(10-18-2016 06:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Army: gets us the army/navy game as a conference game, is worth a lot
Boise: like it or not, we need them. It's a big name. Did they screw us over once? Sure, but they were doing what they thought was best at the time. They would be a HUGE addition.
Air Force: All three military academies in the AAC. Love it.

BYU: prob will stay indy but would be HUGE

We don't need any more southern teams or eastern teams outside of Army

My idea and it destroys BSU while at it

If you take CSU,BYU,Air Force, and Army......... MWC folds and BSU goes independent in which they are ineligible for the Access Bowl......that is the only option. There are no other schools in that region of the country for the MWC to reload with unless they take startups.

We have the upper hand in all this. You get ESPN to sign an extension for 6-10 million a school with us agreeing to a GOR through 2025 with approval to approach those 4 schools............. They will take the money and run. We will have back room dealed our way into a temporary power conference................ and BSU becomes independent......without a path to the access bowl.

UTSA doesn't belong in this discussion. We're still lagging in facilities (basketball and baseball especially), and C-USA is the best fit for us at this point. Our football team was invited into the WAC in just its 2nd year of existence, then into C-USA in our third year. So our football program was kinda pushed into the deep end right from the outset. We held our own own though until we ran into major QB injuries each of the last couple years. But our athletic budget doesn't compete with most other schools, and some of our facilities certainly don't.

I also think this whole discussion is kinda ridiculous though because the AAC will never be a P6. As a couple others said, they're more likely to go to a P4 if anything. Seriously, if the Big 12 isn't up for expanding by a couple or so teams, there's practically zero probability that the P5's will dilute their brand by adding a whole new conference full of G5's. That's just crazy talk, and I'm surprised some are even entertaining the thought that it could happen. I also see no way BYU would join the AAC. The ONLY way the AAC would ever have a shot at luring BYU would be if the AAC did indeed become a P6, but that's just not gonna happen. You guys are at the top of the G5 right now, and there's no shame in that.

(10-18-2016 08:07 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Army: gets us the army/navy game as a conference game, is worth a lot
Boise: like it or not, we need them. It's a big name. Did they screw us over once? Sure, but they were doing what they thought was best at the time. They would be a HUGE addition.
Air Force: All three military academies in the AAC. Love it.

BYU: prob will stay indy but would be HUGE

We don't need any more southern teams or eastern teams outside of Army

My idea and it destroys BSU while at it

If you take CSU,BYU,Air Force, and Army......... MWC folds and BSU goes independent in which they are ineligible for the Access Bowl......that is the only option. There are no other schools in that region of the country for the MWC to reload with unless they take startups.

We have the upper hand in all this. You get ESPN to sign an extension for 6-10 million a school with us agreeing to a GOR through 2025 with approval to approach those 4 schools............. They will take the money and run. We will have back room dealed our way into a temporary power conference................ and BSU becomes independent......without a path to the access bowl.

How does the MWC fold? Where does SJSU, Fresno, SD St, New Mexico, Wyoming, USU etc etc go? They just decide they all are going to quit sports?

Man you old timers sure love to live in the past. USM had moderate success in a world where they could still capitalize on recruiting Mississippi in much, much less competitive college football era. Now they not only compete for recruits with Ole Miss, Miss St, Memphis, and the entire SEC but with the internet/social media they are also competing with every team in the country for the diamond in the rough Mississippi recruits. And what can they offer? They will always be the third most funded university in a very poor state.

Meanwhile San Antonio is the 7th biggest city in the USA and the fastest growing. The San Antonio TV market went from 37 to 32 in the last year. The only sporting competition you have so far is from the Spurs. UTSA would give AAC 3 teams in Texas, very important for recruiting. San Antonio is also a nice travel partner for Houston and SMU, Tulsa and Tulane aren't too far away.

Look I'm not saying that UTSA is a good candidate for expansion, just that I think they fit the AAC model better than USM.

(10-18-2016 08:52 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  UTSA doesn't belong in this discussion. We're still lagging in facilities (basketball and baseball especially), and C-USA is the best fit for us at this point. Our football team was invited into the WAC in just its 2nd year of existence, then into C-USA in our third year. So our football program was kinda pushed into the deep end right from the outset. We held our own own though until we ran into major QB injuries each of the last couple years. But our athletic budget doesn't compete with most other schools, and some of our facilities certainly don't.

