I think it would be advantageous for BYU to join the Big 12, even without Texas & Oklahoma, because of the stability that would come with a conference schedule as well as the post season opportunities. BYU would have the highest attendance and be one of the schools that shapes conference decisions. A reeling Big 12 would also need BYU More than BYU needs them and are likely to give BYU favorable terms when joining and maybe even a say in who they rebuild with.

(10-19-2016 05:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think it would be advantageous for BYU to join the Big 12, even without Texas & Oklahoma, because of the stability that would come with a conference schedule as well as the post season opportunities. BYU would have the highest attendance and be one of the schools that shapes conference decisions. A reeling Big 12 would also need BYU More than BYU needs them and are likely to give BYU favorable terms when joining and maybe even a say in who they rebuild with.

Nice assessment.

(10-18-2016 01:48 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Byu might want to join the aac as a football only now. This would allow the aac to add 1 full member and go with 14 for football. If army and Air Force also joined, aac would have 12 full and 4 football only.

Byu, army, navy, afa
Tulsa, smu, Houston, Tulane
Uconn, temple, cincy, Memphis
Ecu, USf, ucf, x

Air Force to the wcc with Seattle or Denver. Team 12 for the aac from the pool of umass, odu or Uab

The AAC isn't getting BYU, Army, or Air Force.

They probably could poach off CUSA and the Sunbelt. But that's as good as this conference is going to get.

(10-18-2016 01:41 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  BYU clearly overplayed its hand. They now appear to be out of options for the foreseeable future. Not smart.

You are clearly not a doctor. Not smart.

BYU can't even get the original founders of the MWC to schedule them in any sport and yet they think they are too good to join the Big 8 schools (If OU & UT left)
Hey Aresco: if you want to get BYU into the AAC tell your schools to not schedule BYU. They'll be forced to join the AAC because they won't be able to make an Indy schedule work. Follow the MWC old guard lead. Call BYU's bluff. They aren't joining a P5 any time soon. BYU will be forced to join the AAC.
Cheers!

(10-19-2016 05:46 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  BYU can't even get the original founders of the MWC to schedule them in any sport and yet they think they are too good to join the Big 8 schools (If OU & UT left)
Hey Aresco: if you want to get BYU into the AAC tell your schools to not schedule BYU. They'll be forced to join the AAC because they won't be able to make an Indy schedule work. Follow the MWC old guard lead. Call BYU's bluff. They aren't joining a P5 any time soon. BYU will be forced to join the AAC.
Cheers!

The AAC will never be in a position force BYU to do anything they don't want to do.

(10-19-2016 05:46 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  BYU can't even get the original founders of the MWC to schedule them in any sport and yet they think they are too good to join the Big 8 schools (If OU & UT left)
Hey Aresco: if you want to get BYU into the AAC tell your schools to not schedule BYU. They'll be forced to join the AAC because they won't be able to make an Indy schedule work. Follow the MWC old guard lead. Call BYU's bluff. They aren't joining a P5 any time soon. BYU will be forced to join the AAC.
Cheers!

Yeah, having Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, Wyoming, and San Diego State not schedule BYU has sure forced them back to the MWC, didn't it? The AAC should try that too. #logichuh?

BYU is not interested in a G5 conference for the time being and it has nothing to do with being "too good" to join the Big 8.

(10-19-2016 06:28 PM)f1do Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 05:46 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  BYU can't even get the original founders of the MWC to schedule them in any sport and yet they think they are too good to join the Big 8 schools (If OU & UT left)
Hey Aresco: if you want to get BYU into the AAC tell your schools to not schedule BYU. They'll be forced to join the AAC because they won't be able to make an Indy schedule work. Follow the MWC old guard lead. Call BYU's bluff. They aren't joining a P5 any time soon. BYU will be forced to join the AAC.
Cheers!

Yeah, having Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, Wyoming, and San Diego State not schedule BYU has sure forced them back to the MWC, didn't it? The AAC should try that too. #logichuh?

BYU is not interested in a G5 conference for the time being and it has nothing to do with being "too good" to join the Big 8.

You are posting on a thread started by a BYU fan saying you guys are too good to join the Big 8. He said that the Big 8 would only be able to attract BYU if their was an unequal sharing situation in BYU's favor. WTF? So..."It has nothing to with being too good to join the Big 8"---please explain Sir.
Cheers!

Billybobby, see my comments below in bold.

(10-19-2016 09:33 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Ok: please address these discrepancies:
1. I see 1 home game and 2 road games each for the USC & Stanford. 2 for 1's?

Yes. And, before you bash the 2-for-1, these are excellent games for BYU. P5 opponents over Thanksgiving weekend, opposite of the ND-USC/Stanford games.

BYU has tons of fans in both northern and southern California.

