(10-19-2016 09:09 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  I just want to hear WTF our under performing coaches got undeserved extensions. Mick's Las Vegas Lap Dance should have earned him a boot in the arse and Tubbs should have been served notice that he was on a VERY short leash. Instead, we reward both with idiotic extensions that lock us into terms that are head scratching at the very least.

You're serious? You can Mick over the UNLV thing, who are you going to hire? Setting back the program with defections and a lost recruiting class just so you can pound your chest and say "How dare you?!?!?!" might be one of the most childish, non-sensical moves you could make.

Man , you guys are good. Managing to rip Bohn, Davenport,Cronin ,Tubs simultaneously in 2 pages .

(10-19-2016 08:40 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Thank you. This situation is light years from then. Most schools were independent in the time UC was. We also have a gorgeous up to date stadium and a new basketball arena on the horizon. I attended UC during the dark times, this is not even close to then.

It appears you should have paid more attention in the 500 attendee English classes held in Zimmer back then.

I never suggested that UC is in the same place as the mid-80's. My comment was directed towards Koch's "history" lesson. And that Bohn's response to his and Ono/Williams/BOT/Davenport's collective failure is to pay Koch for a puff piece.

And "most schools were independent in the time UC was" is clearly inaccurate. The Big Ten, Pacific Coast Conference, Southwest Conference, Atlantic Coast Conference, Southeastern Conference, and the Southern Conference represented the vast majority of major college football.

Bohn should focus on several issues to insure UC future. I would like ask each of you to start a list he should work on. He needs fan input. Start the list.

(10-19-2016 10:21 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 08:40 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Thank you. This situation is light years from then. Most schools were independent in the time UC was. We also have a gorgeous up to date stadium and a new basketball arena on the horizon. I attended UC during the dark times, this is not even close to then.

It appears you should have paid more attention in the 500 attendee English classes held in Zimmer back then.

I never suggested that UC is in the same place as the mid-80's. My comment was directed towards Koch's "history" lesson. And that Bohn's response to his and Ono/Williams/BOT/Davenport's collective failure is to pay Koch for a puff piece.

And "most schools were independent in the time UC was" is clearly inaccurate. The Big Ten, Pacific Coast Conference, Southwest Conference, Atlantic Coast Conference, Southeast Conference, and the Southern Conference represented the vast majority of major college football.

What specifically was the collective failure?

(10-19-2016 10:33 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  What specifically was the collective failure?

Really? I know you love your AAC sports. I know you can see the future of having champagne tastes on beer money - really light beer.

Please don't take the easy route that we were simply not picked.

Louisville, Pitt, TCU, Maryland, Nebraska, Penn State, Missouri, Colorado, Rutgers, Syracuse, WVU, and Texas A&M all improved their athletic revenues in order to secure their schools' fiscal health by realigning with another conference. One could argue that schools like Tulsa, SMU, Tulane, ECU, Temple, Houston, UCF, and Memphis also improved their previous standing by realigning with a better conference.

That's a lot of schools whose leadership had a vision for what was happening in college athletics and did what it took to improve their university's athletic standing. UC - not so much. Scoreboards don't lie. Kinda of like our football coach - tries to say the right thing, even has them looking pretty in their UA, but they always fail when they need a big win. Scoreboards don't lie.

Is UC's future brighter today then just five years ago? Looks like collective failure to me.

It can be done at UC - look at what Joe Steger and Bob Goin accomplished.

(10-19-2016 10:07 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Man , you guys are good. Managing to rip Bohn, Davenport,Cronin ,Tubs simultaneously in 2 pages .

I'm disappointed as well. We missed discussing the evils of Tony Yates and Nancy Zimpher.

(10-19-2016 10:21 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 08:40 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Thank you. This situation is light years from then. Most schools were independent in the time UC was. We also have a gorgeous up to date stadium and a new basketball arena on the horizon. I attended UC during the dark times, this is not even close to then.

It appears you should have paid more attention in the 500 attendee English classes held in Zimmer back then.

I never suggested that UC is in the same place as the mid-80's. My comment was directed towards Koch's "history" lesson. And that Bohn's response to his and Ono/Williams/BOT/Davenport's collective failure is to pay Koch for a puff piece.

And "most schools were independent in the time UC was" is clearly inaccurate. The Big Ten, Pacific Coast Conference, Southwest Conference, Atlantic Coast Conference, Southeastern Conference, and the Southern Conference represented the vast majority of major college football.

