The run is not over because of conference. That's ludicrous.
At our best during the Kelly era, we were the best team in the 6th best conference and had access to a major bowl.

At our best in the AAC, we could be the best team in the 6th best conference and have access to a major bowl.

Cincinnati would have made the playoffs in 2009.
Houston would have made the playoffs if they ran the table this year.

The difference is money. I get it. Money buys you the best coaches, the best facilities, and those turn into the best recruits, which turns into winning, which turns into fan support, which brings more money and the circle of life continues.

But we don't have to have more money and resources than the other five conferences. We just have to be at the top of the AAC and try our hand in a big bowl, like Houston did to FSU, like UCF did to Baylor. Like Boise State did to Arizona.

The deck IS stacked in college football. But not against us. Its stacked against the Purdues, Minnesotas, Vanderbilts, and Iowa States of the world.

There is only a small group of 10-15 teams who can actually win the national title. Everyone else is collecting a paycheck.

Meanwhile the AAC is waiting for their one big shot, and so far, they've taken advantage of them.

Who has a better chance of playing in a NY6 Bowl, Cincinnati or Kentucky?...so what does that extra 25 million really get them? A 5-7 record and a new scoreboard? Good for them.

The AAC has had great success with hiring the blue blood coordinators who are young, hungry, and WIN. Thats the winning formula in this conference. Tommy Tuberville is a bad fit for UC and a bad fit for the AAC.

Former big-tim coordinators like Herman, Rhule, Frost, Fuente, Morris, will eventually dominate this league, and likely the big teams they play in bowl games, until they land that Top 15 job.

Please take the AAC for what it is, and quit pretending that UC football was some kind of powerhouse that could dominate if they were in a big money conference.

Maybe we should try and dominate our own league first.

Money is not the problem if you're limiting yourself to the AAC. We've got plenty of money to dominate in the AAC and we spend more than all but one G5 school...largely through nearly 50% general fund/student fees subsidies to prop ourselves up. Despite that, we just don't compete.

Years from now yesterday will be seen as the single date and event that relegated UC to the minors.

(10-18-2016 10:01 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  The run is not over because of conference. That's ludicrous.
At our best during the Kelly era, we were the best team in the 6th best conference and had access to a major bowl.

At our best in the AAC, we could be the best team in the 6th best conference and have access to a major bowl.

Cincinnati would have made the playoffs in 2009.
Houston would have made the playoffs if they ran the table this year.

The difference is money. I get it. Money buys you the best coaches, the best facilities, and those turn into the best recruits, which turns into winning, which turns into fan support, which brings more money and the circle of life continues.

But we don't have to have more money and resources than the other five conferences. We just have to be at the top of the AAC and try our hand in a big bowl, like Houston did to FSU, like UCF did to Baylor. Like Boise State did to Arizona.

The deck IS stacked in college football. But not against us. Its stacked against the Purdues, Minnesotas, Vanderbilts, and Iowa States of the world.

There is only a small group of 10-15 teams who can actually win the national title. Everyone else is collecting a paycheck.

Meanwhile the AAC is waiting for their one big shot, and so far, they've taken advantage of them.

Who has a better chance of playing in a NY6 Bowl, Cincinnati or Kentucky?...so what does that extra 25 million really get them? A 5-7 record and a new scoreboard? Good for them.

The AAC has had great success with hiring the blue blood coordinators who are young, hungry, and WIN. Thats the winning formula in this conference. Tommy Tuberville is a bad fit for UC and a bad fit for the AAC.

Former big-tim coordinators like Herman, Rhule, Frost, Fuente, Morris, will eventually dominate this league, and likely the big teams they play in bowl games, until they land that Top 15 job.

Please take the AAC for what it is, and quit pretending that UC football was some kind of powerhouse that could dominate if they were in a big money conference.

Maybe we should try and dominate our own league first.

Well written analysis on "the day after".