2. On all future schedules for both BYU & ND, I don't see Anything with ND coming to Provo in 2020.

Notre Dame and BYU agreed to abridge the original 6-game deal to one game in Provo by 2020. So, I put the game in 2020.

3. I dont see more than 5 home games on any future schedule for BYU.

BYU will have at least 6 home games every year.

4. I don't see the Utah games on the schedule after 2020.

Last year, BYU and Utah extended their series to 2020. They will extend it again sometime in the next 2-3 years.

5. I don't see many AAC and MWC teams on the schedule after next 2 seasons.
Cheers!

BYU doesn't need to schedule AAC or MWC opponents more than a couple of seasons in advance.

(10-19-2016 06:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  Billybobby, see my comments below in bold.

(10-19-2016 09:33 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Ok: please address these discrepancies:
1. I see 1 home game and 2 road games each for the USC & Stanford. 2 for 1's?

Yes. And, before you bash the 2-for-1, these are excellent games for BYU. P5 opponents over Thanksgiving weekend, opposite of the ND-USC/Stanford games.

BYU has tons of fans in both northern and southern California.

2. On all future schedules for both BYU & ND, I don't see Anything with ND coming to Provo in 2020.

Notre Dame and BYU agreed to abridge the original 6-game deal to one game in Provo by 2020. So, I put the game in 2020.

3. I dont see more than 5 home games on any future schedule for BYU.

BYU will have at least 6 home games every year.

4. I don't see the Utah games on the schedule after 2020.

Last year, BYU and Utah extended their series to 2020. They will extend it again sometime in the next 2-3 years.

5. I don't see many AAC and MWC teams on the schedule after next 2 seasons.
Cheers!

BYU doesn't need to schedule AAC or MWC opponents more than a couple of seasons in advance.

You don't need "more than a couple of seasons in advance to schedule AAC or MWC opponents."---ECU is booked out for 6 years at least. We host you guys next year and it will be a very long time before we ever have an opening for BYU again. We have 3 P5 opponents per year most years coming up. Enjoy Greenville next season as it will be your one and only opportunity to play us again. Good luck getting the other AAC teams to schedule you again either.
Cheers!

(10-19-2016 06:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  Billybobby, see my comments below in bold.

[quote='billybobby777' pid='13695475' dateline='1476887582']
4. I don't see the Utah games on the schedule after 2020.

Last year, BYU and Utah extended their series to 2020. They will extend it again sometime in the next 2-3 years.

That contract has not been signed. We'll see if the legislature continues to threaten to pull academic funding and otherwise coerce UU/USU into continuing to play BYU, and how much longer that can go on before the school presidents say enough is enough.

These kind of dealings are why BYU has the well-deserved reputation of being a poor partner.

(10-19-2016 05:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think it would be advantageous for BYU to join the Big 12, even without Texas & Oklahoma, because of the stability that would come with a conference schedule as well as the post season opportunities. BYU would have the highest attendance and be one of the schools that shapes conference decisions.

Which is why the decision hinges on whether the "remaining 8" are still in a P5 conference or not. It would be to BYU's benefit, so if it isn't seen as an admission of permanently lower status than Utah, they'll do it.

But if it is seen as such an admission, they won't.

Quote: A reeling Big 12 would also need BYU More than BYU needs them and are likely to give BYU favorable terms when joining and maybe even a say in who they rebuild with.

Sure, but it's not about the "terms" of the membership, it's about the status of the conference they are joining versus the status of the conference that Utah is already a member of.

(10-19-2016 08:48 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 06:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  Billybobby, see my comments below in bold.

[quote='billybobby777' pid='13695475' dateline='1476887582']
4. I don't see the Utah games on the schedule after 2020.

Last year, BYU and Utah extended their series to 2020. They will extend it again sometime in the next 2-3 years.

That contract has not been signed. We'll see if the legislature continues to threaten to pull academic funding and otherwise coerce UU/USU into continuing to play BYU, and how much longer that can go on before the school presidents say enough is enough.

These kind of dealings are why BYU has the well-deserved reputation of being a poor partner.

You think Utah is being coerced to play BYU? Dr. Hill (AD for Utah) has never said football was going to take a permanent break from scheduling BYU.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/86563...-2018.html
“The message I have received loud and clear from Utah season ticket holders is that they support our decision to take a two-year hiatus from the BYU rivalry in order to play Michigan at our place,” he said. [Utah played a H/H with Michigan in the 2014/2015 seasons]
And to further upset you, Dr. Hill says in that story that dates were already being discussed for 2021 and 2022 (this was in August 2015) but they don't like to announce it until the contracts are signed. That Utah wants to permanently remove BYU from future football schedules is message board fantasy.