When UC was part of the Metro conference all of those schools were independent in football. As far as what the heck you are complaining about now, the onus would fall on Zimpher/Williams who were content to sit still and not invest further in athletics. One could say that if the renovations to Nippert/ 5/3rd had taken place earlier, ala Louisville then a stronger case could have been made for both ACC and Big XII membership 5 years ago. As far as who may be at fault for the this latest go round, call the Big XII, who it seems are the poster children for deceit and dysfunction. Not sure you can blame our leaders for their mess.

(10-20-2016 05:52 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 10:21 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 08:40 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Thank you. This situation is light years from then. Most schools were independent in the time UC was. We also have a gorgeous up to date stadium and a new basketball arena on the horizon. I attended UC during the dark times, this is not even close to then.

It appears you should have paid more attention in the 500 attendee English classes held in Zimmer back then.

I never suggested that UC is in the same place as the mid-80's. My comment was directed towards Koch's "history" lesson. And that Bohn's response to his and Ono/Williams/BOT/Davenport's collective failure is to pay Koch for a puff piece.

And "most schools were independent in the time UC was" is clearly inaccurate. The Big Ten, Pacific Coast Conference, Southwest Conference, Atlantic Coast Conference, Southeastern Conference, and the Southern Conference represented the vast majority of major college football.

When UC was part of the Metro conference all of those schools were independent in football. As far as what the heck you are complaining about now, the onus would fall on Zimpher/Williams who were content to sit still and not invest further in athletics. One could say that if the renovations to Nippert/ 5/3rd had taken place earlier, ala Louisville then a stronger case could have been made for both ACC and Big XII membership 5 years ago. As far as who may be at fault for the this latest go round, call the Big XII, who it seems are the poster children for deceit and dysfunction. Not sure you can blame our leaders for their mess.

What I would like to see from UC going forward:

1. A strong commitment to the American. Instability and the desire to be in a power conference killed the value of first Big East/American TV deal. Sign a GOR if you can get at least six million dollars per year. Put the conference in a position where it can pick up the leftover Big XII schools when it implodes. It will be cheaper for ESPN to pay Iowa State and Baylor closer to $10 million dollars than it will be pay them $25 million. Let the American be a position to grow with the best of the rest or pick up the left behind schools.

2. Creative and aggressive basketball scheduling. Its about time to give up some of the buy games and schedule two to three more quality home games and go on the road a few more times as well. There a lot of really good schools in the Big East, A-10, Mountain West, WCC, and Missouri Valley that probably would jump at a home and home with UC. I wouldn't be against select 2-1 for games against power conference schools if needed or 2-1 for in the UC's favor with upper tier MAC programs.

3. Creative and smart football scheduling. Unlike basketball, UC needs to avoid playing the top tier schools from power conferences. Right now playing road games at the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, or Florida State is dangerous because those teams have the ability to blowout UC and set the program back in public perception. I would look into scheduling 2-1 for against mid tier power conference schools if they do not want to give UC a home and home. Also 2-1 in UC's favor against MAC and regional C-USA schools could work too. I would continue to schedule games against BYU and upper tier schools outside of the power structure.

4. Better branding. UC has a great history and its time it uses that to its advantage. I would be going all out this year for the 25th anniversary of the 1992 Final Four team. Classic C-Paw merchandise and other items. Every year I would honor one throwback football team and one throwback basketball team based on an anniversary year or special event. Merchandise with old logos to go with stories that can be told. The creation of a new secondary athletic logo could help too.

5. Better stadium and arena experiences. If the scoreboard isn't very good don't use it as often and let the band play or the students and cheerleaders cheer. If you can't give updated scores don't give them at all. Better food and beverage options. Stadium giveaways. Less color coded games in football and maybe a few more in basketball. Incorporate McMicken Lawn and TUC during football pregame. Bring back midnight madness.

6. Use the Big XII snub to your advantage. UC would have probably ended up a mid-tier Big XII school in both sports. UC can be a top tier G5 football program and a basketball power. It takes good coaching and support from the students, alumni, fans, and administration to get there but it can be done.

(10-20-2016 07:09 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  What I would like to see from UC going forward:

Good post.

So is he going to hold these town halls from Colorado via Skype?

(10-20-2016 07:09 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 05:52 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 10:21 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 08:40 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Thank you. This situation is light years from then. Most schools were independent in the time UC was. We also have a gorgeous up to date stadium and a new basketball arena on the horizon. I attended UC during the dark times, this is not even close to then.

It appears you should have paid more attention in the 500 attendee English classes held in Zimmer back then.

I never suggested that UC is in the same place as the mid-80's. My comment was directed towards Koch's "history" lesson. And that Bohn's response to his and Ono/Williams/BOT/Davenport's collective failure is to pay Koch for a puff piece.

