(10-21-2016 09:15 AM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  Carey will be back next year.

None of the current Huskie QB's whom I have seen play QB for the Huskies have impressed me much in terms of being able to lead the team back to Detroit. That does not include Mister. I am hoping the Huskies have some secret weapon at QB, who has so far been under wraps, but he will be released on the world next year. I would prefer it be a freshman, whom we can start for four years.

Perhaps Rodney Hall comes here and wins the job outright as a Freshman? Wishful thinking I know, but not out of realm of possibility. Childers could be the wild card here.

I think we need to be realistic about any true freshman QB being a difference maker next season. NIU opens at home against Boston College and then heads to Nebraska and San Diego State. I have a hard time seeing a true freshman step right in, master the offense a couple months removed from high school and deliver results against that type of competition.

The fact that NIU was trying to bring in Collins to start next year tells you what you need to know about the QB position heading into next season. For whatever reason NIU has not been able to recruit an elite QB since Lynch was a finalist for the Heisman. You would think talent would be lining up to play QB here after Lynch's run but for some reason NIU has not been able to land any of these guys.

(10-21-2016 10:12 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  I think we need to be realistic about any true freshman QB being a difference maker next season. NIU opens at home against Boston College and then heads to Nebraska and San Diego State. I have a hard time seeing a true freshman step right in, master the offense a couple months removed from high school and deliver results against that type of competition.

The fact that NIU was trying to bring in Collins to start next year tells you what you need to know about the QB position heading into next season. For whatever reason NIU has not been able to recruit an elite QB since Lynch was a finalist for the Heisman. You would think talent would be lining up to play QB here after Lynch's run but for some reason NIU has not been able to land any of these guys.

Lynch became an elite QB, he was a perfect fit for our offense; he absolutely was not regarded as an elite QB coming out of HS, NIU may have been his only D1 offer. He redshirted as a true freshmen and played sparingly as a Freshmen and Sophmore as a back up to Harnish (who was not the starter at the beginning of his Junior year). If Lynch (and Harnish) are anything, they are perfect examples of under recruited athletes who developed into outstanding players. Don't use either to illustrate NIUs weakness in getting elite QBs out of HS.

(10-21-2016 12:03 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 10:12 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  I think we need to be realistic about any true freshman QB being a difference maker next season. NIU opens at home against Boston College and then heads to Nebraska and San Diego State. I have a hard time seeing a true freshman step right in, master the offense a couple months removed from high school and deliver results against that type of competition.

The fact that NIU was trying to bring in Collins to start next year tells you what you need to know about the QB position heading into next season. For whatever reason NIU has not been able to recruit an elite QB since Lynch was a finalist for the Heisman. You would think talent would be lining up to play QB here after Lynch's run but for some reason NIU has not been able to land any of these guys.

Lynch became an elite QB, he was a perfect fit for our offense; he absolutely was not regarded as an elite QB coming out of HS, NIU may have been his only D1 offer. He redshirted as a true freshmen and played sparingly as a Freshmen and Sophmore as a back up to Harnish (who was not the starter at the beginning of his Junior year). If Lynch (and Harnish) are anything, they are perfect examples of under recruited athletes who developed into outstanding players. Don't use either to illustrate NIUs weakness in getting elite QBs out of HS.

Totally right on the development thing. And we have the hang the state of QB as much on development as recruiting.

I took the recruiting point as being that the productivity out of the position, how it's featured, and the profile Lynch especially got, didn't give a bump to QB recruiting.

(10-21-2016 12:03 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 10:12 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  I think we need to be realistic about any true freshman QB being a difference maker next season. NIU opens at home against Boston College and then heads to Nebraska and San Diego State. I have a hard time seeing a true freshman step right in, master the offense a couple months removed from high school and deliver results against that type of competition.

The fact that NIU was trying to bring in Collins to start next year tells you what you need to know about the QB position heading into next season. For whatever reason NIU has not been able to recruit an elite QB since Lynch was a finalist for the Heisman. You would think talent would be lining up to play QB here after Lynch's run but for some reason NIU has not been able to land any of these guys.

