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FL -- Kaine rally: 30 people show up; Pence rally: Overflow crowd, 1000 turned away
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30 times more people were turned away from a Pence rally than even showed up at a Kaine rally in Florida.

Quote:MOMENTUM – Florida Ground and Data Report: Mike Pence Rallies Draw More Support Than Clinton/Kaine Combined…


“Nearly 1,000 supporters were shut out of the Pence rally in Cocoa, Florida Monday. Stunned organizers had made no plans for the over 800 people who could not get in the filled-to-capacity Space Coast Convention Center.

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PEGGY NOONAN'S BLOG
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Nov 5, 2012 11:35 am ET
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We begin with the three words everyone writing about the election must say: Nobody knows anything. Everyone’s guessing. I spent Sunday morning in Washington with journalists and political hands, one of whom said she feels it’s Obama, the rest of whom said they don’t know. I think it’s Romney. I think he’s stealing in “like a thief with good tools,” in Walker Percy’s old words. While everyone is looking at the polls and the storm, Romney’s slipping into the presidency. He’s quietly rising, and he’s been rising for a while.

Obama and the storm, it was like a wave that lifted him and then moved on, leaving him where he’d been. Parts of Jersey and New York are a cold Katrina. The exact dimensions of the disaster will become clearer when the election is over. One word: infrastructure. Officials knew the storm was coming and everyone knew it would be bad, but the people of the tristate area were not aware, until now, just how vulnerable to deep damage their physical system was. The people in charge of that system are the politicians. Mayor Bloomberg wanted to have the Marathon, to show New York’s spirit. In Staten Island last week they were bitterly calling it “the race through the ruins.” There is a disconnect.

But to the election. Who knows what to make of the weighting of the polls and the assumptions as to who will vote? Who knows the depth and breadth of each party’s turnout efforts? Among the wisest words spoken this cycle were by John Dickerson of CBS News and Slate, who said, in a conversation the night before the last presidential debate, that he thought maybe the American people were quietly cooking something up, something we don’t know about.

I think they are and I think it’s this: a Romney win.

Romney’s crowds are building—28,000 in Morrisville, Pa., last night; 30,000 in West Chester, Ohio, Friday It isn’t only a triumph of advance planning: People came, they got through security and waited for hours in the cold. His rallies look like rallies now, not enactments. In some new way he’s caught his stride. He looks happy and grateful. His closing speech has been positive, future-looking, sweetly patriotic. His closing ads are sharp—the one about what’s going on at the rallies is moving.

All the vibrations are right. A person who is helping him who is not a longtime Romneyite told me, yesterday: “I joined because I was anti Obama—I’m a patriot, I’ll join up But now I am pro-Romney.” Why? “I’ve spent time with him and I care about him and admire him. He’s a genuinely good man.” Looking at the crowds on TV, hearing them chant “Three more days” and “Two more days”—it feels like a lot of Republicans have gone from anti-Obama to pro-Romney.

Something old is roaring back. One of the Romney campaign’s surrogates, who appeared at a rally with him the other night, spoke of the intensity and joy of the crowd “I worked the rope line, people wouldn’t let go of my hand.” It startled him. A former political figure who’s been in Ohio told me this morning something is moving with evangelicals, other church-going Protestants and religious Catholics. He said what’s happening with them is quiet, unreported and spreading: They really want Romney now, they’ll go out and vote, the election has taken on a new importance to them.

There is no denying the Republicans have the passion now, the enthusiasm. The Democrats do not. Independents are breaking for Romney. And there’s the thing about the yard signs. In Florida a few weeks ago I saw Romney signs, not Obama ones. From Ohio I hear the same. From tony Northwest Washington, D.C., I hear the same.

Is it possible this whole thing is playing out before our eyes and we’re not really noticing because we’re too busy looking at data on paper instead of what’s in front of us? Maybe that’s the real distortion of the polls this year: They left us discounting the world around us.

And there is Obama, out there seeming tired and wan, showing up through sheer self discipline. A few weeks ago I saw the president and the governor at the Al Smith dinner, and both were beautiful specimens in their white ties and tails, and both worked the dais. But sitting there listening to the jokes and speeches, the archbishop of New York sitting between them, Obama looked like a young challenger—flinty, not so comfortable. He was distracted, and his smiles seemed forced. He looked like a man who’d just seen some bad internal polling. Romney? Expansive, hilarious, self-spoofing, with a few jokes of finely calibrated meanness that were just perfect for the crowd. He looked like a president. He looked like someone who’d just seen good internals.

