Assuming CU/ULs' QBs leave early...I think he'll be the top QB in the league next year. What say u guys?

He is definitely a great QB. His only problem is that Lamar is a true Soph.
Lamar cannot leave for American football next year and I don't think he is destined for Canada. Dungey does look to be a great QB though.

2016 FBS (I-A) Leaders QBR
1 Lamar Jackson, LOU
8 Mitch Trubisky, UNC
11 Deondre Francois, FSU
23 Jerod Evans, VT
25 Deshaun Watson, CLEM
26 Nathan Peterman, PITT
37 Eric Dungey, SYR


He's a distant 7th place this year, I don't see why he'd be much better than that next year. Lots of great QBs in the ACC.

(10-24-2016 08:40 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  2016 FBS (I-A) Leaders QBR
1 Lamar Jackson, LOU
8 Mitch Trubisky, UNC
11 Deondre Francois, FSU
23 Jerod Evans, VT
25 Deshaun Watson, CLEM
26 Nathan Peterman, PITT
37 Eric Dungey, SYR


He's a distant 7th place this year, I don't see why he'd be much better than that next year. Lots of great QBs in the ACC.

New system and a very young OL has kept him back some. My biased opinion he is better than Peterman, Evans and Francois. I haven't seen UNC's QB play yet.

(10-24-2016 08:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Assuming CU/ULs' QBs leave early...I think he'll be the top QB in the league next year. What say u guys?

Certainly one of the better quarterbacks in the Conference next year.

(10-24-2016 08:40 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  2016 FBS (I-A) Leaders QBR
1 Lamar Jackson, LOU
8 Mitch Trubisky, UNC
11 Deondre Francois, FSU
23 Jerod Evans, VT
25 Deshaun Watson, CLEM
26 Nathan Peterman, PITT
37 Eric Dungey, SYR


He's a distant 7th place this year, I don't see why he'd be much better than that next year. Lots of great QBs in the ACC.

Seventh based on what? According to Yahoo Sports he is currently the second leading QB in the country, and well ahead of every QB in the ACC. ESPN has the same. He is also the second leading scrambling QB in the ACC after Lamar Jackson.

Yahoo Sports

ESPN

Just because you throw the ball a ton and are second in the nation in passing yards doesn't necessarily make you a better QB.

If it's purely a numbers game, then I could say Jerod Evans is the best in the ACC because he has the highest passing efficiency in the conference.

Dungey is good, I'll give him that. But he also has way more opportunities than most guys in the ACC to put up numbers based on the system he's playing in.

(10-24-2016 08:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 08:40 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  2016 FBS (I-A) Leaders QBR
1 Lamar Jackson, LOU
8 Mitch Trubisky, UNC
11 Deondre Francois, FSU
23 Jerod Evans, VT
25 Deshaun Watson, CLEM
26 Nathan Peterman, PITT
37 Eric Dungey, SYR


He's a distant 7th place this year, I don't see why he'd be much better than that next year. Lots of great QBs in the ACC.

New system and a very young OL has kept him back some. My biased opinion he is better than Peterman, Evans and Francois. I haven't seen UNC's QB play yet.

But he loses his only weapon at WR in Etta-Tawo.

(10-24-2016 09:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 08:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 08:40 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  2016 FBS (I-A) Leaders QBR
1 Lamar Jackson, LOU
8 Mitch Trubisky, UNC
11 Deondre Francois, FSU
23 Jerod Evans, VT
25 Deshaun Watson, CLEM
26 Nathan Peterman, PITT
37 Eric Dungey, SYR


He's a distant 7th place this year, I don't see why he'd be much better than that next year. Lots of great QBs in the ACC.

New system and a very young OL has kept him back some. My biased opinion he is better than Peterman, Evans and Francois. I haven't seen UNC's QB play yet.

But he loses his only weapon at WR in Etta-Tawo.