And "most schools were independent in the time UC was" is clearly inaccurate. The Big Ten, Pacific Coast Conference, Southwest Conference, Atlantic Coast Conference, Southeastern Conference, and the Southern Conference represented the vast majority of major college football.

When UC was part of the Metro conference all of those schools were independent in football. As far as what the heck you are complaining about now, the onus would fall on Zimpher/Williams who were content to sit still and not invest further in athletics. One could say that if the renovations to Nippert/ 5/3rd had taken place earlier, ala Louisville then a stronger case could have been made for both ACC and Big XII membership 5 years ago. As far as who may be at fault for the this latest go round, call the Big XII, who it seems are the poster children for deceit and dysfunction. Not sure you can blame our leaders for their mess.

What I would like to see from UC going forward:

1. A strong commitment to the American. Instability and the desire to be in a power conference killed the value of first Big East/American TV deal. Sign a GOR if you can get at least six million dollars per year. Put the conference in a position where it can pick up the leftover Big XII schools when it implodes. It will be cheaper for ESPN to pay Iowa State and Baylor closer to $10 million dollars than it will be pay them $25 million. Let the American be a position to grow with the best of the rest or pick up the left behind schools.

2. Creative and aggressive basketball scheduling. Its about time to give up some of the buy games and schedule two to three more quality home games and go on the road a few more times as well. There a lot of really good schools in the Big East, A-10, Mountain West, WCC, and Missouri Valley that probably would jump at a home and home with UC. I wouldn't be against select 2-1 for games against power conference schools if needed or 2-1 for in the UC's favor with upper tier MAC programs.

3. Creative and smart football scheduling. Unlike basketball, UC needs to avoid playing the top tier schools from power conferences. Right now playing road games at the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, or Florida State is dangerous because those teams have the ability to blowout UC and set the program back in public perception. I would look into scheduling 2-1 for against mid tier power conference schools if they do not want to give UC a home and home. Also 2-1 in UC's favor against MAC and regional C-USA schools could work too. I would continue to schedule games against BYU and upper tier schools outside of the power structure.

4. Better branding. UC has a great history and its time it uses that to its advantage. I would be going all out this year for the 25th anniversary of the 1992 Final Four team. Classic C-Paw merchandise and other items. Every year I would honor one throwback football team and one throwback basketball team based on an anniversary year or special event. Merchandise with old logos to go with stories that can be told. The creation of a new secondary athletic logo could help too.

5. Better stadium and arena experiences. If the scoreboard isn't very good don't use it as often and let the band play or the students and cheerleaders cheer. If you can't give updated scores don't give them at all. Better food and beverage options. Stadium giveaways. Less color coded games in football and maybe a few more in basketball. Incorporate McMicken Lawn and TUC during football pregame. Bring back midnight madness.

6. Use the Big XII snub to your advantage. UC would have probably ended up a mid-tier Big XII school in both sports. UC can be a top tier G5 football program and a basketball power. It takes good coaching and support from the students, alumni, fans, and administration to get there but it can be done.

Thank you for some real input into what this meeting can be about. I am getting tired of reading the childish comments like fire Cronin for talking with UNLV. He has been very loyal and within the next 5 years we will know if he has leveled out or not. He may have his best team this year, and he most likely used the UNLV talks to get assurance in a new arena(Which is now happening!-good for him or a future coach). Now, the firing tuberville is a real question, now that we know our conference affiliation that is. Still, if Tuberville makes bowl games each and every year I would disagree with many and say keep him for his contract as long as he keeps his full recruiting classes coming in. This is the first coach since Dantonio to have most of his recruits actually make it to campus and is starting to provide real depth on the roster. The next bearcat football coach will benefit largely. Remember, Kelly won with Dantonio's players and left nothing for Butch. Butch won two games his first year before turning it around. He had very solid recruiting classes, but many players in each class never made it to campus. Tuberville stated that problem year one. You are starting to see the difference in depth and now we are losing games based on in game decisions or at poor times (By Tuberville, coordinators, and players combined). Also, pregame planning looks to be a problem, but as long as he makes bowl games and wins a couple we should fulfill the contract. The future Bearcat coach will benefit tremendously. Now, he is on a real hot seat and should prove to us he is worth fulfilling his contract in the rest of the games this year. He is a real question to be fired, but lets see what happens the next few games. Who knows who we could hire right now and a real possibility with a young coach could be a muffed hire (happens all the time around the country) and 4-8 could become regular seasons for awhile.