Lynch became an elite QB, he was a perfect fit for our offense; he absolutely was not regarded as an elite QB coming out of HS, NIU may have been his only D1 offer. He redshirted as a true freshmen and played sparingly as a Freshmen and Sophmore as a back up to Harnish (who was not the starter at the beginning of his Junior year). If Lynch (and Harnish) are anything, they are perfect examples of under recruited athletes who developed into outstanding players. Don't use either to illustrate NIUs weakness in getting elite QBs out of HS.

exactly my point about why we should use Mister. He did the exact same thing as Lynch in HS, but was just highly recruited. is there any reason we shouldnt consider Mister as an option at QB next year? seriously, why wouldnt we?

(10-21-2016 12:31 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 12:03 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 10:12 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  I think we need to be realistic about any true freshman QB being a difference maker next season. NIU opens at home against Boston College and then heads to Nebraska and San Diego State. I have a hard time seeing a true freshman step right in, master the offense a couple months removed from high school and deliver results against that type of competition.

The fact that NIU was trying to bring in Collins to start next year tells you what you need to know about the QB position heading into next season. For whatever reason NIU has not been able to recruit an elite QB since Lynch was a finalist for the Heisman. You would think talent would be lining up to play QB here after Lynch's run but for some reason NIU has not been able to land any of these guys.

Lynch became an elite QB, he was a perfect fit for our offense; he absolutely was not regarded as an elite QB coming out of HS, NIU may have been his only D1 offer. He redshirted as a true freshmen and played sparingly as a Freshmen and Sophmore as a back up to Harnish (who was not the starter at the beginning of his Junior year). If Lynch (and Harnish) are anything, they are perfect examples of under recruited athletes who developed into outstanding players. Don't use either to illustrate NIUs weakness in getting elite QBs out of HS.

exactly my point about why we should use Mister. He did the exact same thing as Lynch in HS, but was just highly recruited. is there any reason we shouldnt consider Mister as an option at QB next year? seriously, why wouldnt we?

My thing is I truly don't think this coaching staff knows HOW to develop a QB. Harnish was developed under Novak/Kill/Doeren, Lynch, Kill/Doeren. We won't ever really know how well Drew developed since 2014 since the injuries and with no young guys yet that have at-least stepped up to separate themselves out of the group tells me more that this staff isn't developing/recruiting the position well.

Mister is a talent that needs to be on the field somewhere. I believe Thompson and Childers were both recruited based in their running ability; If NIU is going to continue with this offense a running QB is a prerequisite; BTW, I do believe that the talent on this year's team (KG) would be better suited to a traditional passing QB. I think trying to duplicate the Lynch days is a difficult proposition; the running ability of the QB of choice would likely come at the expense of passing abulity. Based on the highlight tape, I think Santa may be more of a Harnish type; an athletic passer, who can run as the play dictates, not as designed option. Again, this Off scheme is a new version of the old option offense and it requires a true running threat at the QB position.

(10-21-2016 12:22 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 12:03 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 10:12 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  I think we need to be realistic about any true freshman QB being a difference maker next season. NIU opens at home against Boston College and then heads to Nebraska and San Diego State. I have a hard time seeing a true freshman step right in, master the offense a couple months removed from high school and deliver results against that type of competition.

The fact that NIU was trying to bring in Collins to start next year tells you what you need to know about the QB position heading into next season. For whatever reason NIU has not been able to recruit an elite QB since Lynch was a finalist for the Heisman. You would think talent would be lining up to play QB here after Lynch's run but for some reason NIU has not been able to land any of these guys.

Lynch became an elite QB, he was a perfect fit for our offense; he absolutely was not regarded as an elite QB coming out of HS, NIU may have been his only D1 offer. He redshirted as a true freshmen and played sparingly as a Freshmen and Sophmore as a back up to Harnish (who was not the starter at the beginning of his Junior year). If Lynch (and Harnish) are anything, they are perfect examples of under recruited athletes who developed into outstanding players. Don't use either to illustrate NIUs weakness in getting elite QBs out of HS.

Totally right on the development thing. And we have the hang the state of QB as much on development as recruiting.

I took the recruiting point as being that the productivity out of the position, how it's featured, and the profile Lynch especially got, didn't give a bump to QB recruiting.

Exactly my point. From a marketability standpoint, Lynch's success should have helped open the door to more recruits wanting to play QB here. Development is no doubt important. However I expected to see a recruiting bump at QB post Lynch given how successful he was and how productive a QB can be in this offense.