I also think this whole discussion is kinda ridiculous though because the AAC will never be a P6. As a couple others said, they're more likely to go to a P4 if anything. Seriously, if the Big 12 isn't up for expanding by a couple or so teams, there's practically zero probability that the P5's will dilute their brand by adding a whole new conference full of G5's. That's just crazy talk, and I'm surprised some are even entertaining the thought that it could happen. I also see no way BYU would join the AAC. The ONLY way the AAC would ever have a shot at luring BYU would be if the AAC did indeed become a P6, but that's just not gonna happen. You guys are at the top of the G5 right now, and there's no shame in that.

So Aresco is wrong and your right? Lol arm chair media guy.

(10-18-2016 04:37 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 07:41 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Becomes the first conference to go to 16 teams.

EAST
UConn
Temple
Cincinnati
East Carolina
UCF
South Florida
Memphis
Tulane

WEST
Navy*
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Air Force*
BYU*
Boise State*
San Diego State*

*Football Only

All Other Sports
UConn
Temple
Cincinnati
Dayton^
VCU^
East Carolina
UCF
South Florida
Memphis
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Wichita State^

All three would bring great basketball culture and attendance to the conference
^Non-Football

What is it going to take for you folks to understand that there will be NO P6, most probably will be a P4 in the 2020s, and that the SEC, ACC, B1G, Pac 12 and Big XII are not, repeat ARE NOT going to share their money and autonomy with anyone else.

You should call Aresco and tell him. I like most USM fans but your bitter and full of envy.

^^^ There won't be a P6. There will be a P4, with the B12 as the next casualty. That's where this is going.

However, adding western teams like BYU, Boise, AF, and even Army (for Army/Navy game) is making the best of our situation and creating as best a conference as we can. It could help us negotiate bowls, create a fun East vs West CCG that actually might draw some eyeballs, and may help with per team payout. If we could get even to $5/8mil a year per team we can stay competetive and enjoy sports. We are going to get left in the dust by the P4 because $5mil/year vs $45mil/year over time will create a massive gap.

I'm saying our focus needs to shift to survival mode. Forget P6, it isn't happening. Need to say, "what can we do to create the best conference that is within our power, get better bowls, and $5-$8mil/team/year. I believe that path lies down the road of adding western teams that have some cache (relatively speaking)...BYU, Boise, AF.

Heck I'd be for adding olympic sports at this point....VCU/Wichita St maybe.

We need to do whatever we can to survive.


We also need to look at Netflix/Hulu, etc. and get creative. If we can tell ESPN to p-off and have a viable option that would be an added bonus. They are 'using' the AAC and it makes me mad. WE are drastically undervalued and the winner is ESPN. You can say we win with exposure, and maybe that was nice out of the gate for a new conference, but long term, it isn't paying the bills.

(10-18-2016 10:13 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 08:07 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Army: gets us the army/navy game as a conference game, is worth a lot
Boise: like it or not, we need them. It's a big name. Did they screw us over once? Sure, but they were doing what they thought was best at the time. They would be a HUGE addition.
Air Force: All three military academies in the AAC. Love it.

BYU: prob will stay indy but would be HUGE

We don't need any more southern teams or eastern teams outside of Army

My idea and it destroys BSU while at it

If you take CSU,BYU,Air Force, and Army......... MWC folds and BSU goes independent in which they are ineligible for the Access Bowl......that is the only option. There are no other schools in that region of the country for the MWC to reload with unless they take startups.

We have the upper hand in all this. You get ESPN to sign an extension for 6-10 million a school with us agreeing to a GOR through 2025 with approval to approach those 4 schools............. They will take the money and run. We will have back room dealed our way into a temporary power conference................ and BSU becomes independent......without a path to the access bowl.

How does the MWC fold? Where does SJSU, Fresno, SD St, New Mexico, Wyoming, USU etc etc go? They just decide they all are going to quit sports?

Well, staying at that number of teams is not viable. They either fold or have to take on startups, which I don't even know if west coast fcs teams are even interested in moving to fbs. West coast is a different animal than the east coast. There is no cusa or sunbelt to pick up from on the west coast. Maybe utep, but that's it, and I'm not sure they move to a neutered mwc.