Again, thank you for real input above on how to improve or maintain our athletic program at a high level. And to many childish board members, I get tired of stupid comments that sound like a comeback to your parents when your kid in trouble blaming everyone for everything. Used to love this board. Lets get back to real input/not emotional comments.

(10-20-2016 07:09 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  What I would like to see from UC going forward:

3. Creative and smart football scheduling. Unlike basketball, UC needs to avoid playing the top tier schools from power conferences. Right now playing road games at the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, or Florida State is dangerous because those teams have the ability to blowout UC and set the program back in public perception. I would look into scheduling 2-1 for against mid tier power conference schools if they do not want to give UC a home and home. Also 2-1 in UC's favor against MAC and regional C-USA schools could work too. I would continue to schedule games against BYU and upper tier schools outside of the power structure.

Good overall post. UC needs to focus its priorities on being the best G5 team in the nation. If they do that, they'll consistently be ranked in football and basketball and both teams will be fun to watch even if they are playing Tulane or ECU.

One point #3, bravo! Finally someone else gets it. I would even be careful on basketball scheduling. You want one or two marquee games a year in basketball but don't over schedule. Beating a bad team is always better than losing to a good team. No one gives a crap that we almost beat Oklahoma or Ohio State in football. But if you win 10+ games a year in football and 25+ games a year in basketball, people love you. Even if the record is inflated due to a weak schedule, who cares. They'll still be ranked and fan interest will improve and game day experiences will be more fun.

Who would you rather be right now....Rutgers or Boise St. One of those teams is on pace for an Access Bowl invite, one just lost by 70 points.

The BigXII fiasco was a huge distraction. Fans were frustrated with the football team's performance, but weren't that noisy about it because there was a chance we could get in the BigXII. Now that that's over, there is going to be a laser focus on the program. That's my attitude. If we're stuck here, let's make the most of it and that starts with being competitive.

(10-20-2016 07:39 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 07:09 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 05:52 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 10:21 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 08:40 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Thank you. This situation is light years from then. Most schools were independent in the time UC was. We also have a gorgeous up to date stadium and a new basketball arena on the horizon. I attended UC during the dark times, this is not even close to then.

It appears you should have paid more attention in the 500 attendee English classes held in Zimmer back then.

I never suggested that UC is in the same place as the mid-80's. My comment was directed towards Koch's "history" lesson. And that Bohn's response to his and Ono/Williams/BOT/Davenport's collective failure is to pay Koch for a puff piece.

And "most schools were independent in the time UC was" is clearly inaccurate. The Big Ten, Pacific Coast Conference, Southwest Conference, Atlantic Coast Conference, Southeastern Conference, and the Southern Conference represented the vast majority of major college football.

When UC was part of the Metro conference all of those schools were independent in football. As far as what the heck you are complaining about now, the onus would fall on Zimpher/Williams who were content to sit still and not invest further in athletics. One could say that if the renovations to Nippert/ 5/3rd had taken place earlier, ala Louisville then a stronger case could have been made for both ACC and Big XII membership 5 years ago. As far as who may be at fault for the this latest go round, call the Big XII, who it seems are the poster children for deceit and dysfunction. Not sure you can blame our leaders for their mess.

What I would like to see from UC going forward:

1. A strong commitment to the American. Instability and the desire to be in a power conference killed the value of first Big East/American TV deal. Sign a GOR if you can get at least six million dollars per year. Put the conference in a position where it can pick up the leftover Big XII schools when it implodes. It will be cheaper for ESPN to pay Iowa State and Baylor closer to $10 million dollars than it will be pay them $25 million. Let the American be a position to grow with the best of the rest or pick up the left behind schools.

2. Creative and aggressive basketball scheduling. Its about time to give up some of the buy games and schedule two to three more quality home games and go on the road a few more times as well. There a lot of really good schools in the Big East, A-10, Mountain West, WCC, and Missouri Valley that probably would jump at a home and home with UC. I wouldn't be against select 2-1 for games against power conference schools if needed or 2-1 for in the UC's favor with upper tier MAC programs.

3. Creative and smart football scheduling. Unlike basketball, UC needs to avoid playing the top tier schools from power conferences. Right now playing road games at the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, or Florida State is dangerous because those teams have the ability to blowout UC and set the program back in public perception. I would look into scheduling 2-1 for against mid tier power conference schools if they do not want to give UC a home and home. Also 2-1 in UC's favor against MAC and regional C-USA schools could work too. I would continue to schedule games against BYU and upper tier schools outside of the power structure.