Etta Tawo is his best weapon but certainly not his only weapon. Steve Ishmael, the leading reciever from last season will be back, as will Ervin Phillips who has almost 600 yards this season, and could reach 1000 yards. Plus there is a pretty hot freshman who was hurt in the first game and is out for the season. Dungey has thrown for over 2600 yards so far, and EttaTawo only has 1000 of them.

(10-24-2016 09:35 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Just because you throw the ball a ton and are second in the nation in passing yards doesn't necessarily make you a better QB.

If it's purely a numbers game, then I could say Jerod Evans is the best in the ACC because he has the highest passing efficiency in the conference.

Dungey is good, I'll give him that. But he also has way more opportunities than most guys in the ACC to put up numbers based on the system he's playing in.

I agree. But Dungey doesnt just throw the ball around. He has a high completion percentage and he can scramble. He could do much better than what he has done if he didnt have to run for his life so much do to an injured and inexperienced O-line. He is certainly better than the seventh best qb in the ACC.

As has been pointed out you can throw the yardage out with your pass happy offense. Syracuse has 16 TD passes thus far this season. Etta-Tawo has seven of those. Phillips has only six less receptions than Etta-Tawo yet has almost half the yards and that's with Etta-Tawo typically drawing the best cover corner. We've been hearing about how great Ishmael is going to be for three years now from y'all and he's yet to live up to the billing. Maybe he can put it together in year four, but it's not often a player who's three years in and his career stats barely exceed what would be considered a great season just flips a switch.

(10-24-2016 09:10 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 08:40 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  2016 FBS (I-A) Leaders QBR
1 Lamar Jackson, LOU
8 Mitch Trubisky, UNC
11 Deondre Francois, FSU
23 Jerod Evans, VT
25 Deshaun Watson, CLEM
26 Nathan Peterman, PITT
37 Eric Dungey, SYR


He's a distant 7th place this year, I don't see why he'd be much better than that next year. Lots of great QBs in the ACC.

Seventh based on what? According to Yahoo Sports he is currently the second leading QB in the country, and well ahead of every QB in the ACC. ESPN has the same. He is also the second leading scrambling QB in the ACC after Lamar Jackson.

Yahoo Sports

ESPN

Based on QBR like it says in my original post. I got my stats from ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr

I got my link from the main ESPN college football page. The QBR on your ESPN site has Jarod Evans as the best ACC QB. I don't know which one is accurate but Dungey isn't ranked in the top 30 of either.

(10-24-2016 11:17 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 09:10 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 08:40 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  2016 FBS (I-A) Leaders QBR
1 Lamar Jackson, LOU
8 Mitch Trubisky, UNC
11 Deondre Francois, FSU
23 Jerod Evans, VT
25 Deshaun Watson, CLEM
26 Nathan Peterman, PITT
37 Eric Dungey, SYR


He's a distant 7th place this year, I don't see why he'd be much better than that next year. Lots of great QBs in the ACC.

Seventh based on what? According to Yahoo Sports he is currently the second leading QB in the country, and well ahead of every QB in the ACC. ESPN has the same. He is also the second leading scrambling QB in the ACC after Lamar Jackson.

Yahoo Sports

ESPN

Based on QBR like it says in my original post. I got my stats from ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr

I got my link from the main ESPN college football page. The QBR on your ESPN site has Jarod Evans as the best ACC QB. I don't know which one is accurate but Dungey isn't ranked in the top 30 of either.

OK, the site you linked uses a lot of other stats including sacks. Getting sacked isnt the QB's fault when you have a bad or inexperienced oline. I'll just say this: The only QB in the ACC or the country that I would even think about trading Dungey for is Lamar Jackson. Other folks may feel the same way about their QB.

(10-24-2016 11:38 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:17 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 09:10 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 08:40 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  2016 FBS (I-A) Leaders QBR
1 Lamar Jackson, LOU
8 Mitch Trubisky, UNC
11 Deondre Francois, FSU
23 Jerod Evans, VT
25 Deshaun Watson, CLEM
26 Nathan Peterman, PITT
37 Eric Dungey, SYR


He's a distant 7th place this year, I don't see why he'd be much better than that next year. Lots of great QBs in the ACC.