Honestly I think the AAC is starting to step up and I think turning into a conference with potential. I'd like to see them strike and maybe try to add BYU (Though they have baggage and not sure they really want to come). But it can't hurt to look. Maybe try to get a few other top tiered G5 schools and try to build up the brand. Maybe when the next contract is up, Fox sees value and pays more or forces ESPN to up the ante. We probably aren't a $15 million a team league, but I could see $10 maybe, which would help. Maybe enough teams improve that we become a P6 league. At this point, look to build up the AAC until realignment comes again. I still don't think it is over, but it may be a few more years. Maybe the ACC will look to get into Ohio now that they are looking at a network. I still think ESPN wants to keep us on the cheap, so they likely will continue to hold us back, but who knows. Maybe getting the ACC network into Ohio makes the numbers big enough to merit getting UC into the ACC.

Maybe ESPN's grand scheme is to kill the Big 12 (Which they have almost done) and didn't want to pay UC big money to go to a dying conference, but instead want them in the ACC so that they can get the ACC network into Ohio. I know I can barely say that with a straight face. :)

(10-18-2016 10:34 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  Honestly I think the AAC is starting to step up and I think turning into a conference with potential. I'd like to see them strike and maybe try to add BYU (Though they have baggage and not sure they really want to come). But it can't hurt to look. Maybe try to get a few other top tiered G5 schools and try to build up the brand. Maybe when the next contract is up, Fox sees value and pays more or forces ESPN to up the ante. We probably aren't a $15 million a team league, but I could see $10 maybe, which would help. Maybe enough teams improve that we become a P6 league. At this point, look to build up the AAC until realignment comes again. I still don't think it is over, but it may be a few more years. Maybe the ACC will look to get into Ohio now that they are looking at a network. I still think ESPN wants to keep us on the cheap, so they likely will continue to hold us back, but who knows. Maybe getting the ACC network into Ohio makes the numbers big enough to merit getting UC into the ACC.

Maybe ESPN's grand scheme is to kill the Big 12 (Which they have almost done) and didn't want to pay UC big money to go to a dying conference, but instead want them in the ACC so that they can get the ACC network into Ohio. I know I can barely say that with a straight face. :)

There wont ever be a P6. They are going the opposite way towards P4.

(10-18-2016 10:45 AM)Spinal070508 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:34 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  Honestly I think the AAC is starting to step up and I think turning into a conference with potential. I'd like to see them strike and maybe try to add BYU (Though they have baggage and not sure they really want to come). But it can't hurt to look. Maybe try to get a few other top tiered G5 schools and try to build up the brand. Maybe when the next contract is up, Fox sees value and pays more or forces ESPN to up the ante. We probably aren't a $15 million a team league, but I could see $10 maybe, which would help. Maybe enough teams improve that we become a P6 league. At this point, look to build up the AAC until realignment comes again. I still don't think it is over, but it may be a few more years. Maybe the ACC will look to get into Ohio now that they are looking at a network. I still think ESPN wants to keep us on the cheap, so they likely will continue to hold us back, but who knows. Maybe getting the ACC network into Ohio makes the numbers big enough to merit getting UC into the ACC.

Maybe ESPN's grand scheme is to kill the Big 12 (Which they have almost done) and didn't want to pay UC big money to go to a dying conference, but instead want them in the ACC so that they can get the ACC network into Ohio. I know I can barely say that with a straight face. :)

There wont ever be a P6. They are going the opposite way towards P4.

Agreed. The Big 12 will no longer exist in the next 5-10 years and it'll be a P4.

Of course it's over!!! CAN'T YOU SEE IT YOU FOOL! There is zero reason to root for the football team that represents the school we all attended and that represents our city! NO REASON. In fact, I've already decided to entertain enrolling at Blue Blood University because that's how much of a fairweather prissy I am. Let's revert back to the attitude that helped us fall behind this time. I'm SO ready to be JUST a basketball school again, because forward thinking!!!