(10-21-2016 12:31 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 12:03 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 10:12 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  I think we need to be realistic about any true freshman QB being a difference maker next season. NIU opens at home against Boston College and then heads to Nebraska and San Diego State. I have a hard time seeing a true freshman step right in, master the offense a couple months removed from high school and deliver results against that type of competition.

The fact that NIU was trying to bring in Collins to start next year tells you what you need to know about the QB position heading into next season. For whatever reason NIU has not been able to recruit an elite QB since Lynch was a finalist for the Heisman. You would think talent would be lining up to play QB here after Lynch's run but for some reason NIU has not been able to land any of these guys.

Lynch became an elite QB, he was a perfect fit for our offense; he absolutely was not regarded as an elite QB coming out of HS, NIU may have been his only D1 offer. He redshirted as a true freshmen and played sparingly as a Freshmen and Sophmore as a back up to Harnish (who was not the starter at the beginning of his Junior year). If Lynch (and Harnish) are anything, they are perfect examples of under recruited athletes who developed into outstanding players. Don't use either to illustrate NIUs weakness in getting elite QBs out of HS.

exactly my point about why we should use Mister. He did the exact same thing as Lynch in HS, but was just highly recruited. is there any reason we shouldnt consider Mister as an option at QB next year? seriously, why wouldnt we?

Because of our coaches!

I don't get the sense that our coaches even considered Mister at QB and likely will not. We would certainly be run heavy with Mister at QB, but that is fine with me - Mister and Huff in the backfield sounds very potent! I like the idea and brought it up long ago as to whether Mister would be considered at QB or was solely going to be a RB. I have not seen or heard anything that leads me to believe Mister at QB is even on our coaches radar.

(10-21-2016 01:33 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 12:22 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 12:03 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 10:12 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  I think we need to be realistic about any true freshman QB being a difference maker next season. NIU opens at home against Boston College and then heads to Nebraska and San Diego State. I have a hard time seeing a true freshman step right in, master the offense a couple months removed from high school and deliver results against that type of competition.

The fact that NIU was trying to bring in Collins to start next year tells you what you need to know about the QB position heading into next season. For whatever reason NIU has not been able to recruit an elite QB since Lynch was a finalist for the Heisman. You would think talent would be lining up to play QB here after Lynch's run but for some reason NIU has not been able to land any of these guys.

Lynch became an elite QB, he was a perfect fit for our offense; he absolutely was not regarded as an elite QB coming out of HS, NIU may have been his only D1 offer. He redshirted as a true freshmen and played sparingly as a Freshmen and Sophmore as a back up to Harnish (who was not the starter at the beginning of his Junior year). If Lynch (and Harnish) are anything, they are perfect examples of under recruited athletes who developed into outstanding players. Don't use either to illustrate NIUs weakness in getting elite QBs out of HS.

Totally right on the development thing. And we have the hang the state of QB as much on development as recruiting.

I took the recruiting point as being that the productivity out of the position, how it's featured, and the profile Lynch especially got, didn't give a bump to QB recruiting.

Exactly my point. From a marketability standpoint, Lynch's success should have helped open the door to more recruits wanting to play QB here. Development is no doubt important. However I expected to see a recruiting bump at QB post Lynch given how successful he was and how productive a QB can be in this offense.

Perfectly stated. High School quarterbacks that fit the mold of a runner/thrower and were not getting offers at the big P5 schools should have been lining up begging to come to NIU after seeing the Huskies in the Orange Bowl and Lynch at the Heisman Trophy presentation.

Another failure of this athletic department/coaching staff within the myriad of lost opportunities following the BCS bowl.

Mister Mister Mister - very possible he can't play QB because he does not have the skill to play.

QB coach? Guess we missed Bob Cole sooner than we thought. Graham looked much better last year and the vast majority on this board were sold on him prior to the start of this season.
The Lynch ofense is dead and left when he left. We need a senior QB transfer that can execute and compete at the MAC level. This is where a realistic evaluation of current talent is required. Specifically Thompson & Childers and Graham to a certain extent. Prefer they get an outsider's perspevtive.(Kill) What skills are they showing and can they be developed & ready.