4. Better branding. UC has a great history and its time it uses that to its advantage. I would be going all out this year for the 25th anniversary of the 1992 Final Four team. Classic C-Paw merchandise and other items. Every year I would honor one throwback football team and one throwback basketball team based on an anniversary year or special event. Merchandise with old logos to go with stories that can be told. The creation of a new secondary athletic logo could help too.

5. Better stadium and arena experiences. If the scoreboard isn't very good don't use it as often and let the band play or the students and cheerleaders cheer. If you can't give updated scores don't give them at all. Better food and beverage options. Stadium giveaways. Less color coded games in football and maybe a few more in basketball. Incorporate McMicken Lawn and TUC during football pregame. Bring back midnight madness.

6. Use the Big XII snub to your advantage. UC would have probably ended up a mid-tier Big XII school in both sports. UC can be a top tier G5 football program and a basketball power. It takes good coaching and support from the students, alumni, fans, and administration to get there but it can be done.

Thank you for some real input into what this meeting can be about. I am getting tired of reading the childish comments like fire Cronin for talking with UNLV. He has been very loyal and within the next 5 years we will know if he has leveled out or not. He may have his best team this year, and he most likely used the UNLV talks to get assurance in a new arena(Which is now happening!-good for him or a future coach). Now, the firing tuberville is a real question, now that we know our conference affiliation that is. Still, if Tuberville makes bowl games each and every year I would disagree with many and say keep him for his contract as long as he keeps his full recruiting classes coming in. This is the first coach since Dantonio to have most of his recruits actually make it to campus and is starting to provide real depth on the roster. The next bearcat football coach will benefit largely. [b]Remember, Kelly won with Dantonio's players and left nothing for Butch. Butch won two games his first year before turning it around. [/b] He had very solid recruiting classes, but many players in each class never made it to campus. Tuberville stated that problem year one. You are starting to see the difference in depth and now we are losing games based on in game decisions or at poor times (By Tuberville, coordinators, and players combined). Also, pregame planning looks to be a problem, but as long as he makes bowl games and wins a couple we should fulfill the contract. The future Bearcat coach will benefit tremendously. Now, he is on a real hot seat and should prove to us he is worth fulfilling his contract in the rest of the games this year. He is a real question to be fired, but lets see what happens the next few games. Who knows who we could hire right now and a real possibility with a young coach could be a muffed hire (happens all the time around the country) and 4-8 could become regular seasons for awhile.

Again, thank you for real input above on how to improve or maintain our athletic program at a high level. And to many childish board members, I get tired of stupid comments that sound like a comeback to your parents when your kid in trouble blaming everyone for everything. Used to love this board. Lets get back to real input/not emotional comments.

The narrative that BK recruited poorly did not hold up over time. The issue for the 2010 team that went 4-8 was due to an unwillingness to switch away from BK, not for a lack of talent. BK'S 2008 class is arguably second only to Dantonio's 2005 class as the best ever. Here are BK'S recruits at UC:

2007- Drew Frey, Sam Griffen, Armon Binns, Zach Collaros, John Hughes, Adrien Robinson, TJ Franklin, Alex Hoffman, Ricardo Thompson

2008- Isaiah Pead, Derek Wolfe Travis Kelce, JK Schaffer, Dominique Battle, DJ Woods, Walter Stewart, Brendan Kay, Dan Giordano, George Winn, Cameron Cheatham, Sean Hooey, Evan Davis, Brandon Mills, Danny Milligan

2009 [his recruits] Maalik Bomar, Chris Williams, Blake Annen, Jordan Stepp, Dan Sprague, Austen Bujnoch

(10-20-2016 07:51 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  The BigXII fiasco was a huge distraction. Fans were frustrated with the football team's performance, but weren't that noisy about it because there was a chance we could get in the BigXII. Now that that's over, there is going to be a laser focus on the program. That's my attitude. If we're stuck here, let's make the most of it and that starts with being competitive.

I have to think that with a possible Big 12 invite on the horizon our whole athletic department would have had laser focus to excel in ever aspect of the program. I am frustrated and I suspect others are too because it is clear that we have slipped. I think there are two measuring sticks - overall and against our peers. Clearly missing P5 membership/losing BCS affiliation has set us back overall. The more distressing piece is how we have slipped against our peers in football. When the American formed we had an advantage. We have lost that.

So the question becomes - how can you restore confidence that you can get the program back to the top of the conference when we couldn't keep it there with a P5 invite on the line?

I have to believe the conversation about UC would have been totally different if we had won the AAC last year and played competitively in a NY6 bowl and had been undefeated and ranked this year. May not have ultimately changed the decision, but we made it easier for the BIg 12 to not expand.