Seventh based on what? According to Yahoo Sports he is currently the second leading QB in the country, and well ahead of every QB in the ACC. ESPN has the same. He is also the second leading scrambling QB in the ACC after Lamar Jackson.

Yahoo Sports

ESPN

Based on QBR like it says in my original post. I got my stats from ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr

I got my link from the main ESPN college football page. The QBR on your ESPN site has Jarod Evans as the best ACC QB. I don't know which one is accurate but Dungey isn't ranked in the top 30 of either.

OK, the site you linked uses a lot of other stats including sacks. Getting sacked isnt the QB's fault when you have a bad or inexperienced oline. I'll just say this: The only QB in the ACC or the country that I would even think about trading Dungey for is Lamar Jackson.

The only QB in front of Dungey in QBR that I wouldn't take over him is :
26 Nathan Peterman, PITT

And that's only because I haven't seen him play yet. The other 5 I would definitely take over Dungey. Normally you see a QB like Dungey play and you think he's got to be one of the best QBs in the conference. Well this years ACC is not your average conference for QBs. There's a very good chance Dungey is no better than the 7th best QB.

(10-24-2016 10:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  As has been pointed out you can throw the yardage out with your pass happy offense. Syracuse has 16 TD passes thus far this season. Etta-Tawo has seven of those. Phillips has only six less receptions than Etta-Tawo yet has almost half the yards and that's with Etta-Tawo typically drawing the best cover corner. We've been hearing about how great Ishmael is going to be for three years now from y'all and he's yet to live up to the billing. Maybe he can put it together in year four, but it's not often a player who's three years in and his career stats barely exceed what would be considered a great season just flips a switch.

Like I said, Etta Tawo is SU's best weapon, but hes not the only weapon. If you say SU only has one weapon because Etta-Tawo has 1000 yards with 7 TD's, and the next best receiver (Ervin Phillips) only has less than 600 yards with 5 TD's, then I say you are wrong. Not many ACC receivers have over 600 yards this season at this point. I believe Switzer at UNC is the only one. I guess the other ACC teams have no weapons at all, if we are using your logic.

On a side note, Im just glad to be able to debate with you guys about whether SU has one of the better QB's in the ACC or how many receiver weapons that Dungey has to throw to. The last couple of years were pretty bleak for Syracuse football. Now things are looking up for SU fans the next few years.

Debating which is the third best b in the ACC this year is like comparing John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Tom Brady and Can Newton... Lots of very good players.

It was clear watching him play last year that Dungey had talent. It should also be clear that Babers makes QBs look good wherever he goes.

(10-24-2016 10:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  As has been pointed out you can throw the yardage out with your pass happy offense. Syracuse has 16 TD passes thus far this season. Etta-Tawo has seven of those. Phillips has only six less receptions than Etta-Tawo yet has almost half the yards and that's with Etta-Tawo typically drawing the best cover corner. We've been hearing about how great Ishmael is going to be for three years now from y'all and he's yet to live up to the billing. Maybe he can put it together in year four, but it's not often a player who's three years in and his career stats barely exceed what would be considered a great season just flips a switch.

Don't be surprised if we get another 5th year player or a JUCO to be next year's stud WR. Kids want to play for Babers

(10-24-2016 11:46 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:38 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:17 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 09:10 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 08:40 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  2016 FBS (I-A) Leaders QBR
1 Lamar Jackson, LOU
8 Mitch Trubisky, UNC
11 Deondre Francois, FSU
23 Jerod Evans, VT
25 Deshaun Watson, CLEM
26 Nathan Peterman, PITT
37 Eric Dungey, SYR


He's a distant 7th place this year, I don't see why he'd be much better than that next year. Lots of great QBs in the ACC.