In all seriousness, I'll see half of you at Homecoming, and don't forget, WEAR BLACK. Black Out Homecoming.

(10-18-2016 10:01 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  The run is not over because of conference. That's ludicrous.
At our best during the Kelly era, we were the best team in the 6th best conference and had access to a major bowl.

At our best in the AAC, we could be the best team in the 6th best conference and have access to a major bowl.

Cincinnati would have made the playoffs in 2009.
Houston would have made the playoffs if they ran the table this year.

The difference is money. I get it. Money buys you the best coaches, the best facilities, and those turn into the best recruits, which turns into winning, which turns into fan support, which brings more money and the circle of life continues.

But we don't have to have more money and resources than the other five conferences. We just have to be at the top of the AAC and try our hand in a big bowl, like Houston did to FSU, like UCF did to Baylor. Like Boise State did to Arizona.

The deck IS stacked in college football. But not against us. Its stacked against the Purdues, Minnesotas, Vanderbilts, and Iowa States of the world.

There is only a small group of 10-15 teams who can actually win the national title. Everyone else is collecting a paycheck.

Meanwhile the AAC is waiting for their one big shot, and so far, they've taken advantage of them.

Who has a better chance of playing in a NY6 Bowl, Cincinnati or Kentucky?...so what does that extra 25 million really get them? A 5-7 record and a new scoreboard? Good for them.

The AAC has had great success with hiring the blue blood coordinators who are young, hungry, and WIN. Thats the winning formula in this conference. Tommy Tuberville is a bad fit for UC and a bad fit for the AAC.

Former big-tim coordinators like Herman, Rhule, Frost, Fuente, Morris, will eventually dominate this league, and likely the big teams they play in bowl games, until they land that Top 15 job.

Please take the AAC for what it is, and quit pretending that UC football was some kind of powerhouse that could dominate if they were in a big money conference.

Maybe we should try and dominate our own league first.

+1. i have bouts of naivete every now and again and maybe this is one of those moments, but if we need to be, for lack of a better term, best of the rest, then so be it. Lock down the AAC, force the issue with the P5 establishment and make them gag on their arrogance.

(10-18-2016 10:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Money is not the problem if you're limiting yourself to the AAC. We've got plenty of money to dominate in the AAC and we spend more than all but one G5 school...largely through nearly 50% general fund/student fees subsidies to prop ourselves up. Despite that, we just don't compete.

Years from now yesterday will be seen as the single date and event that relegated UC to the minors.

Everyone has an opinion...I choose not to believe in yours....Go Cats!!!!

(10-18-2016 11:23 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:01 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  The run is not over because of conference. That's ludicrous.
At our best during the Kelly era, we were the best team in the 6th best conference and had access to a major bowl.

At our best in the AAC, we could be the best team in the 6th best conference and have access to a major bowl.

Cincinnati would have made the playoffs in 2009.
Houston would have made the playoffs if they ran the table this year.

The difference is money. I get it. Money buys you the best coaches, the best facilities, and those turn into the best recruits, which turns into winning, which turns into fan support, which brings more money and the circle of life continues.

But we don't have to have more money and resources than the other five conferences. We just have to be at the top of the AAC and try our hand in a big bowl, like Houston did to FSU, like UCF did to Baylor. Like Boise State did to Arizona.

The deck IS stacked in college football. But not against us. Its stacked against the Purdues, Minnesotas, Vanderbilts, and Iowa States of the world.

There is only a small group of 10-15 teams who can actually win the national title. Everyone else is collecting a paycheck.

Meanwhile the AAC is waiting for their one big shot, and so far, they've taken advantage of them.

Who has a better chance of playing in a NY6 Bowl, Cincinnati or Kentucky?...so what does that extra 25 million really get them? A 5-7 record and a new scoreboard? Good for them.

The AAC has had great success with hiring the blue blood coordinators who are young, hungry, and WIN. Thats the winning formula in this conference. Tommy Tuberville is a bad fit for UC and a bad fit for the AAC.