(10-19-2016 04:40 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  ^^^ There won't be a P6. There will be a P4, with the B12 as the next casualty. That's where this is going.

However, adding western teams like BYU, Boise, AF, and even Army (for Army/Navy game) is making the best of our situation and creating as best a conference as we can. It could help us negotiate bowls, create a fun East vs West CCG that actually might draw some eyeballs, and may help with per team payout. If we could get even to $5/8mil a year per team we can stay competetive and enjoy sports. We are going to get left in the dust by the P4 because $5mil/year vs $45mil/year over time will create a massive gap.

I'm saying our focus needs to shift to survival mode. Forget P6, it isn't happening. Need to say, "what can we do to create the best conference that is within our power, get better bowls, and $5-$8mil/team/year. I believe that path lies down the road of adding western teams that have some cache (relatively speaking)...BYU, Boise, AF.

Heck I'd be for adding olympic sports at this point....VCU/Wichita St maybe.

We need to do whatever we can to survive.


We also need to look at Netflix/Hulu, etc. and get creative. If we can tell ESPN to p-off and have a viable option that would be an added bonus. They are 'using' the AAC and it makes me mad. WE are drastically undervalued and the winner is ESPN. You can say we win with exposure, and maybe that was nice out of the gate for a new conference, but long term, it isn't paying the bills.

Strategically swithing to survivor mode is never good for an organization unless you absolutely know that you can not weather an on coming storm without doing so.

You have to over shoot as undershooting gets you reduced expectations. This is a league full of overacheivers that deserve a strategy that fits the ethos of our schools. IF ECU and others here had gone to survivor mode the last decade we would still be in CUSA.

Creating a narrative about the P6 is smart. This league has to define iteself or we risk others doing it for us. Good leadership sets a goal and works toward that goal. Aresco is right on target and we should push for equal status with the P5 in every public forum we can.

I revised the plan to 14 schools to leave for the the Big XII leftovers or Army and Air Force.

First calls should be to Boise State, BYU, and Gonzaga for all sports membership.

East: UConn, Temple, ECU, Navy, Cincinnati, UCF, USF (basketball Memphis)
West: BYU, Boise State, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane. (basketball Gonzaga)

In basketball Memphis shifts east and is replaced in the west with Gonzaga. Football plays 6 division games, 2 rotating cross-division games, and 1 annual cross-division rivalry-made for TV. 20 conferences games for basketball, everyone plays home and home in the division and then everyone else in the other division once except for 1 annual home and home made for TV style game. Conference becomes a lock for the New years Six bowl game and is 5 to 8 bid league in basketball every season.

This conference setup probably earns around $6 million to 9 million per year in TV revenue but also banks good bowl money and NCAA tournament credits as well. It provides TV with a really good league that has the best brand outside of the power five and large markets and fan bases.

(10-19-2016 06:45 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 04:40 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  ^^^ There won't be a P6. There will be a P4, with the B12 as the next casualty. That's where this is going.

However, adding western teams like BYU, Boise, AF, and even Army (for Army/Navy game) is making the best of our situation and creating as best a conference as we can. It could help us negotiate bowls, create a fun East vs West CCG that actually might draw some eyeballs, and may help with per team payout. If we could get even to $5/8mil a year per team we can stay competetive and enjoy sports. We are going to get left in the dust by the P4 because $5mil/year vs $45mil/year over time will create a massive gap.

I'm saying our focus needs to shift to survival mode. Forget P6, it isn't happening. Need to say, "what can we do to create the best conference that is within our power, get better bowls, and $5-$8mil/team/year. I believe that path lies down the road of adding western teams that have some cache (relatively speaking)...BYU, Boise, AF.

Heck I'd be for adding olympic sports at this point....VCU/Wichita St maybe.

We need to do whatever we can to survive.


We also need to look at Netflix/Hulu, etc. and get creative. If we can tell ESPN to p-off and have a viable option that would be an added bonus. They are 'using' the AAC and it makes me mad. WE are drastically undervalued and the winner is ESPN. You can say we win with exposure, and maybe that was nice out of the gate for a new conference, but long term, it isn't paying the bills.

