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RE: Mike Bohn Town Hall Meetings
(10-20-2016 08:14 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: (10-20-2016 07:39 AM)natibeast21 Wrote: (10-20-2016 07:09 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: (10-20-2016 05:52 AM)rtaylor Wrote: (10-19-2016 10:21 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: It appears you should have paid more attention in the 500 attendee English classes held in Zimmer back then.
I never suggested that UC is in the same place as the mid-80's. My comment was directed towards Koch's "history" lesson. And that Bohn's response to his and Ono/Williams/BOT/Davenport's collective failure is to pay Koch for a puff piece.
And "most schools were independent in the time UC was" is clearly inaccurate. The Big Ten, Pacific Coast Conference, Southwest Conference, Atlantic Coast Conference, Southeastern Conference, and the Southern Conference represented the vast majority of major college football.
When UC was part of the Metro conference all of those schools were independent in football. As far as what the heck you are complaining about now, the onus would fall on Zimpher/Williams who were content to sit still and not invest further in athletics. One could say that if the renovations to Nippert/ 5/3rd had taken place earlier, ala Louisville then a stronger case could have been made for both ACC and Big XII membership 5 years ago. As far as who may be at fault for the this latest go round, call the Big XII, who it seems are the poster children for deceit and dysfunction. Not sure you can blame our leaders for their mess.
What I would like to see from UC going forward:
1. A strong commitment to the American. Instability and the desire to be in a power conference killed the value of first Big East/American TV deal. Sign a GOR if you can get at least six million dollars per year. Put the conference in a position where it can pick up the leftover Big XII schools when it implodes. It will be cheaper for ESPN to pay Iowa State and Baylor closer to $10 million dollars than it will be pay them $25 million. Let the American be a position to grow with the best of the rest or pick up the left behind schools.
2. Creative and aggressive basketball scheduling. Its about time to give up some of the buy games and schedule two to three more quality home games and go on the road a few more times as well. There a lot of really good schools in the Big East, A-10, Mountain West, WCC, and Missouri Valley that probably would jump at a home and home with UC. I wouldn't be against select 2-1 for games against power conference schools if needed or 2-1 for in the UC's favor with upper tier MAC programs.
3. Creative and smart football scheduling. Unlike basketball, UC needs to avoid playing the top tier schools from power conferences. Right now playing road games at the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, or Florida State is dangerous because those teams have the ability to blowout UC and set the program back in public perception. I would look into scheduling 2-1 for against mid tier power conference schools if they do not want to give UC a home and home. Also 2-1 in UC's favor against MAC and regional C-USA schools could work too. I would continue to schedule games against BYU and upper tier schools outside of the power structure.
4. Better branding. UC has a great history and its time it uses that to its advantage. I would be going all out this year for the 25th anniversary of the 1992 Final Four team. Classic C-Paw merchandise and other items. Every year I would honor one throwback football team and one throwback basketball team based on an anniversary year or special event. Merchandise with old logos to go with stories that can be told. The creation of a new secondary athletic logo could help too.
5. Better stadium and arena experiences. If the scoreboard isn't very good don't use it as often and let the band play or the students and cheerleaders cheer. If you can't give updated scores don't give them at all. Better food and beverage options. Stadium giveaways. Less color coded games in football and maybe a few more in basketball. Incorporate McMicken Lawn and TUC during football pregame. Bring back midnight madness.
6. Use the Big XII snub to your advantage. UC would have probably ended up a mid-tier Big XII school in both sports. UC can be a top tier G5 football program and a basketball power. It takes good coaching and support from the students, alumni, fans, and administration to get there but it can be done.
Thank you for some real input into what this meeting can be about. I am getting tired of reading the childish comments like fire Cronin for talking with UNLV. He has been very loyal and within the next 5 years we will know if he has leveled out or not. He may have his best team this year, and he most likely used the UNLV talks to get assurance in a new arena(Which is now happening!-good for him or a future coach). Now, the firing tuberville is a real question, now that we know our conference affiliation that is. Still, if Tuberville makes bowl games each and every year I would disagree with many and say keep him for his contract as long as he keeps his full recruiting classes coming in. This is the first coach since Dantonio to have most of his recruits actually make it to campus and is starting to provide real depth on the roster. The next bearcat football coach will benefit largely. [b]Remember, Kelly won with Dantonio's players and left nothing for Butch. Butch won two games his first year before turning it around. [/b] He had very solid recruiting classes, but many players in each class never made it to campus. Tuberville stated that problem year one. You are starting to see the difference in depth and now we are losing games based on in game decisions or at poor times (By Tuberville, coordinators, and players combined). Also, pregame planning looks to be a problem, but as long as he makes bowl games and wins a couple we should fulfill the contract. The future Bearcat coach will benefit tremendously. Now, he is on a real hot seat and should prove to us he is worth fulfilling his contract in the rest of the games this year. He is a real question to be fired, but lets see what happens the next few games. Who knows who we could hire right now and a real possibility with a young coach could be a muffed hire (happens all the time around the country) and 4-8 could become regular seasons for awhile.
Again, thank you for real input above on how to improve or maintain our athletic program at a high level. And to many childish board members, I get tired of stupid comments that sound like a comeback to your parents when your kid in trouble blaming everyone for everything. Used to love this board. Lets get back to real input/not emotional comments.
The narrative that BK recruited poorly did not hold up over time. The issue for the 2010 team that went 4-8 was due to an unwillingness to switch away from BK, not for a lack of talent. BK'S 2008 class is arguably second only to Dantonio's 2008 class as the best ever. Here are BK'S recruits at UC:
2007- Drew Frey, Sam Griffen, Armon Binns, Zach Collaros, John Hughes, Adrien Robinson, TJ Franklin, Alex Hoffman, Ricardo Thompson
2008- Isaiah Pead, Derek Wolfe Travis Kelce, JK Schaffer, Dominique Battle, DJ Woods, Walter Stewart, Brendan Kay, Dan Giordano, George Winn, Cameron Cheatham, Sean Hooey, Evan Davis, Brandon Mills, Danny Milligan
2009 [his recruits] Maalik Bomar, Chris Williams, Blake Annen, Jordan Stepp, Dan Sprague, Austen Bujnoch
Good point. The 2010 also did not buy into Jones. His coaching style was very different from BK. Many of the players, mainly seniors on the team, did not care for Jones. I have heard this from a player and Pead alluded to this in interviews. Pead said 2011 was possible because the players started to buy into what Jones was preaching.
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