:57 PM)NuMexAg Wrote:  To truly test this theory, I will offer New Mexico State as an ideal living laboratory...

If it makes you feel any better, I played with NMSU on NCAA Football a few times to basically try that, I made it to a few BCS bowls and probably averaged close to 500 yards of offense per game.
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