Strategically swithing to survivor mode is never good for an organization unless you absolutely know that you can not weather an on coming storm without doing so.

You have to over shoot as undershooting gets you reduced expectations. This is a league full of overacheivers that deserve a strategy that fits the ethos of our schools. IF ECU and others here had gone to survivor mode the last decade we would still be in CUSA.

Creating a narrative about the P6 is smart. This league has to define iteself or we risk others doing it for us. Good leadership sets a goal and works toward that goal. Aresco is right on target and we should push for equal status with the P5 in every public forum we can.

dude forget titles...we are talking survival. The p5 schools are going to make 25-45mil per year. We are getting 2mil. Over ten years thats a huge gap its over at that point. We become the new FCS.


you cant deposit a title

We need to get a pay increase to ar least 5-8mil per team. This will allow us to have decent programs.

(10-19-2016 03:23 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 04:37 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 07:41 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Becomes the first conference to go to 16 teams.

EAST
UConn
Temple
Cincinnati
East Carolina
UCF
South Florida
Memphis
Tulane

WEST
Navy*
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Air Force*
BYU*
Boise State*
San Diego State*

*Football Only

All Other Sports
UConn
Temple
Cincinnati
Dayton^
VCU^
East Carolina
UCF
South Florida
Memphis
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Wichita State^

All three would bring great basketball culture and attendance to the conference
^Non-Football

What is it going to take for you folks to understand that there will be NO P6, most probably will be a P4 in the 2020s, and that the SEC, ACC, B1G, Pac 12 and Big XII are not, repeat ARE NOT going to share their money and autonomy with anyone else.

You should call Aresco and tell him. I like most USM fans but your bitter and full of envy.

Not bitter and not full of envy. Just understand the reality of College Sports as they exist today. The autonomy issue was settled when the SEC and the B1G decided that they wanted it. ESPN, FOX, ABC, CBS and NBC don't care what anyone else thinks. They want the glamour games. Today's public wants the immediate BIG EVENT. Ohio State v. Wisconsin, Alabama v. Tennessee, Ole Miss v Arkansas, USC v ND etc... that they all then feel a part of. Sorry but no two G5 teams moves that needle like those.

As to telling your commissioner, I am sure he already knows. But you really don't think that he is going to give an interview where he says "Well, it was a good run but we are toast" do you?

Hey, 4 all u AAC P5 "Dreamer's"
U might want 2 read this article 1st
Iowa St AD lays out a dreary future for us G5 "Hopeful's"

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-oklahoma/

(10-19-2016 09:51 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  Hey, 4 all u AAC P5 "Dreamer's"
U might want 2 read this article 1st
Iowa St AD lays out a dreary future for us G5 "Hopeful's"

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-oklahoma/

That guy is an idiot.

By saying the Big 12 without OU/UT is the MWC, he just set the new Big 12 narrative post-"Psychologically Disadvantaged".

If I was a Big 12 fan, I'd be pissed. If I was an MWC fan, I'd be pissed (he essentially stigmatized them too). I'm glad he kept the AAC out of his mouth in that statement. Goob. The "MWC" is essentially the code now for second rate, rural, conference.

(10-19-2016 06:35 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:13 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 08:07 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Army: gets us the army/navy game as a conference game, is worth a lot
Boise: like it or not, we need them. It's a big name. Did they screw us over once? Sure, but they were doing what they thought was best at the time. They would be a HUGE addition.
Air Force: All three military academies in the AAC. Love it.

BYU: prob will stay indy but would be HUGE

We don't need any more southern teams or eastern teams outside of Army

My idea and it destroys BSU while at it

If you take CSU,BYU,Air Force, and Army......... MWC folds and BSU goes independent in which they are ineligible for the Access Bowl......that is the only option. There are no other schools in that region of the country for the MWC to reload with unless they take startups.

We have the upper hand in all this. You get ESPN to sign an extension for 6-10 million a school with us agreeing to a GOR through 2025 with approval to approach those 4 schools............. They will take the money and run. We will have back room dealed our way into a temporary power conference................ and BSU becomes independent......without a path to the access bowl.