(10-20-2016 08:14 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 07:39 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 07:09 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 05:52 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 10:21 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  It appears you should have paid more attention in the 500 attendee English classes held in Zimmer back then.

I never suggested that UC is in the same place as the mid-80's. My comment was directed towards Koch's "history" lesson. And that Bohn's response to his and Ono/Williams/BOT/Davenport's collective failure is to pay Koch for a puff piece.

And "most schools were independent in the time UC was" is clearly inaccurate. The Big Ten, Pacific Coast Conference, Southwest Conference, Atlantic Coast Conference, Southeastern Conference, and the Southern Conference represented the vast majority of major college football.

When UC was part of the Metro conference all of those schools were independent in football. As far as what the heck you are complaining about now, the onus would fall on Zimpher/Williams who were content to sit still and not invest further in athletics. One could say that if the renovations to Nippert/ 5/3rd had taken place earlier, ala Louisville then a stronger case could have been made for both ACC and Big XII membership 5 years ago. As far as who may be at fault for the this latest go round, call the Big XII, who it seems are the poster children for deceit and dysfunction. Not sure you can blame our leaders for their mess.

What I would like to see from UC going forward:

1. A strong commitment to the American. Instability and the desire to be in a power conference killed the value of first Big East/American TV deal. Sign a GOR if you can get at least six million dollars per year. Put the conference in a position where it can pick up the leftover Big XII schools when it implodes. It will be cheaper for ESPN to pay Iowa State and Baylor closer to $10 million dollars than it will be pay them $25 million. Let the American be a position to grow with the best of the rest or pick up the left behind schools.

2. Creative and aggressive basketball scheduling. Its about time to give up some of the buy games and schedule two to three more quality home games and go on the road a few more times as well. There a lot of really good schools in the Big East, A-10, Mountain West, WCC, and Missouri Valley that probably would jump at a home and home with UC. I wouldn't be against select 2-1 for games against power conference schools if needed or 2-1 for in the UC's favor with upper tier MAC programs.

3. Creative and smart football scheduling. Unlike basketball, UC needs to avoid playing the top tier schools from power conferences. Right now playing road games at the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, or Florida State is dangerous because those teams have the ability to blowout UC and set the program back in public perception. I would look into scheduling 2-1 for against mid tier power conference schools if they do not want to give UC a home and home. Also 2-1 in UC's favor against MAC and regional C-USA schools could work too. I would continue to schedule games against BYU and upper tier schools outside of the power structure.

4. Better branding. UC has a great history and its time it uses that to its advantage. I would be going all out this year for the 25th anniversary of the 1992 Final Four team. Classic C-Paw merchandise and other items. Every year I would honor one throwback football team and one throwback basketball team based on an anniversary year or special event. Merchandise with old logos to go with stories that can be told. The creation of a new secondary athletic logo could help too.

5. Better stadium and arena experiences. If the scoreboard isn't very good don't use it as often and let the band play or the students and cheerleaders cheer. If you can't give updated scores don't give them at all. Better food and beverage options. Stadium giveaways. Less color coded games in football and maybe a few more in basketball. Incorporate McMicken Lawn and TUC during football pregame. Bring back midnight madness.

6. Use the Big XII snub to your advantage. UC would have probably ended up a mid-tier Big XII school in both sports. UC can be a top tier G5 football program and a basketball power. It takes good coaching and support from the students, alumni, fans, and administration to get there but it can be done.

Thank you for some real input into what this meeting can be about. I am getting tired of reading the childish comments like fire Cronin for talking with UNLV. He has been very loyal and within the next 5 years we will know if he has leveled out or not. He may have his best team this year, and he most likely used the UNLV talks to get assurance in a new arena(Which is now happening!-good for him or a future coach). Now, the firing tuberville is a real question, now that we know our conference affiliation that is. Still, if Tuberville makes bowl games each and every year I would disagree with many and say keep him for his contract as long as he keeps his full recruiting classes coming in. This is the first coach since Dantonio to have most of his recruits actually make it to campus and is starting to provide real depth on the roster. The next bearcat football coach will benefit largely. [b]Remember, Kelly won with Dantonio's players and left nothing for Butch. Butch won two games his first year before turning it around. [/b] He had very solid recruiting classes, but many players in each class never made it to campus. Tuberville stated that problem year one. You are starting to see the difference in depth and now we are losing games based on in game decisions or at poor times (By Tuberville, coordinators, and players combined). Also, pregame planning looks to be a problem, but as long as he makes bowl games and wins a couple we should fulfill the contract. The future Bearcat coach will benefit tremendously. Now, he is on a real hot seat and should prove to us he is worth fulfilling his contract in the rest of the games this year. He is a real question to be fired, but lets see what happens the next few games. Who knows who we could hire right now and a real possibility with a young coach could be a muffed hire (happens all the time around the country) and 4-8 could become regular seasons for awhile.