Former big-tim coordinators like Herman, Rhule, Frost, Fuente, Morris, will eventually dominate this league, and likely the big teams they play in bowl games, until they land that Top 15 job.

Please take the AAC for what it is, and quit pretending that UC football was some kind of powerhouse that could dominate if they were in a big money conference.

Maybe we should try and dominate our own league first.

+1. i have bouts of naivete every now and again and maybe this is one of those moments, but if we need to be, for lack of a better term, best of the rest, then so be it. Lock down the AAC, force the issue with the P5 establishment and make them gag on their arrogance.

I agree in principle. But we're a looooong way from being the class of the eastern division let alone the entire AAC.

(10-18-2016 11:12 AM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  Of course it's over!!! CAN'T YOU SEE IT YOU FOOL! There is zero reason to root for the football team that represents the school we all attended and that represents our city! NO REASON. In fact, I've already decided to entertain enrolling at Blue Blood University because that's how much of a fairweather prissy I am. Let's revert back to the attitude that helped us fall behind this time. I'm SO ready to be JUST a basketball school again, because forward thinking!!!

In all seriousness, I'll see half of you at Homecoming, and don't forget, WEAR BLACK. Black Out Homecoming.

My correspondence from UC says Ring of Red Game.

i guess now's the time to accept that the aac isn't that bad. it's like buying a used car and just getting used to its quirks. partly because you don't have the money to buy a new one

(10-18-2016 11:27 AM)DDaddy Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 11:12 AM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  Of course it's over!!! CAN'T YOU SEE IT YOU FOOL! There is zero reason to root for the football team that represents the school we all attended and that represents our city! NO REASON. In fact, I've already decided to entertain enrolling at Blue Blood University because that's how much of a fairweather prissy I am. Let's revert back to the attitude that helped us fall behind this time. I'm SO ready to be JUST a basketball school again, because forward thinking!!!

In all seriousness, I'll see half of you at Homecoming, and don't forget, WEAR BLACK. Black Out Homecoming.

My correspondence from UC says Ring of Red Game.

Its a form of protest, while still showing up to support the players, give the AD more money for a buyout and a new coaching staff, and show that even when we are having a losing year that this school has a fanbase that will show up and make any conference proud.

Wear black for a ring of red, show we don't like the way they're doing things. There are two different all black "fire Tubs" shirts for sale that many have purchased for this upcoming game.

(10-18-2016 10:01 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  Cincinnati would have made the playoffs in 2009.
Houston would have made the playoffs if they ran the table this year.

The difference is money. I get it.

No way any G5 team ever, ever, ever gets into the playoffs. The big boys will never allow it. Houston could win every game, they simply would not be chosen over a one loss team from the cartel.

P5 teams are already throwing their League Championship games so that the entire league gets a bigger payday. Even the league refs are in on the fix. So far no underdog has ever won their League Championship game knocking out the sure bet for the playoff - and never will. Way too much money lost for all league members.

You are right about one thing, "The difference is money." Crazy money in college football has destroyed the competitive balance and the integrity/fairness of the game. These guys make Pete Rose look like a saint.

This whole situation is Cincinnati in a nutshell. Look at all the money CVG threw at Delta. Basically the same thing.

All I can say is Germans / Pearl Harbor

(10-18-2016 11:27 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 11:23 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:01 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  The run is not over because of conference. That's ludicrous.
At our best during the Kelly era, we were the best team in the 6th best conference and had access to a major bowl.

At our best in the AAC, we could be the best team in the 6th best conference and have access to a major bowl.

Cincinnati would have made the playoffs in 2009.
Houston would have made the playoffs if they ran the table this year.

The difference is money. I get it. Money buys you the best coaches, the best facilities, and those turn into the best recruits, which turns into winning, which turns into fan support, which brings more money and the circle of life continues.