Of all people, Obama would know if he is in trouble. When it comes to national presidential races, he is a finely tuned political instrument: He read the field perfectly in 2008. He would know if he’s losing now, and it would explain his joylessness on the stump. He is out there doing what he has to to fight the fight. But he’s still trying to fire up the base when he ought to be wooing the center and speaking their calm centrist talk. His crowds haven’t been big. His people have struggled to fill various venues. This must hurt the president after the trememdous, stupendous crowds of ’08. “Voting’s the best revenge”—revenge against who, and for what? This is not a man who feels himself on the verge of a grand victory. His campaign doesn’t seem president-sized. It is small and sad and lost, driven by formidable will and zero joy.

I suspect both Romney and Obama have a sense of what’s coming, and it’s part of why Romney looks so peaceful and Obama so roiled.

Romney ends most rallies with his story of the Colorado scout troop that in 1986 had an American flag put in the space shuttle Challenger, saw the Challenger blow up as they watched on TV, and then found, through the persistence of their scoutmaster, that the flag had survived the explosion. It was returned to them by NASA officials. When Romney, afterward, was shown the flag, he touched it, and an electric jolt went up his arm. It’s a nice story. He doesn’t make its meaning fully clear. But maybe he means it as a metaphor for America: It can go through a terrible time, a catastrophe, as it has economically the past five years, and still emerge whole, intact, enduring.

Maybe that’s what the coming Romney moment is about: independents, conservatives, Republicans, even some Democrats, thinking: We can turn it around, we can work together, we can right this thing, and he can help.
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Not reading that wall of text, but I imagine it says crowds don't mean anything because Romney/Obama. You could also reference HRC/Bernie, but it's been confirmed she stole that one.

Obama was sold as a young, hip black guy that shot hoops and was going to give everyone a phone, free health care and was going to pay their mortgage. You had a reason to go run out and vote for him. Granted, it turned out to all be a fraud, but I digress. HRC is an abject, psychopathic demon from hell that wants to destroy the planet.

All I can say is that you better hope the "crowds don't mean anything" logic holds up, because I am becoming more and more convinced that HRC supporters simply don't exist outside of those too dumb to not see through the mirage. No one can find them in large numbers anywhere in the country.
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(10-25-2016 04:54 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Not reading that wall of text, but I imagine it says crowds don't mean anything because Romney/Obama. You could also reference HRC/Bernie, but it's been confirmed she stole that one.

Obama was sold as a young, hip black guy that shot hoops and was going to give everyone a phone, free health care and was going to pay their mortgage. You had a reason to go run out and vote for him. Granted, it turned out to all be a fraud, but I digress. HRC is an abject, psychopathic demon from hell that wants to destroy the planet.

All I can say is that you better hope the "crowds don't mean anything" logic holds up, because I am becoming more and more convinced that HRC supporters simply don't exist outside of those too dumb to not see through the mirage. No one can find them in large numbers anywhere in the country.

Except dozens of scientific pollsters of all party stripes. She's even winning LAT, Ras and IBD now.

Tl;dr Peggy Noonan is crowing about Romney's 30,000+ crowd sizes heading into the 2012 election. There are plenty more examples (Bernie, Ron Paul, McGovern) but suffice to say it's well established that crowd sizes don't much matter. The bombastic flag waving Trump supporter's vote counts just as much as the "Hillary, I guess"-er's.

The deck was stacked against Bernie but it wasn't stolen. I say this as someone who was pretty close to the Bernie campaign. We knew the deck was stacked all along and the Wikileaks revelations haven't been too surprising.
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Putin kept the crowds away.
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(10-25-2016 06:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Putin kept the crowds away.

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(10-25-2016 07:49 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(10-25-2016 06:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Putin kept the crowds away.

With the boxer from Rocky IV.

Oh Rocky, please save us!
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(10-25-2016 07:49 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(10-25-2016 06:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Putin kept the crowds away.

With the boxer from Rocky IV.

Oh Rocky, please save us!

Well when that big scum-bum tells me he's going to break me, you bet your a$$ I'm not going!! 03-lmfao

Bonus points if anyone gets my scum-bum reference.
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(10-25-2016 07:54 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-25-2016 07:49 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(10-25-2016 06:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Putin kept the crowds away.

With the boxer from Rocky IV.

Oh Rocky, please save us!

Well when that big scum-bum tells me he's going to break me, you bet your a$$ I'm not going!! 03-lmfao

Bonus points if anyone gets my scum-bum reference.



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(10-25-2016 07:54 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-25-2016 07:49 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(10-25-2016 06:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Putin kept the crowds away.

