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RE: Rice's best NFL pro?
John Urschel, the PhD candidate/Ravens guard, appears with J J Watt in the Bose commercial shown during NFL games




(10-31-2016 02:55 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(10-30-2016 08:40 PM)MrMxyzptlk Wrote:  Follow the "Going For Two" link at bottom of Mike's link below to read about 2-point conversion strategy (and Baltimore Raven lineman/PhD student at MIT):

(10-26-2016 04:33 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  And here's a perspective from one of his students, who is now a computer science prof at Georgia Tech: https://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2010/03/1...professor/

Nice!! Thanks for letting us know about that "Going For Two" analysis.
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(10-23-2016 02:48 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  No brainer - Buddy Dial.

Forgetting Frank Ryan? I watched them both in the pros. Both great. King Hill was pretty special too.

(I played pickup basketball against Dr Ryan in the Rice gym for an entire year before I learned who he was.)
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(12-02-2016 01:51 PM)elf owl Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 02:48 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  No brainer - Buddy Dial.

Forgetting Frank Ryan? I watched them both in the pros. Both great. King Hill was pretty special too.

(I played pickup basketball against Dr Ryan in the Rice gym for an entire year before I learned who he was.)

You and my dad both played pickup games with him. I bring that up because there was a great interview with Frank Ryan posted on SI.com about 10 days ago, and and in one response, he didn't think anyone knew he was a pro football player while he was working on his PhD at Rice in the off-season.

But it's actually a pretty wide ranging interview, and spends a lot of time on his love of mathematics. Rice gets mentioned. He's actually working on one of the big math problems (twin primes), even though he's 80 and apparently is in the early stages of Alzheimer's.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/30/themm...e-lombardi
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(11-01-2016 07:39 PM)gsloth Wrote:  ... as a head coach, if you reach the red zone, you should already be anticipating getting a TD and know whether it's time for a kick or try.

You mean, you shouldn't need to take a time-out to figure it out -- which you don't have anyway because you burned them on routine plays in the previous quarter when you couldn't signal your play calls in fast enough?
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(07-11-2017 12:53 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 07:39 PM)gsloth Wrote:  ... as a head coach, if you reach the red zone, you should already be anticipating getting a TD and know whether it's time for a kick or try.

You mean, you shouldn't need to take a time-out to figure it out -- which you don't have anyway because you burned them on routine plays in the previous quarter when you couldn't signal your play calls in fast enough?

I don't know what in the world you are talking about. Or perhaps, you might mean taking a time out at the beginning of the second half as you couldn't get your play in or possibly getting called for delay of game after a timeout?
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I agree and his co-QB at Rice King Hill had a successful NFL career at the same time.

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(10-23-2016 06:11 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Frank Ryan...won a NFL title with the Browns.

That's who I was thinking of when I asked the "current or all-time" question.

You could also include Larry Izzo if by best you mean most success.
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Most coaches do not follow because they are more worried about not failing than maximizing the expected points.

(10-31-2016 09:23 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  
(10-31-2016 08:47 PM)gsloth Wrote:  Following on this, Bill Barnwell gets into some of the unofficial game situation rules that have ossified over the years, but that may not really be good guidance anymore. There's a section on rules around the 2-point conversion, though he glosses over the timing question.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17899...s-nfl-2016

For a stat-heavy writer (normally), this article was lacking in pointing to good studies in many of his discussions. But...

Taking that 2-point conversion study he points to (it's NFL specific in how it evaluates game situations, but can be used to at least take a lense to college football situations), it says that if you have a 2-point conversion play you believe can succeed at least 22% of the time (with at least 21 minutes left in the game, and your team down by 2), you should attempt the 2-point play. Clearly, Bailiff doesn't subscribe to that thought process.
source: http://www.footballcommentary.com/twoptchart.htm

Seems like most coaches, college and pro, do not subscribe to that thought process.
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