But we don't have to have more money and resources than the other five conferences. We just have to be at the top of the AAC and try our hand in a big bowl, like Houston did to FSU, like UCF did to Baylor. Like Boise State did to Arizona.

The deck IS stacked in college football. But not against us. Its stacked against the Purdues, Minnesotas, Vanderbilts, and Iowa States of the world.

There is only a small group of 10-15 teams who can actually win the national title. Everyone else is collecting a paycheck.

Meanwhile the AAC is waiting for their one big shot, and so far, they've taken advantage of them.

Who has a better chance of playing in a NY6 Bowl, Cincinnati or Kentucky?...so what does that extra 25 million really get them? A 5-7 record and a new scoreboard? Good for them.

The AAC has had great success with hiring the blue blood coordinators who are young, hungry, and WIN. Thats the winning formula in this conference. Tommy Tuberville is a bad fit for UC and a bad fit for the AAC.

Former big-tim coordinators like Herman, Rhule, Frost, Fuente, Morris, will eventually dominate this league, and likely the big teams they play in bowl games, until they land that Top 15 job.

Please take the AAC for what it is, and quit pretending that UC football was some kind of powerhouse that could dominate if they were in a big money conference.

Maybe we should try and dominate our own league first.

+1. i have bouts of naivete every now and again and maybe this is one of those moments, but if we need to be, for lack of a better term, best of the rest, then so be it. Lock down the AAC, force the issue with the P5 establishment and make them gag on their arrogance.

I agree in principle. But we're a looooong way from being the class of the eastern division let alone the entire AAC.

Undoubtedly. And now that the expansion thing is off the table we can focus on the necessary changes which can be discussed in a number of threads already up and running. Bottom line, getting snubbed by the B12 was always a possibility, if not probability. Let's hope that a plan B/C/XYZ is in place for our next steps.

(10-18-2016 10:34 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  Honestly I think the AAC is starting to step up and I think turning into a conference with potential. I'd like to see them strike and maybe try to add BYU (Though they have baggage and not sure they really want to come). But it can't hurt to look. Maybe try to get a few other top tiered G5 schools and try to build up the brand. Maybe when the next contract is up, Fox sees value and pays more or forces ESPN to up the ante. We probably aren't a $15 million a team league, but I could see $10 maybe, which would help. Maybe enough teams improve that we become a P6 league. At this point, look to build up the AAC until realignment comes again. I still don't think it is over, but it may be a few more years. Maybe the ACC will look to get into Ohio now that they are looking at a network. I still think ESPN wants to keep us on the cheap, so they likely will continue to hold us back, but who knows. Maybe getting the ACC network into Ohio makes the numbers big enough to merit getting UC into the ACC.

Maybe ESPN's grand scheme is to kill the Big 12 (Which they have almost done) and didn't want to pay UC big money to go to a dying conference, but instead want them in the ACC so that they can get the ACC network into Ohio. I know I can barely say that with a straight face. :)

Aresco should be on the phone with BYU today. A football only membership could be appealing to them. They and the G5 may soon be snubbed by the P5 for non-conference scheduling and BYU as an independent is particularly vulnerable there. I don't think the Cougars would go back to their old conference peers so there could be a mutually beneficial arrangement hatched here. Would Air Force accept a similar arrangement to join BYU and Navy in our conference? Worth a try; nothing else is shaking at the present time.

(10-18-2016 12:47 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 11:27 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 11:23 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:01 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  The run is not over because of conference. That's ludicrous.
At our best during the Kelly era, we were the best team in the 6th best conference and had access to a major bowl.

At our best in the AAC, we could be the best team in the 6th best conference and have access to a major bowl.

Cincinnati would have made the playoffs in 2009.
Houston would have made the playoffs if they ran the table this year.

The difference is money. I get it. Money buys you the best coaches, the best facilities, and those turn into the best recruits, which turns into winning, which turns into fan support, which brings more money and the circle of life continues.