The audit threat you referenced came in January 2016 after the 2016-17 season basketball game @ Provo was cancelled for obviously made up reasons (player safety) by Coach Krystkowiak following their 2015-16 matchup in Salt Lake City.

You think USU is being coerced to play BYU?
http://www.fbschedules.com/2015/02/byu-u...ries-2020/
“We are excited to continue our home and home series with BYU long-term,” said Utah State VP and Director of Athletics Scott Barnes. “This rivalry is important to both institutions and the state of Utah.”
Part of the reason this rivalry is so important to Utah State is because Utah has pretty much broken off their games with Utah State. Utah has no future games scheduled with Utah State, hasn't played in Logan since 2008, and has only played them 3 times in the past 7 years--all in Salt Lake City.

But yeah, that BYU is sure the bad guy when it comes to scheduling football games with Utah or Utah State--having to threaten and coerce them into playing them.

(10-19-2016 06:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 06:28 PM)f1do Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 05:46 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  BYU can't even get the original founders of the MWC to schedule them in any sport and yet they think they are too good to join the Big 8 schools (If OU & UT left)
Hey Aresco: if you want to get BYU into the AAC tell your schools to not schedule BYU. They'll be forced to join the AAC because they won't be able to make an Indy schedule work. Follow the MWC old guard lead. Call BYU's bluff. They aren't joining a P5 any time soon. BYU will be forced to join the AAC.
Cheers!

Yeah, having Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, Wyoming, and San Diego State not schedule BYU has sure forced them back to the MWC, didn't it? The AAC should try that too. #logichuh?

BYU is not interested in a G5 conference for the time being and it has nothing to do with being "too good" to join the Big 8.

You are posting on a thread started by a BYU fan saying you guys are too good to join the Big 8. He said that the Big 8 would only be able to attract BYU if their was an unequal sharing situation in BYU's favor. WTF? So..."It has nothing to with being too good to join the Big 8"---please explain Sir.
Cheers!

You act as if that one BYU fan is the spokesman for all BYU fans. Guess what--I hold a different opinion. Shocker, right?

(10-19-2016 06:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  Billybobby, see my comments below in bold.

(10-19-2016 09:33 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Ok: please address these discrepancies:
1. I see 1 home game and 2 road games each for the USC & Stanford. 2 for 1's?

Yes. And, before you bash the 2-for-1, these are excellent games for BYU. P5 opponents over Thanksgiving weekend, opposite of the ND-USC/Stanford games.

BYU has tons of fans in both northern and southern California.

2. On all future schedules for both BYU & ND, I don't see Anything with ND coming to Provo in 2020.

Notre Dame and BYU agreed to abridge the original 6-game deal to one game in Provo by 2020. So, I put the game in 2020.

3. I dont see more than 5 home games on any future schedule for BYU.

BYU will have at least 6 home games every year.

4. I don't see the Utah games on the schedule after 2020.

Last year, BYU and Utah extended their series to 2020. They will extend it again sometime in the next 2-3 years.

5. I don't see many AAC and MWC teams on the schedule after next 2 seasons.
Cheers!

BYU doesn't need to schedule AAC or MWC opponents more than a couple of seasons in advance.

2. On all future schedules for both BYU & ND, I don't see Anything with ND coming to Provo in 2020.
The original deal was essentially 2 2-for-1 deals. BYU had already played twice in South Bend when ND entered in their scheduling deal with the ACC. At that point, they agreed to cancel the 2nd 2-for-1 deal with no penalty, leaving the 1 game @ BYU still to be played. http://www.fbschedules.com/2016/03/futur...-one-game/
BYU will "be patient" in working out a date so I doubt there is a deadline by 2020 anymore.

3. I dont see more than 5 home games on any future schedule for BYU.
BYU hasn't announced any FCS home games on future schedules and hasn't been doing so much in advance.

(10-19-2016 11:55 PM)f1do Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 08:48 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 06:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  Billybobby, see my comments below in bold.

[quote='billybobby777' pid='13695475' dateline='1476887582']
4. I don't see the Utah games on the schedule after 2020.

Last year, BYU and Utah extended their series to 2020. They will extend it again sometime in the next 2-3 years.

That contract has not been signed. We'll see if the legislature continues to threaten to pull academic funding and otherwise coerce UU/USU into continuing to play BYU, and how much longer that can go on before the school presidents say enough is enough.

These kind of dealings are why BYU has the well-deserved reputation of being a poor partner.

You think Utah is being coerced to play BYU? Dr. Hill (AD for Utah) has never said football was going to take a permanent break from scheduling BYU.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/86563...-2018.html
“The message I have received loud and clear from Utah season ticket holders is that they support our decision to take a two-year hiatus from the BYU rivalry in order to play Michigan at our place,” he said.
And to further upset you, Dr. Hill says in that story that dates were already being discussed for 2021 and 2022 but they don't like to announce it until the contracts are signed. That Utah wants to permanently remove BYU from future football schedules is message board fantasy.

