Add UAB

(10-18-2016 09:14 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 07:28 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:34 AM)J Coog Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:03 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

Actually, this is wrong. There is no reason he cannot be proactive, even if just for preliminary negotiations. Even if there is no "look-in", he can negotiate the next contract so that members can budget and plan. We all know that the effort to operate between current P5 and G4 teams is not sustainable at the current revenue levels.

Right now he can only talk with ESPN. I expect he only has a shot at 7mil plus if he goes to open market. That can not happen until current deal is finished.

I could see him working with ESPN on a deal where the contract is extended until lets say 2025 with the money increasing per year.
Example
2018- 3.0 million up from 2.0 in current contract
2019- 4.0 miliion up from current 2.0
2020- 4.5 million up from 2.0 in current contract
2021- 5.0 million extended contract
2022- 5.5 million
2023- 6.0 million
2024- 6.5 million
2025- 7.0 million

No doubt he can talk, but only can negotiate if ESPN wants to. He has to have a willing partner on the other side. I have no idea whether he does or does not.

(10-18-2016 07:30 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 10:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:15 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Exactly, if he's worth what the AAC has been paying him he's gonna show it soon. The league has out performed any reasonable expectations and has been/will be stable. There are no excuses for him to not be able to greatly increase the TV value. If that doesn't happen quite frankly he needs to hit the road.

Thinking out loud here.

If Mike Aresco fails to convince tv networks for a respectable $$$ bump than the expansion thang may not be over just yet.

define respectable, The AAC even if he pulled off quadrupling the deal wont keep any members here.

We really can't view this league's current network deal as a legit over the counter purchase... I think we can blame our enemy instability for why the purchaser made the bit it did.

But now that this (AAC) product has strengthen its backbone significantly = ratings, 8mil - 12mil is a respectable number this league should be paid.

Good luck with that, the problem is there is no incentive to pay you guys that much money. Now, I think if you guys could put on a better basketball product like adding three good basketball programs (Wichita, VCU, Dayton). Then you could argue that your worth at least as much as the Big East. There is not anything wrong with AAC basketball now, but it is very top heavy.

Football, it is what it is for you guys. BYU is not coming and no one from the MWC is coming unless you sell Boise State.

And who are you again?

(10-19-2016 09:22 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 07:30 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Football, it is what it is for you guys. BYU is not coming and no one from the MWC is coming unless you sell Boise State.

And who are you again?

condom salesman..

(10-19-2016 08:06 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 09:14 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 07:28 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:34 AM)J Coog Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:03 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

Actually, this is wrong. There is no reason he cannot be proactive, even if just for preliminary negotiations. Even if there is no "look-in", he can negotiate the next contract so that members can budget and plan. We all know that the effort to operate between current P5 and G4 teams is not sustainable at the current revenue levels.

Right now he can only talk with ESPN. I expect he only has a shot at 7mil plus if he goes to open market. That can not happen until current deal is finished.

I could see him working with ESPN on a deal where the contract is extended until lets say 2025 with the money increasing per year.
Example
2018- 3.0 million up from 2.0 in current contract
2019- 4.0 miliion up from current 2.0
2020- 4.5 million up from 2.0 in current contract
2021- 5.0 million extended contract
2022- 5.5 million
2023- 6.0 million
2024- 6.5 million
2025- 7.0 million

No doubt he can talk, but only can negotiate if ESPN wants to. He has to have a willing partner on the other side. I have no idea whether he does or does not.

True and we will find out in next couple of year whether ESPN wants to deal or leave it out to market. That's why is key GOR AAC to keep winning on field.

(10-19-2016 09:22 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 07:30 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 10:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:15 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Thinking out loud here.

If Mike Aresco fails to convince tv networks for a respectable $$$ bump than the expansion thang may not be over just yet.

define respectable, The AAC even if he pulled off quadrupling the deal wont keep any members here.

We really can't view this league's current network deal as a legit over the counter purchase... I think we can blame our enemy instability for why the purchaser made the bit it did.

But now that this (AAC) product has strengthen its backbone significantly = ratings, 8mil - 12mil is a respectable number this league should be paid.

Good luck with that, the problem is there is no incentive to pay you guys that much money. Now, I think if you guys could put on a better basketball product like adding three good basketball programs (Wichita, VCU, Dayton). Then you could argue that your worth at least as much as the Big East. There is not anything wrong with AAC basketball now, but it is very top heavy.

Football, it is what it is for you guys. BYU is not coming and no one from the MWC is coming unless you sell Boise State.

And who are you again?

A guy who did the homework...

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(10-19-2016 05:34 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 08:06 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 09:14 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 07:28 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:34 AM)J Coog Wrote:  Actually, this is wrong. There is no reason he cannot be proactive, even if just for preliminary negotiations. Even if there is no "look-in", he can negotiate the next contract so that members can budget and plan. We all know that the effort to operate between current P5 and G4 teams is not sustainable at the current revenue levels.

Right now he can only talk with ESPN. I expect he only has a shot at 7mil plus if he goes to open market. That can not happen until current deal is finished.

I could see him working with ESPN on a deal where the contract is extended until lets say 2025 with the money increasing per year.
Example
2018- 3.0 million up from 2.0 in current contract
2019- 4.0 miliion up from current 2.0
2020- 4.5 million up from 2.0 in current contract
2021- 5.0 million extended contract
2022- 5.5 million
2023- 6.0 million
2024- 6.5 million
2025- 7.0 million

No doubt he can talk, but only can negotiate if ESPN wants to. He has to have a willing partner on the other side. I have no idea whether he does or does not.