How does the MWC fold? Where does SJSU, Fresno, SD St, New Mexico, Wyoming, USU etc etc go? They just decide they all are going to quit sports?

Well, staying at that number of teams is not viable. They either fold or have to take on startups, which I don't even know if west coast fcs teams are even interested in moving to fbs. West coast is a different animal than the east coast. There is no cusa or sunbelt to pick up from on the west coast. Maybe utep, but that's it, and I'm not sure they move to a neutered mwc.

They have 12 members now, losing CSU and AFA would put them at 10 which is a sustainable number.

If they want to get back to 12 they could take in the the WAC rejects Idaho State and New Mexico State. UTEP might be interested too.

(10-18-2016 05:56 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  There will be a P4 before there is a P6....

Yep. And there will NOT be leftovers. They will simply cram all the existing schools into 4 conferences before, or soon after, they break away.

That was likely the last train out. And the American will never become P anything, b/c you have to have a network willing to pay the big bucks.

If we have Army, Navy, Air Force, BYU, and Boise State in our confer new it would be very hard for the P5 to separate without us. Plus they need a conference for scheduling nonconference games.

(10-19-2016 10:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:56 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  There will be a P4 before there is a P6....

Yep. And there will NOT be leftovers. They will simply cram all the existing schools into 4 conferences before, or soon after, they break away.

That was likely the last train out. And the American will never become P anything, b/c you have to have a network willing to pay the big bucks.

Never say never. The old big east was in the BCS. The AAC isn't that different. If Aresco plays his cards right and our leaders put political pressure for inclusion it could happen.

Political pressure is the only way it ever happens. Until then we have to beat the P6 drum constantly and get a much better media deal which I think Aresco will get. Get a contract bowl for our champion as well

(10-19-2016 09:59 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 09:51 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  Hey, 4 all u AAC P5 "Dreamer's"
U might want 2 read this article 1st
Iowa St AD lays out a dreary future for us G5 "Hopeful's"

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-oklahoma/

That guy is an idiot.

By saying the Big 12 without OU/UT is the MWC, he just set the new Big 12 narrative post-"Psychologically Disadvantaged".

If I was a Big 12 fan, I'd be pissed. If I was an MWC fan, I'd be pissed (he essentially stigmatized them too). I'm glad he kept the AAC out of his mouth in that statement. Goob. The "MWC" is essentially the code now for second rate, rural, conference.

Considering Warren Nolan already has the AAC ahead of the B12 in their NPI rankings, he really couldnt have said "AAC" and be taken seriously.

(10-19-2016 10:05 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 06:35 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:13 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 08:07 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Army: gets us the army/navy game as a conference game, is worth a lot
Boise: like it or not, we need them. It's a big name. Did they screw us over once? Sure, but they were doing what they thought was best at the time. They would be a HUGE addition.
Air Force: All three military academies in the AAC. Love it.

BYU: prob will stay indy but would be HUGE

We don't need any more southern teams or eastern teams outside of Army

My idea and it destroys BSU while at it

If you take CSU,BYU,Air Force, and Army......... MWC folds and BSU goes independent in which they are ineligible for the Access Bowl......that is the only option. There are no other schools in that region of the country for the MWC to reload with unless they take startups.

We have the upper hand in all this. You get ESPN to sign an extension for 6-10 million a school with us agreeing to a GOR through 2025 with approval to approach those 4 schools............. They will take the money and run. We will have back room dealed our way into a temporary power conference................ and BSU becomes independent......without a path to the access bowl.

How does the MWC fold? Where does SJSU, Fresno, SD St, New Mexico, Wyoming, USU etc etc go? They just decide they all are going to quit sports?

Well, staying at that number of teams is not viable. They either fold or have to take on startups, which I don't even know if west coast fcs teams are even interested in moving to fbs. West coast is a different animal than the east coast. There is no cusa or sunbelt to pick up from on the west coast. Maybe utep, but that's it, and I'm not sure they move to a neutered mwc.

They have 12 members now, losing CSU and AFA would put them at 10 which is a sustainable number.

If they want to get back to 12 they could take in the the WAC rejects Idaho State and New Mexico State. UTEP might be interested too.

good point, i had a complete brain fart when i included BYU and Army as deductions from the conference.