For all those ADs who were afraid they can't find enough P5 teams to fill an 8+2 schedule, there's this news from the mighty Big Ten:

Big Ten to count Fresno State as a Power Five opponent

You know, that Mountain West powerhouse which happens to be 1-5 and dead last in their division this year?

For those of you keeping score at home, the Big Ten will be requiring one OOC "power" opponent per team, which CAN be a P5 conference team, but the following are also approved: Air Force, Army, BYU, Cincinnati, Fresno State, Navy, Notre Dame, and UConn.

Ah, but they claim to make up for it by not allowing anyone to play an FCS team.

I think B1G is worried about litigation. Northwestern stuff. ACC should just count CUSA teams as P5. I think B1G helping Minnesota out as well. Not for scheduling Fresno St but for scheduling Georgia Southern. Looks like recruiting purposes.

Fresno State has been pretty good before the recent slide.

(10-21-2016 08:13 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Fresno State has been pretty good before the recent slide.

I understand the service academies. BYU, Cincinnati and Connecticut are 3 of the most likely teams to be called up to the P5, along with Houston. One of these things just doesn't belong...


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(10-21-2016 09:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 08:13 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Fresno State has been pretty good before the recent slide.

I understand the service academies. BYU, Cincinnati and Connecticut are 3 of the most likely teams to be called up to the P5, along with Houston. One of these things just doesn't belong...


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Boise state would have made since

You know, I think it's easy to make fun of the Big Ten for this apparent hypocrisy. However, I do sincerely believe that the dividing line is after the seventh best conference, not after the fifth best conference.

In other words, I think think the gap is greater between the AAC/MWC/BYU and say, Conference USA than it is between the ACC/B12 and the AAC/MWC/BYU. I think rules like this are just further evidence of that fact.

(10-22-2016 12:11 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  You know, I think it's easy to make fun of the Big Ten for this apparent hypocrisy. However, I do sincerely believe that the dividing line is after the seventh best conference, not after the fifth best conference.

In other words, I think think the gap is greater between the AAC/MWC/BYU and say, Conference USA than it is between the ACC/B12 and the AAC/MWC/BYU. I think rules like this are just further evidence of that fact.

I appreciate that comment, Doc, but then, why not come right out and say that? Why allow Fresno St but not, say, Cincinnati? Anything to do with the fact that the former is far away while the latter is located in your footprint?

IMO the ACC should go to 8+2 where the 2 must consist of at least one from the P5 (or Notre Dame) and the 2nd can be another P5 OR a team from AAC, MWC, BYU, or Army. Any AD worth his salary should be able to schedule that, right?

(10-22-2016 12:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 12:11 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  You know, I think it's easy to make fun of the Big Ten for this apparent hypocrisy. However, I do sincerely believe that the dividing line is after the seventh best conference, not after the fifth best conference.

In other words, I think think the gap is greater between the AAC/MWC/BYU and say, Conference USA than it is between the ACC/B12 and the AAC/MWC/BYU. I think rules like this are just further evidence of that fact.

I appreciate that comment, Doc, but then, why not come right out and say that? Why allow Fresno St but not, say, Cincinnati? Anything to do with the fact that the former is far away while the latter is located in your footprint?

IMO the ACC should go to 8+2 where the 2 must consist of at least one from the P5 (or Notre Dame) and the 2nd can be another P5 OR a team from AAC, MWC, BYU, or Army. Any AD worth his salary should be able to schedule that, right?

Look at NC State's future schedules - we have a two game series with UConn and games with ECU. We will not be scheduling two P-5's in a year where we already one or two G-5's, especially ECU. What's going to happen is that the ACC office will have to fine a member school for not kissing the conference office's ass. Rest assured that ESPN could care less if NC State is playing Indiana, Kansas, or Purdue, versus Houston, ECU, or UConn.

If ESPN does not like South Carolina, Marshall, Furman, and ND, or ECU, Western Carolina, West Virginia, and Ball State, or ECU, Charleston Southern, Connecticut, and Texas Tech - too bad.

(10-22-2016 02:57 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 12:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 12:11 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  You know, I think it's easy to make fun of the Big Ten for this apparent hypocrisy. However, I do sincerely believe that the dividing line is after the seventh best conference, not after the fifth best conference.

In other words, I think think the gap is greater between the AAC/MWC/BYU and say, Conference USA than it is between the ACC/B12 and the AAC/MWC/BYU. I think rules like this are just further evidence of that fact.

I appreciate that comment, Doc, but then, why not come right out and say that? Why allow Fresno St but not, say, Cincinnati? Anything to do with the fact that the former is far away while the latter is located in your footprint?

IMO the ACC should go to 8+2 where the 2 must consist of at least one from the P5 (or Notre Dame) and the 2nd can be another P5 OR a team from AAC, MWC, BYU, or Army. Any AD worth his salary should be able to schedule that, right?

Look at NC State's future schedules - we have a two game series with UConn and games with ECU. We will not be scheduling two P-5's in a year where we already one or two G-5's, especially ECU. What's going to happen is that the ACC office will have to fine a member school for not kissing the conference office's ass. Rest assured that ESPN could care less if NC State is playing Indiana, Kansas, or Purdue, versus Houston, ECU, or UConn.

If ESPN does not like South Carolina, Marshall, Furman, and ND, or ECU, Western Carolina, West Virginia, and Ball State, or ECU, Charleston Southern, Connecticut, and Texas Tech - too bad.

That's what I'm saying: 8 ACC games + a P5 + UConn or ECU = good enough. Why should the ACC kill itself when the Big Ten certainly seems to allow pretty much any AAC or MWC team.

I would draw the line at counting most teams from the Sun Belt, C-USA, or MAC, or certainly not FBS. But if it's good enough for the Big Ten it should be good enough for NC State too. Just sign the contract and cash the checks.