(10-17-2016 06:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:39 PM)HuskieRak Wrote:  Hazell should've been fired last year. Wasted year for Purdue. Hopefully won't happen to us

I don't think a school like Purdue can compete in the Big 10, I don't think its Hazell's fault, he just took the wrong job

They can be competitive - not elite - but it's going to take someone who brings offensive uniqueness to the Big Ten.

(10-17-2016 12:49 PM)Suptroop Wrote:  That's a tough break. I think he's a good coach. I kind of think it takes more than four years to turn a trash big ten team into a success. More like a decade effort.

He had zero success at Purdue and it was time for them to move on. The program was not getting better or showing any improvement.

(10-17-2016 07:41 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 12:49 PM)Suptroop Wrote:  That's a tough break. I think he's a good coach. I kind of think it takes more than four years to turn a trash big ten team into a success. More like a decade effort.

He had zero success at Purdue and it was time for them to move on. The program was not getting better or showing any improvement.

I just don't think a coach in the country could have led to Purdue success. Really a no win situation

(10-17-2016 06:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:39 PM)HuskieRak Wrote:  Hazell should've been fired last year. Wasted year for Purdue. Hopefully won't happen to us

I don't think a school like Purdue can compete in the Big 10, I don't think its Hazell's fault, he just took the wrong job

If EMU can become competitive in the MAC, Purdue can become competitive in the BIG ten,leven,twelve or whatever they are these days.

(10-17-2016 07:45 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:39 PM)HuskieRak Wrote:  Hazell should've been fired last year. Wasted year for Purdue. Hopefully won't happen to us

I don't think a school like Purdue can compete in the Big 10, I don't think its Hazell's fault, he just took the wrong job

If EMU can become competitive in the MAC, Purdue can become competitive in the BIG ten,leven,twelve or whatever they are these days.

Maybe you are right, I just think they are at such a competitive disadvantage that it would take an act of God to make them good

(10-17-2016 07:47 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Maybe you are right, I just think they are at such a competitive disadvantage that it would take an act of God to make them good

He inherited a program that had gone 13-13 (7-9 in the B1G) with 2 bowl games in the previous 2 seasons. They beat Ohio State both of those years. That's not great, obviously, but it's competitive...and he then backed that up with 9 wins in 3.5 years.

The last time prior to Hazell that Purdue won less than 4 games in a season was 1996. He then proceeded to never win more than 3 games in any season he had at Purdue.

It obviously wasn't the right fit for him or the right hire for Purdue, but he made Purdue significantly worse while he was there.

(10-17-2016 08:26 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 07:47 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Maybe you are right, I just think they are at such a competitive disadvantage that it would take an act of God to make them good

He inherited a program that had gone 13-13 (7-9 in the B1G) with 2 bowl games in the previous 2 seasons. They beat Ohio State both of those years. That's not great, obviously, but it's competitive...and he then backed that up with 9 wins in 3.5 years.

The last time prior to Hazell that Purdue won less than 4 games in a season was 1996. He then proceeded to never win more than 3 games in any season he had at Purdue.

It obviously wasn't the right fit for him or the right hire for Purdue, but he made Purdue significantly worse while he was there.

I guess but I think the bigger point is Purdue has not been successful because they have no chance in the Big 10 to be competitive, its not because of a coach. He was placed in a no-win situation.

(10-17-2016 09:18 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 08:26 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 07:47 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Maybe you are right, I just think they are at such a competitive disadvantage that it would take an act of God to make them good

He inherited a program that had gone 13-13 (7-9 in the B1G) with 2 bowl games in the previous 2 seasons. They beat Ohio State both of those years. That's not great, obviously, but it's competitive...and he then backed that up with 9 wins in 3.5 years.

The last time prior to Hazell that Purdue won less than 4 games in a season was 1996. He then proceeded to never win more than 3 games in any season he had at Purdue.

It obviously wasn't the right fit for him or the right hire for Purdue, but he made Purdue significantly worse while he was there.

I guess but I think the bigger point is Purdue has not been successful because they have no chance in the Big 10 to be competitive, its not because of a coach. He was placed in a no-win situation.

You do realize they were in the Rose Bowl 15 years ago. It is not an easy place to win but it can be done.

PJ is NOT going to Purdue. You can win anywhere for couple of years, it's just very difficult to sustain.

(10-17-2016 09:29 PM)Doggone Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:18 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 08:26 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 07:47 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Maybe you are right, I just think they are at such a competitive disadvantage that it would take an act of God to make them good

He inherited a program that had gone 13-13 (7-9 in the B1G) with 2 bowl games in the previous 2 seasons. They beat Ohio State both of those years. That's not great, obviously, but it's competitive...and he then backed that up with 9 wins in 3.5 years.

The last time prior to Hazell that Purdue won less than 4 games in a season was 1996. He then proceeded to never win more than 3 games in any season he had at Purdue.

It obviously wasn't the right fit for him or the right hire for Purdue, but he made Purdue significantly worse while he was there.