With the boxer from Rocky IV.

Oh Rocky, please save us!

Well when that big scum-bum tells me he's going to break me, you bet your a$$ I'm not going!! 03-lmfao

Bonus points if anyone gets my scum-bum reference.

Edited version for sum-_itch.

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(10-25-2016 08:34 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-25-2016 07:54 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-25-2016 07:49 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(10-25-2016 06:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Putin kept the crowds away.

With the boxer from Rocky IV.

Oh Rocky, please save us!

Well when that big scum-bum tells me he's going to break me, you bet your a$$ I'm not going!! 03-lmfao

Bonus points if anyone gets my scum-bum reference.

Edited version for sum-_itch.

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(10-25-2016 05:23 PM)Max Power Wrote:  
(10-25-2016 04:54 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Not reading that wall of text, but I imagine it says crowds don't mean anything because Romney/Obama. You could also reference HRC/Bernie, but it's been confirmed she stole that one.

Obama was sold as a young, hip black guy that shot hoops and was going to give everyone a phone, free health care and was going to pay their mortgage. You had a reason to go run out and vote for him. Granted, it turned out to all be a fraud, but I digress. HRC is an abject, psychopathic demon from hell that wants to destroy the planet.

All I can say is that you better hope the "crowds don't mean anything" logic holds up, because I am becoming more and more convinced that HRC supporters simply don't exist outside of those too dumb to not see through the mirage. No one can find them in large numbers anywhere in the country.

Except dozens of scientific pollsters of all party stripes. She's even winning LAT, Ras and IBD now.

Tl;dr Peggy Noonan is crowing about Romney's 30,000+ crowd sizes heading into the 2012 election. There are plenty more examples (Bernie, Ron Paul, McGovern) but suffice to say it's well established that crowd sizes don't much matter. The bombastic flag waving Trump supporter's vote counts just as much as the "Hillary, I guess"-er's.

The deck was stacked against Bernie but it wasn't stolen. I say this as someone who was pretty close to the Bernie campaign. We knew the deck was stacked all along and the Wikileaks revelations haven't been too surprising.
You may be right, but Will you acknowledge that there is a difference between Romney drawing a couple of big crowds in October v. Trump drawing big crowds for almost an entire calendar year
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Impressive...
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Curious where in Florida this was, if it's anywhere north of I-4 this rally was doomed from the millisecond they booked the venue.
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(10-25-2016 09:47 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Curious where in Florida this was, if it's anywhere north of I-4 this rally was doomed from the millisecond they booked the venue.

West Palm Beach, I believe.
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(10-25-2016 05:23 PM)Max Power Wrote:  
(10-25-2016 04:54 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Not reading that wall of text, but I imagine it says crowds don't mean anything because Romney/Obama. You could also reference HRC/Bernie, but it's been confirmed she stole that one.

Obama was sold as a young, hip black guy that shot hoops and was going to give everyone a phone, free health care and was going to pay their mortgage. You had a reason to go run out and vote for him. Granted, it turned out to all be a fraud, but I digress. HRC is an abject, psychopathic demon from hell that wants to destroy the planet.

All I can say is that you better hope the "crowds don't mean anything" logic holds up, because I am becoming more and more convinced that HRC supporters simply don't exist outside of those too dumb to not see through the mirage. No one can find them in large numbers anywhere in the country.

Except dozens of scientific pollsters of all party stripes. She's even winning LAT, Ras and IBD now.

Tl;dr Peggy Noonan is crowing about Romney's 30,000+ crowd sizes heading into the 2012 election. There are plenty more examples (Bernie, Ron Paul, McGovern) but suffice to say it's well established that crowd sizes don't much matter. The bombastic flag waving Trump supporter's vote counts just as much as the "Hillary, I guess"-er's.

The deck was stacked against Bernie but it wasn't stolen. I say this as someone who was pretty close to the Bernie campaign. We knew the deck was stacked all along and the Wikileaks revelations haven't been too surprising.


So now You do admit the Wikileaks are indeed real and what the campaign is all about. Win at all cost, no matter what it takes !02-13-banana
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30 times more people were turned away from a Pence rally than even showed up at a Kaine rally.

Quote:MOMENTUM – Florida Ground and Data Report: Mike Pence Rallies Draw More Support Than Clinton/Kaine Combined…


“Nearly 1,000 supporters were shut out of the Pence rally in Cocoa, Florida Monday. Stunned organizers had made no plans for the over 800 people who could not get in the filled-to-capacity Space Coast Convention Center.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/201...-combined/
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