You think USU is being coerced to play BYU?
http://www.fbschedules.com/2015/02/byu-u...ries-2020/
“We are excited to continue our home and home series with BYU long-term,” said Utah State VP and Director of Athletics Scott Barnes. “This rivalry is important to both institutions and the state of Utah.”
Part of the reason this rivalry is so important to Utah State is because Utah has pretty much broken off their games with Utah State. Utah has no future games scheduled with Utah State, hasn't played in Logan since 2008, and has only played them 3 times in the past 7 years--all in Salt Lake City.

But yeah, that BYU is sure the bad guy when it comes to scheduling football games with Utah or Utah State--having to threaten and coerce them into playing them.

Utah wants to play USU and NOT BYU for a while. Hill is going to toe the line in public statements until Pershing (president) tells him otherwise. Going into this fiasco there were a few very big money donors who were very strongly in favor of continuing to play BYU but who have now done a 180 (including one who was a very big money donor at your school too into this happened).

It's unfortunate in ways because the origin was not wanting to play Mendenhall coached teams rather than a more institutional issue with BYU. Now, I think there's more institutional bad blood.

(10-20-2016 12:19 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Utah wants to play USU and NOT BYU for a while. Hill is going to toe the line in public statements until Pershing (president) tells him otherwise. Going into this fiasco there were a few very big money donors who were very strongly in favor of continuing to play BYU but who have now done a 180 (including one who was a very big money donor at your school too into this happened).

It's unfortunate in ways because the origin was not wanting to play Mendenhall coached teams rather than a more institutional issue with BYU. Now, I think there's more institutional bad blood.

I've not heard that Utah wants to play Utah State again in football instead of BYU for a while. I guess we will see how that plays out--but Utah's future schedules don't seem to reflect that since the OOC games are booked with signed contracts through 2019.

2017
08/31 - North Dakota
09/09 - at BYU
09/16 - San Jose State

2018
08/30 - Weber State
09/08 - at Northern Illinois
11/24 - BYU

2019
08/29 - at BYU
09/07 - Northern Illinois
09/14 - Idaho State

They could add Utah State in 2020 as the only game currently signed for 2020 for Utah is BYU @ Rice-Eccles Stadium. As a side note, if the 2021 and 2022 games for Utah/BYU do get signed, Utah's OOC games would be full in those years too:

2021
09/02 - Weber State
09/18 - at San Diego State

2022
09/10 - Southern Utah
09/17 - San Diego State

(10-19-2016 11:17 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Utah attempted to take an extended break in the series but Mormon church-aligned state Republicans initiated an audit of Utah's athletic department with thinly veiled threats to pull not athletic funding but actual university educational funding if the series was not reinstated.

I don't think Utah or Utah State are very happy about that kind of coercion being applied to make BYU's independent schedule workable
and would take the opportunity to quit playing BYU for the foreseeable future if not for fear of legislative reprisal from the theocratic arm of the local GOP.

Boo hoo you should be playing every year. If that's what it takes to keep you playing a series you absolutely should be playing every single year so be it. It's one of the legitimate great rivalries in football. It's a game I routinely watch despite the fact I've never been to the state of Utah and have no reason to care because you can just look at it and tell it matters and means a lot to everyone involved.

(10-20-2016 08:14 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 11:17 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Utah attempted to take an extended break in the series but Mormon church-aligned state Republicans initiated an audit of Utah's athletic department with thinly veiled threats to pull not athletic funding but actual university educational funding if the series was not reinstated.

I don't think Utah or Utah State are very happy about that kind of coercion being applied to make BYU's independent schedule workable
and would take the opportunity to quit playing BYU for the foreseeable future if not for fear of legislative reprisal from the theocratic arm of the local GOP.

Boo hoo you should be playing every year. If that's what it takes to keep you playing a series you absolutely should be playing every single year so be it. It's one of the legitimate great rivalries in football. It's a game I routinely watch despite the fact I've never been to the state of Utah and have no reason to care because you can just look at it and tell it matters and means a lot to everyone involved.

This.

Expansion has cost college football many of her great rivalries.

Yeah ... I've never understood why so many great rivals have taken this attitude of "it'd be better if we just walked away from each other ... and piss on our fans".

Kudos to the ones that make it work every year: Iowa Iowa St, Colorado CO St, ... and I thought Utah BYU was one of those too. Should be.


As to Utah Utah St, it clearly seems Utah is more interested in playing local FCS schools (Southern Utah, Weber St, Idaho St) for easy wins. Shameful.