True and we will find out in next couple of year whether ESPN wants to deal or leave it out to market. That's why is key GOR AAC to keep winning on field.

I don't think we'll ever have a GOR. Just because the Big 12 decided not to expand the other day doesn't mean any of us is resigned to remaining in a G5 league.

(10-19-2016 07:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 05:34 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 08:06 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 09:14 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 07:28 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Right now he can only talk with ESPN. I expect he only has a shot at 7mil plus if he goes to open market. That can not happen until current deal is finished.

I could see him working with ESPN on a deal where the contract is extended until lets say 2025 with the money increasing per year.
Example
2018- 3.0 million up from 2.0 in current contract
2019- 4.0 miliion up from current 2.0
2020- 4.5 million up from 2.0 in current contract
2021- 5.0 million extended contract
2022- 5.5 million
2023- 6.0 million
2024- 6.5 million
2025- 7.0 million

No doubt he can talk, but only can negotiate if ESPN wants to. He has to have a willing partner on the other side. I have no idea whether he does or does not.

True and we will find out in next couple of year whether ESPN wants to deal or leave it out to market. That's why is key GOR AAC to keep winning on field.

I don't think we'll ever have a GOR. Just because the Big 12 decided not to expand the other day doesn't mean any of us is resigned to remaining in a G5 league.

Us?

You're on the other board saying the Big 12 shouldn't add USF et al.

Add UAB! What are you smoking? They were prepared to drop football recently. No national following or high academic status. We want no teams from Sunbelt or CUSA except maybe Rice if Houston agrees.

(10-20-2016 05:23 AM)Savacool Wrote:  Add UAB! What are you smoking? They were prepared to drop football recently. No national following or high academic status. We want no teams from Sunbelt or CUSA except maybe Rice if Houston agrees.

Man what you don't know could fill libraries. UAB is Tier One in USNWR and Carnegie. They are also building a new football building as we speak. They also when they come back next year will likely be better at football than Tulane. So there is that.

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I don't think he is truly on the clock for another 2 years.

(10-20-2016 05:23 AM)Savacool Wrote:  Except maybe Rice if Houston agrees.

Trending way down with no fan support in a duplicate market. Remind me the appeal? Yes, it's a great university to attend. But that is not the same as a being a great university to have in our conference.

(10-20-2016 08:36 AM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 05:23 AM)Savacool Wrote:  Except maybe Rice if Houston agrees.

Trending way down with no fan support in a duplicate market. Remind me the appeal? Yes, it's a great university to attend. But that is not the same as a being a great university to have in our conference.

Adding Rice would be similar to adding Villanova... but without the good basketball team. Duplicate markets. Football projects

(10-20-2016 06:54 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 05:23 AM)Savacool Wrote:  Add UAB! What are you smoking? They were prepared to drop football recently. No national following or high academic status. We want no teams from Sunbelt or CUSA except maybe Rice if Houston agrees.

Man what you don't know could fill libraries. UAB is Tier One in USNWR and Carnegie. They are also building a new football building as we speak. They also when they come back next year will likely be better at football than Tulane. So there is that.

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I remember when UCF used to play at UAB. That place was like a crypt. Dead quiet, literally just a few hundred fans. Really pathetic and an awful experience for any football team to experience.

We need to wait it out closer to the contract expiration if we want a big $$$ difference. That is also assuming someone else wants to pay up for our content. Fox pays the Big East $4 million each for just hoops. That should be the floor before we start discussions. We need to be at least at $6 million for tweener status including a better bowl lineup.

the only way we get more money is when Memphis an temple start playing up to their expectations and we add witchita all sports

(10-20-2016 01:15 PM)UConn to the Beast Wrote:  the only way we get more money is when Memphis an temple start playing up to their expectations and we add witchita all sports

Memphis isn't playing up to expectations? We are 5-1

David Borges
‏@DaveBorges
Mike Aresco: Expansion is not on the table right now for AAC.
9:10 AM - 24 Oct 2016

Paul Doyle ‏@PaulDoyle1 15m15 minutes ago
Could @American_Conf expand? Commissioner Mike Aresco says it's not on the front burner. "We're happy with 12. Got to really hunker down."

(10-24-2016 08:26 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  David Borges
‏@DaveBorges
Mike Aresco: Expansion is not on the table right now for AAC.


9:10 AM - 24 Oct 2016

With the talk during the expansion hoopla of staying at 10, I think 12 must feel like a robust number.
I think the focus now is on developing internally at places like ECU and USF.
IMO, expansion (if it happens) will be negotiated with the networks as part of the next deal.. with a pro rata clause or some combination that the networks may think mutually beneficial.

(10-24-2016 08:26 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  David Borges
‏@DaveBorges
Mike Aresco: Expansion is not on the table right now for AAC.


9:10 AM - 24 Oct 2016

ESPN pays less for separate AAC and MWC conference contracts than it would pay to the AAC alone if you took the best of the MWC and merged it into the AAC. Divide and conquer.

And, without more money, it would be futile to try and shore up basketball by adding WSU and VCU. Expansion WOULD BE the surest way to shore up basketball. I'm not confident that it will happen organically.