But we don't have to have more money and resources than the other five conferences. We just have to be at the top of the AAC and try our hand in a big bowl, like Houston did to FSU, like UCF did to Baylor. Like Boise State did to Arizona.

The deck IS stacked in college football. But not against us. Its stacked against the Purdues, Minnesotas, Vanderbilts, and Iowa States of the world.

There is only a small group of 10-15 teams who can actually win the national title. Everyone else is collecting a paycheck.

Meanwhile the AAC is waiting for their one big shot, and so far, they've taken advantage of them.

Who has a better chance of playing in a NY6 Bowl, Cincinnati or Kentucky?...so what does that extra 25 million really get them? A 5-7 record and a new scoreboard? Good for them.

The AAC has had great success with hiring the blue blood coordinators who are young, hungry, and WIN. Thats the winning formula in this conference. Tommy Tuberville is a bad fit for UC and a bad fit for the AAC.

Former big-tim coordinators like Herman, Rhule, Frost, Fuente, Morris, will eventually dominate this league, and likely the big teams they play in bowl games, until they land that Top 15 job.

Please take the AAC for what it is, and quit pretending that UC football was some kind of powerhouse that could dominate if they were in a big money conference.

Maybe we should try and dominate our own league first.

+1. i have bouts of naivete every now and again and maybe this is one of those moments, but if we need to be, for lack of a better term, best of the rest, then so be it. Lock down the AAC, force the issue with the P5 establishment and make them gag on their arrogance.

I agree in principle. But we're a looooong way from being the class of the eastern division let alone the entire AAC.

Undoubtedly. And now that the expansion thing is off the table we can focus on the necessary changes which can be discussed in a number of threads already up and running. Bottom line, getting snubbed by the B12 was always a possibility, if not probability. Let's hope that a plan B/C/XYZ is in place for our next steps.

For sure. I've actually been very pessimistic about our chances of getting out of this conference all along. It won't hamper my support of the program. But we need to have a plan for how this program will compete, and ultimately be the class of, the G5. Because what we're doing right now isn't getting us there.

(10-18-2016 10:01 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  The run is not over because of conference. That's ludicrous.
At our best during the Kelly era, we were the best team in the 6th best conference and had access to a major bowl.

At our best in the AAC, we could be the best team in the 6th best conference and have access to a major bowl.

Cincinnati would have made the playoffs in 2009.
Houston would have made the playoffs if they ran the table this year.

The difference is money. I get it. Money buys you the best coaches, the best facilities, and those turn into the best recruits, which turns into winning, which turns into fan support, which brings more money and the circle of life continues.

But we don't have to have more money and resources than the other five conferences. We just have to be at the top of the AAC and try our hand in a big bowl, like Houston did to FSU, like UCF did to Baylor. Like Boise State did to Arizona.

The deck IS stacked in college football. But not against us. Its stacked against the Purdues, Minnesotas, Vanderbilts, and Iowa States of the world.

There is only a small group of 10-15 teams who can actually win the national title. Everyone else is collecting a paycheck.

Meanwhile the AAC is waiting for their one big shot, and so far, they've taken advantage of them.

Who has a better chance of playing in a NY6 Bowl, Cincinnati or Kentucky?...so what does that extra 25 million really get them? A 5-7 record and a new scoreboard? Good for them.

The AAC has had great success with hiring the blue blood coordinators who are young, hungry, and WIN. Thats the winning formula in this conference. Tommy Tuberville is a bad fit for UC and a bad fit for the AAC.

Former big-tim coordinators like Herman, Rhule, Frost, Fuente, Morris, will eventually dominate this league, and likely the big teams they play in bowl games, until they land that Top 15 job.

Please take the AAC for what it is, and quit pretending that UC football was some kind of powerhouse that could dominate if they were in a big money conference.

Maybe we should try and dominate our own league first.

I'd still rather be in the Big12 but I'm not about to let that stop me from supporting UC.

Ignore Rath, he is the ultimate pessimist.