Again, thank you for real input above on how to improve or maintain our athletic program at a high level. And to many childish board members, I get tired of stupid comments that sound like a comeback to your parents when your kid in trouble blaming everyone for everything. Used to love this board. Lets get back to real input/not emotional comments.

The narrative that BK recruited poorly did not hold up over time. The issue for the 2010 team that went 4-8 was due to an unwillingness to switch away from BK, not for a lack of talent. BK'S 2008 class is arguably second only to Dantonio's 2008 class as the best ever. Here are BK'S recruits at UC:

2007- Drew Frey, Sam Griffen, Armon Binns, Zach Collaros, John Hughes, Adrien Robinson, TJ Franklin, Alex Hoffman, Ricardo Thompson

2008- Isaiah Pead, Derek Wolfe Travis Kelce, JK Schaffer, Dominique Battle, DJ Woods, Walter Stewart, Brendan Kay, Dan Giordano, George Winn, Cameron Cheatham, Sean Hooey, Evan Davis, Brandon Mills, Danny Milligan

2009 [his recruits] Maalik Bomar, Chris Williams, Blake Annen, Jordan Stepp, Dan Sprague, Austen Bujnoch

Good point. The 2010 also did not buy into Jones. His coaching style was very different from BK. Many of the players, mainly seniors on the team, did not care for Jones. I have heard this from a player and Pead alluded to this in interviews. Pead said 2011 was possible because the players started to buy into what Jones was preaching.

^^ Yup. And you are going to get that when you have a coaching change. I fully suspect that when a new coach comes in here we will see some guys struggle with the new coaching philosophy and style. Some will leave. Some will stay and struggle to adapt. There will be others who will completely buy in and be better for it. It might take a year but we'll get there. I am willing to take it on a chin a little next year if it means we go back to having 10+ wins a seasons every year for a few years (because we are not going to get there with how things are currently).

(10-20-2016 07:09 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 05:52 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 10:21 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 08:40 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Thank you. This situation is light years from then. Most schools were independent in the time UC was. We also have a gorgeous up to date stadium and a new basketball arena on the horizon. I attended UC during the dark times, this is not even close to then.

It appears you should have paid more attention in the 500 attendee English classes held in Zimmer back then.

I never suggested that UC is in the same place as the mid-80's. My comment was directed towards Koch's "history" lesson. And that Bohn's response to his and Ono/Williams/BOT/Davenport's collective failure is to pay Koch for a puff piece.

And "most schools were independent in the time UC was" is clearly inaccurate. The Big Ten, Pacific Coast Conference, Southwest Conference, Atlantic Coast Conference, Southeastern Conference, and the Southern Conference represented the vast majority of major college football.

When UC was part of the Metro conference all of those schools were independent in football. As far as what the heck you are complaining about now, the onus would fall on Zimpher/Williams who were content to sit still and not invest further in athletics. One could say that if the renovations to Nippert/ 5/3rd had taken place earlier, ala Louisville then a stronger case could have been made for both ACC and Big XII membership 5 years ago. As far as who may be at fault for the this latest go round, call the Big XII, who it seems are the poster children for deceit and dysfunction. Not sure you can blame our leaders for their mess.

What I would like to see from UC going forward:

1. A strong commitment to the American. Instability and the desire to be in a power conference killed the value of first Big East/American TV deal. Sign a GOR if you can get at least six million dollars per year. Put the conference in a position where it can pick up the leftover Big XII schools when it implodes. It will be cheaper for ESPN to pay Iowa State and Baylor closer to $10 million dollars than it will be pay them $25 million. Let the American be a position to grow with the best of the rest or pick up the left behind schools.

2. Creative and aggressive basketball scheduling. Its about time to give up some of the buy games and schedule two to three more quality home games and go on the road a few more times as well. There a lot of really good schools in the Big East, A-10, Mountain West, WCC, and Missouri Valley that probably would jump at a home and home with UC. I wouldn't be against select 2-1 for games against power conference schools if needed or 2-1 for in the UC's favor with upper tier MAC programs.