Seventh based on what? According to Yahoo Sports he is currently the second leading QB in the country, and well ahead of every QB in the ACC. ESPN has the same. He is also the second leading scrambling QB in the ACC after Lamar Jackson.

Yahoo Sports

ESPN

Based on QBR like it says in my original post. I got my stats from ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr

I got my link from the main ESPN college football page. The QBR on your ESPN site has Jarod Evans as the best ACC QB. I don't know which one is accurate but Dungey isn't ranked in the top 30 of either.

OK, the site you linked uses a lot of other stats including sacks. Getting sacked isnt the QB's fault when you have a bad or inexperienced oline. I'll just say this: The only QB in the ACC or the country that I would even think about trading Dungey for is Lamar Jackson.

The only QB in front of Dungey in QBR that I wouldn't take over him is :
26 Nathan Peterman, PITT

And that's only because I haven't seen him play yet. The other 5 I would definitely take over Dungey. Normally you see a QB like Dungey play and you think he's got to be one of the best QBs in the conference. Well this years ACC is not your average conference for QBs. There's a very good chance Dungey is no better than the 7th best QB.

Head to Head. Dungey was much better than VT's QB

I was there...one had a clue and the other one not so much

(10-25-2016 07:45 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:46 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:38 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:17 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 09:10 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Seventh based on what? According to Yahoo Sports he is currently the second leading QB in the country, and well ahead of every QB in the ACC. ESPN has the same. He is also the second leading scrambling QB in the ACC after Lamar Jackson.

Yahoo Sports

ESPN

Based on QBR like it says in my original post. I got my stats from ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr

I got my link from the main ESPN college football page. The QBR on your ESPN site has Jarod Evans as the best ACC QB. I don't know which one is accurate but Dungey isn't ranked in the top 30 of either.

OK, the site you linked uses a lot of other stats including sacks. Getting sacked isnt the QB's fault when you have a bad or inexperienced oline. I'll just say this: The only QB in the ACC or the country that I would even think about trading Dungey for is Lamar Jackson.

The only QB in front of Dungey in QBR that I wouldn't take over him is :
26 Nathan Peterman, PITT

And that's only because I haven't seen him play yet. The other 5 I would definitely take over Dungey. Normally you see a QB like Dungey play and you think he's got to be one of the best QBs in the conference. Well this years ACC is not your average conference for QBs. There's a very good chance Dungey is no better than the 7th best QB.

Head to Head. Dungey was much better than VT's QB

I was there...one had a clue and the other one not so much

I'll take our record versus Syracuse all day. Look at the fanbase feeling all mighty because of two wins.... Wow...

(10-25-2016 08:01 AM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 07:45 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:46 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:38 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:17 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Based on QBR like it says in my original post. I got my stats from ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr

I got my link from the main ESPN college football page. The QBR on your ESPN site has Jarod Evans as the best ACC QB. I don't know which one is accurate but Dungey isn't ranked in the top 30 of either.

OK, the site you linked uses a lot of other stats including sacks. Getting sacked isnt the QB's fault when you have a bad or inexperienced oline. I'll just say this: The only QB in the ACC or the country that I would even think about trading Dungey for is Lamar Jackson.

The only QB in front of Dungey in QBR that I wouldn't take over him is :
26 Nathan Peterman, PITT

And that's only because I haven't seen him play yet. The other 5 I would definitely take over Dungey. Normally you see a QB like Dungey play and you think he's got to be one of the best QBs in the conference. Well this years ACC is not your average conference for QBs. There's a very good chance Dungey is no better than the 7th best QB.

Head to Head. Dungey was much better than VT's QB

I was there...one had a clue and the other one not so much

I'll take our record versus Syracuse all day. Look at the fanbase feeling all mighty because of two wins.... Wow...

Your record versus Syracuse is under .500%


Ofcourse VT has better players right now but the haters will soon realize Babers is the type of HC that will get us back in the Top 25.