I guess but I think the bigger point is Purdue has not been successful because they have no chance in the Big 10 to be competitive, its not because of a coach. He was placed in a no-win situation.

You do realize they were in the Rose Bowl 15 years ago. It is not an easy place to win but it can be done.

The haves and have nots is just too big now. I will be dead and gone when the winner of the Big 10 is not Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, or Nebraska.

(10-17-2016 09:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The haves and have nots is just too big now. I will be dead and gone when the winner of the Big 10 is not Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, or Nebraska.

Even if I grant you that (you forgot Wisconsin anyway,), there's a difference between winning a Big Ten title and being competitive. Purdue wasn't even competitive.

(10-17-2016 09:18 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 08:26 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 07:47 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Maybe you are right, I just think they are at such a competitive disadvantage that it would take an act of God to make them good

He inherited a program that had gone 13-13 (7-9 in the B1G) with 2 bowl games in the previous 2 seasons. They beat Ohio State both of those years. That's not great, obviously, but it's competitive...and he then backed that up with 9 wins in 3.5 years.

The last time prior to Hazell that Purdue won less than 4 games in a season was 1996. He then proceeded to never win more than 3 games in any season he had at Purdue.

It obviously wasn't the right fit for him or the right hire for Purdue, but he made Purdue significantly worse while he was there.

I guess but I think the bigger point is Purdue has not been successful because they have no chance in the Big 10 to be competitive, its not because of a coach. He was placed in a no-win situation.

Northwestern football has gotten competitive in the Big 10 and thay have very high academic standards. They were horrible until Randy Walker turned them around. And they were horrible for 30 years prior to that.

(10-17-2016 10:04 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:18 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 08:26 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 07:47 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Maybe you are right, I just think they are at such a competitive disadvantage that it would take an act of God to make them good

He inherited a program that had gone 13-13 (7-9 in the B1G) with 2 bowl games in the previous 2 seasons. They beat Ohio State both of those years. That's not great, obviously, but it's competitive...and he then backed that up with 9 wins in 3.5 years.

The last time prior to Hazell that Purdue won less than 4 games in a season was 1996. He then proceeded to never win more than 3 games in any season he had at Purdue.

It obviously wasn't the right fit for him or the right hire for Purdue, but he made Purdue significantly worse while he was there.

I guess but I think the bigger point is Purdue has not been successful because they have no chance in the Big 10 to be competitive, its not because of a coach. He was placed in a no-win situation.

Northwestern football has gotten competitive in the Big 10 and thay have very high academic standards. They were horrible until Randy Walker turned them around. And they were horrible for 30 years prior to that.

Although Walker came to Evanston and did some great things, such as revolutionizing the spread offense, it was Gary Barnett that initially turned around the Northwestern program.

Everyone was saying this about Baylor and the Big 12 years ago too. They had like a 15-year bowl drought until Briles' 3rd season. One good hire, and Purdue can be a perennial Top 25 team again in a couple years

The year before winning the MAC East, Kent State came into Huskie Stadium with one of the worst offensive teams I've ever seen. The next season Dri Archer came around and suddenly KSU was good. Hazell was hired by Purdue on the basis of one good year. That's not enough. Had the Boilermaker brass seen Kent State in 2011, they wouldn't have hired him.

(10-17-2016 07:44 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 07:41 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 12:49 PM)Suptroop Wrote:  That's a tough break. I think he's a good coach. I kind of think it takes more than four years to turn a trash big ten team into a success. More like a decade effort.

He had zero success at Purdue and it was time for them to move on. The program was not getting better or showing any improvement.

I just don't think a coach in the country could have led to Purdue success. Really a no win situation

Chris Peterson, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, Urban Myer, Tom Herman, Gary Patterson and several others I'm sure can win instantly at Purdue.

I seriously doubt that Carey will be fired at the end of this year. St. Frazier extended his contract...no way will they fire him yet. We will have another year of RC. At least. NIU has no money to fire him & STF will not admit he screwed up extending the contract. Buckle up kids...gonna be a bumpy ride for another year anyway.

Might as well relax about getting rid of him.

(10-17-2016 10:03 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The haves and have nots is just too big now. I will be dead and gone when the winner of the Big 10 is not Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, or Nebraska.

Even if I grant you that (you forgot Wisconsin anyway,), there's a difference between winning a Big Ten title and being competitive. Purdue wasn't even competitive.

Nebraska??? ... When pigs fly.

(10-18-2016 07:05 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Chris Peterson, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, Urban Myer, Tom Herman, Gary Patterson and several others I'm sure can win instantly at Purdue.

SO WHAT
And what circumstances make you think any of those people can be hired by Purdue?

(10-18-2016 07:08 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  I seriously doubt that Carey will be fired at the end of this year. St. Frazier extended his contract...no way will they fire him yet. We will have another year of RC.

Might as well relax about getting rid of him.

Agreed...especially with the lack of financial resources the university is currently in. I just don't think it would be approved.