The Giants aren't an original NFL franchise?

(10-28-2016 11:58 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The Giants aren't an original NFL franchise?

No - they didn't start until 1925

The original 10 teams were the Akron Pros, Canton Bulldogs, Cleveland Tigers, Dayton Triangles, Decatur Staleys (NOW THE BEARS), Hammond Pros, Muncie Flyers, Racine (CHICAGO) Cardinals, Rock Island Independents, and Rochester Jeffersons.

The 4 teams that joined the APFA in its inaugural season were the Buffalo All-Americans, Chicago Tigers, Detroit Heralds, and Columbus Panhandles.

(10-28-2016 11:58 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The Giants aren't an original NFL franchise?

Think of the early NFL as like an indy baseball league, arena football, or low level minor league hockey. It was a regional league centered around small and medium midwestern cities with very unstable membership.

(10-28-2016 12:17 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(10-28-2016 11:58 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The Giants aren't an original NFL franchise?

Think of the early NFL as like an indy baseball league, arena football, or low level minor league hockey. It was a regional league centered around small and medium midwestern cities with very unstable membership.

Or sometimes they played only away games:

From wiki:
"The Oorang Indians were a traveling team in the National Football League from LaRue, Ohio. The franchise was a novelty team put together by Walter Lingo to market his Oorang dog kennels. All of the Indians players were Native American, with Jim Thorpe serving as its leading player and coach. The team played in the National Football League in 1922 and 1923. Of the 20 games they played over two seasons, only one was played at "home" in nearby Marion. With a population well under a thousand people, LaRue remains the smallest town ever to have been the home of an NFL franchise, or probably any professional team in any league in the United States."

(10-28-2016 11:18 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 09:46 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 11:26 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 03:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 01:45 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  To add to Frank's answer - White Sox fandom outside of the southside/South suburbs is rare.

All the outlying/rural/small cities in Illinois from a line that goes from Champaign northwest (north of Springfield) is Cubs territory, as well as a lot of Iowa.

South of that line the Cardinals (baseball only) start to take over. I was a minority as a Cub fan growing up in Springfield.

Good point. My dad grew up in Nokomis, IL, about 220 miles from Chicago but only 85 miles from St Louis. He's a lifelong (baseball) Cardinals fan and everyone he knew growing up was too, but he also has always been a Bears fan, never a Cardinals (football) fan.

Yup - the Football Cardinals didn't make an impact outside of the immediate St. Louis area - even then, most of the Illinois side were and still are Bears fans.

The Chicago Bears invented professional football. George Halas was the league's first commissioner. They have won 9 NFL titles, 7 while the Cardinals were in Chicago. The Bears have 34 Hall of Fame inductees of which 27 spent a majority of their career with the Bears. I can't name a Cardinals Hall of Famer from the Chicago period.

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Incorrect - the Decatur Staleys did not exist until 1920. The Cardinals were formed in 1898. There were pro leagues in Ohio, PA, Indiana and Ill/Wisconsin prior to the formation of the NFL.

The Cardinals were one of the original NFL Franchises, one of only two still in existence (Bears are the other)

The Cardinals "existence" does not invalidate any point I made. In fact that just reinforces that tbey basically sucked for a hlf century while the Bears became The Monsters of the Midway.

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What an awful franchise. Many have done more in half the time.

Cubs fans are like Cardinals, Brewers and Reds fans. Horribly annoying, demanding and self-righteous

(10-27-2016 09:46 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 11:26 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 03:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 01:45 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  To add to Frank's answer - White Sox fandom outside of the southside/South suburbs is rare.

All the outlying/rural/small cities in Illinois from a line that goes from Champaign northwest (north of Springfield) is Cubs territory, as well as a lot of Iowa.

South of that line the Cardinals (baseball only) start to take over. I was a minority as a Cub fan growing up in Springfield.

Good point. My dad grew up in Nokomis, IL, about 220 miles from Chicago but only 85 miles from St Louis. He's a lifelong (baseball) Cardinals fan and everyone he knew growing up was too, but he also has always been a Bears fan, never a Cardinals (football) fan.

Yup - the Football Cardinals didn't make an impact outside of the immediate St. Louis area - even then, most of the Illinois side were and still are Bears fans.

The Chicago Bears invented professional football. George Halas was the league's first commissioner. They have won 9 NFL titles, 7 while the Cardinals were in Chicago. The Bears have 34 Hall of Fame inductees of which 27 spent a majority of their career with the Bears. I can't name a Cardinals Hall of Famer from the Chicago period.

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Halas wasn't the first commissioner. Jim Thorpe was the first president and Elmer Layden was the first commissioner.

Good grief. Read some NFL history. I can recommend some sites.

Paddy Driscoll was a Cardinal player from Chicago.