3. Creative and smart football scheduling. Unlike basketball, UC needs to avoid playing the top tier schools from power conferences. Right now playing road games at the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, or Florida State is dangerous because those teams have the ability to blowout UC and set the program back in public perception. I would look into scheduling 2-1 for against mid tier power conference schools if they do not want to give UC a home and home. Also 2-1 in UC's favor against MAC and regional C-USA schools could work too. I would continue to schedule games against BYU and upper tier schools outside of the power structure.

4. Better branding. UC has a great history and its time it uses that to its advantage. I would be going all out this year for the 25th anniversary of the 1992 Final Four team. Classic C-Paw merchandise and other items. Every year I would honor one throwback football team and one throwback basketball team based on an anniversary year or special event. Merchandise with old logos to go with stories that can be told. The creation of a new secondary athletic logo could help too.

5. Better stadium and arena experiences. If the scoreboard isn't very good don't use it as often and let the band play or the students and cheerleaders cheer. If you can't give updated scores don't give them at all. Better food and beverage options. Stadium giveaways. Less color coded games in football and maybe a few more in basketball. Incorporate McMicken Lawn and TUC during football pregame. Bring back midnight madness.

6. Use the Big XII snub to your advantage. UC would have probably ended up a mid-tier Big XII school in both sports. UC can be a top tier G5 football program and a basketball power. It takes good coaching and support from the students, alumni, fans, and administration to get there but it can be done.

I agree with most of what you have said. I especially agree with points #2-6, which should be done regardless of what they decide to do about #1. That Michigan game next year is a no-win for UC IMO. If we lose big it is a killer and if we lose close it does not help us either. Given the way they have kicked the basketball can down the road, I think we might have to tell them no-thanks and find someone else to schedule-- even if it costs us some cash short term.

(10-20-2016 07:09 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  What I would like to see from UC going forward:

1. A strong commitment to the American. Instability and the desire to be in a power conference killed the value of first Big East/American TV deal. Sign a GOR if you can get at least six million dollars per year. Put the conference in a position where it can pick up the leftover Big XII schools when it implodes. It will be cheaper for ESPN to pay Iowa State and Baylor closer to $10 million dollars than it will be pay them $25 million. Let the American be a position to grow with the best of the rest or pick up the left behind schools.

2. Creative and aggressive basketball scheduling. Its about time to give up some of the buy games and schedule two to three more quality home games and go on the road a few more times as well. There a lot of really good schools in the Big East, A-10, Mountain West, WCC, and Missouri Valley that probably would jump at a home and home with UC. I wouldn't be against select 2-1 for games against power conference schools if needed or 2-1 for in the UC's favor with upper tier MAC programs.

3. Creative and smart football scheduling. Unlike basketball, UC needs to avoid playing the top tier schools from power conferences. Right now playing road games at the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, or Florida State is dangerous because those teams have the ability to blowout UC and set the program back in public perception. I would look into scheduling 2-1 for against mid tier power conference schools if they do not want to give UC a home and home. Also 2-1 in UC's favor against MAC and regional C-USA schools could work too. I would continue to schedule games against BYU and upper tier schools outside of the power structure.

4. Better branding. UC has a great history and its time it uses that to its advantage. I would be going all out this year for the 25th anniversary of the 1992 Final Four team. Classic C-Paw merchandise and other items. Every year I would honor one throwback football team and one throwback basketball team based on an anniversary year or special event. Merchandise with old logos to go with stories that can be told. The creation of a new secondary athletic logo could help too.

5. Better stadium and arena experiences. If the scoreboard isn't very good don't use it as often and let the band play or the students and cheerleaders cheer. If you can't give updated scores don't give them at all. Better food and beverage options. Stadium giveaways. Less color coded games in football and maybe a few more in basketball. Incorporate McMicken Lawn and TUC during football pregame. Bring back midnight madness.

6. Use the Big XII snub to your advantage. UC would have probably ended up a mid-tier Big XII school in both sports. UC can be a top tier G5 football program and a basketball power. It takes good coaching and support from the students, alumni, fans, and administration to get there but it can be done.

Really good post. And what's best about most of these things is that they don't cost a ton of money. The branding thing is what really sticks out to me. Tell UA to use the hell out of the C Paw. It is iconic and it looks damn cool. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel.

And yes, scheduling needs to be better. Period. For basketball to take the next step they need to start getting some marquee ooc wins. And in football I agree you don't really need to play the big boys. If UC can stay undefeated at least long into the season they will be discussed nationally as a possible bracket buster which is great for the program. See Houston. Hell getting snubbed after an undefeated season would lead to endless national conversation.

I know this has been beat to hell, but firing TT would show the fans that UC is committing to winning football P5 or not. I know it's expensive but it is imperative that it's done.