(10-23-2016 12:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  We do a circle of unity to support the unity of people in our nation. How is that considered disrespectful?

The Western Ky guys was pushing the defender out of bounds, why the heck would the defender be holding him? Then you see him shove the defender in the face, which is why the ODU players went back at him.

In your third pic you see the Western guy come in and shove another ODU player in the face (after another western guy shoves 12 in the back. You then see the 3 guys go after the dude that ran over and punched number 12 in the helmet.

You guys hit our player after the whistle on a punt return which caused him to fall into a player injuring his knee. You guys shoved Aaron Young out of bounds. Both plays were rightly called personal fouls on Western Kentucky.

I will go back and watch the DL for ODU.

Number 16 for ODU wasn't even involved in any of it. THe refs got the teams mixed up when tossing him, he was on the sidelines. Number 16 for Western Kentucky was the guy that initiated the whole melee. If there are suspensions, you are going to have 2-3 of them from guys throwing punches. I believe 12 for ODU also threw a punch.

Here's the thing...

you see the Western player pushing...I see the ODU player pulling. That's looking at it through the eyes of fans. What can't be mistaken is the fact that a sh!t load of ODU players goes after the Western player and doesn't stop till they are well onto the field.

No one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven, not eight, not nine, not ten...hell I ran out of fingers. But a sh!t load maybe 1/5 of the ODU traveling team. So push or pull....

does not matter because it should have ended right there.

It would have if 1/5 of ODU's team hadn't acted like a mob.

As for late hits...you are looking through ODU tinted fogged up glasses if you don't think ODU players hit after the whistle or stops as soon as the player goes down. Or gives a cheap shot. With most games...most of those plays goes uncalled. But they happen.

Your coach acted just like you and I'm going to quote...

"In eight years of football, we’ve never been involved in a situation like that"

"We’re one of the least penalized teams in the league"

"They (WKU) are one of the most penalized coming in, they had 13 personal fouls coming into the game"

That has ZERO to do with what happened right in from of him. If 1/5 of the ODU players dont attack the one Western kid...it stops right there

As for this "Circle of Unity" it might go over better on the road if you waited till the HOME band got off the field. Or those players not jaw with the other team on the sideline.

Also there is nothing stopping this from taken place before entering the field...

well one thing. They won't be seen. But I guess the whole point is "BEING SEEN". Look at us.

I'm just amazed Branden Leston didn't murder anyone.

(10-23-2016 01:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  As for this "Circle of Unity" it might go over better on the road if you waited till the HOME band got off the field. Or those players not jaw with the other team on the sideline.

Also there is nothing stopping this from taken place before entering the field...

well one thing. They won't be seen. But I guess the whole point is "BEING SEEN". Look at us.

The circle of unity is coordinated with the host school/coach. To the best of my knowledge, when and where it was done was exactly where WKU wanted it done.

(10-23-2016 01:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 12:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  We do a circle of unity to support the unity of people in our nation. How is that considered disrespectful?

The Western Ky guys was pushing the defender out of bounds, why the heck would the defender be holding him? Then you see him shove the defender in the face, which is why the ODU players went back at him.

In your third pic you see the Western guy come in and shove another ODU player in the face (after another western guy shoves 12 in the back. You then see the 3 guys go after the dude that ran over and punched number 12 in the helmet.

You guys hit our player after the whistle on a punt return which caused him to fall into a player injuring his knee. You guys shoved Aaron Young out of bounds. Both plays were rightly called personal fouls on Western Kentucky.

I will go back and watch the DL for ODU.

Number 16 for ODU wasn't even involved in any of it. THe refs got the teams mixed up when tossing him, he was on the sidelines. Number 16 for Western Kentucky was the guy that initiated the whole melee. If there are suspensions, you are going to have 2-3 of them from guys throwing punches. I believe 12 for ODU also threw a punch.

Here's the thing...

you see the Western player pushing...I see the ODU player pulling. That's looking at it through the eyes of fans. What can't be mistaken is the fact that a sh!t load of ODU players goes after the Western player and doesn't stop till they are well onto the field.

No one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven, not eight, not nine, not ten...hell I ran out of fingers. But a sh!t load maybe 1/5 of the ODU traveling team. So push or pull....

does not matter because it should have ended right there.

It would have if 1/5 of ODU's team hadn't acted like a mob.

As for late hits...you are looking through ODU tinted fogged up glasses if you don't think ODU players hit after the whistle or stops as soon as the player goes down. Or gives a cheap shot. With most games...most of those plays goes uncalled. But they happen.

Your coach acted just like you and I'm going to quote...

"In eight years of football, we’ve never been involved in a situation like that"

"We’re one of the least penalized teams in the league"

"They (WKU) are one of the most penalized coming in, they had 13 personal fouls coming into the game"

That has ZERO to do with what happened right in from of him. If 1/5 of the ODU players dont attack the one Western kid...it stops right there

I will take it a step further for you to where this discussion really belongs. If "the one Western kid" doesn't continue to block/push the ODU player five yards past the sideline right into the ODU bench...it stops right there.

(10-23-2016 01:34 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  As for this "Circle of Unity" it might go over better on the road if you waited till the HOME band got off the field. Or those players not jaw with the other team on the sideline.

Also there is nothing stopping this from taken place before entering the field...

well one thing. They won't be seen. But I guess the whole point is "BEING SEEN". Look at us.

The circle of unity is coordinated with the host school/coach. To the best of my knowledge, when and where it was done was exactly where WKU wanted it done.

Maybe so but if Western told the ODU team where and when....

it was stupid to have it done when Western's band was on the field playing the Western fight song and with in a few feet of the band . Bad decision on Western's part. If that was the case.

I honestly don't get it anyways...

other than as I said it's a "looks at me" because other wise the same can and in my opinion should, be done in the locker room or before the game if both teams are involved.

This could have easily been done before both teams left the field before the game. But then you don't get the TV cameras or the fans. So as I said and will repeat. To me it's a classic..."look at me"

(10-23-2016 01:38 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 12:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  We do a circle of unity to support the unity of people in our nation. How is that considered disrespectful?

The Western Ky guys was pushing the defender out of bounds, why the heck would the defender be holding him? Then you see him shove the defender in the face, which is why the ODU players went back at him.

In your third pic you see the Western guy come in and shove another ODU player in the face (after another western guy shoves 12 in the back. You then see the 3 guys go after the dude that ran over and punched number 12 in the helmet.

You guys hit our player after the whistle on a punt return which caused him to fall into a player injuring his knee. You guys shoved Aaron Young out of bounds. Both plays were rightly called personal fouls on Western Kentucky.

I will go back and watch the DL for ODU.

Number 16 for ODU wasn't even involved in any of it. THe refs got the teams mixed up when tossing him, he was on the sidelines. Number 16 for Western Kentucky was the guy that initiated the whole melee. If there are suspensions, you are going to have 2-3 of them from guys throwing punches. I believe 12 for ODU also threw a punch.

Here's the thing...

you see the Western player pushing...I see the ODU player pulling. That's looking at it through the eyes of fans. What can't be mistaken is the fact that a sh!t load of ODU players goes after the Western player and doesn't stop till they are well onto the field.

No one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven, not eight, not nine, not ten...hell I ran out of fingers. But a sh!t load maybe 1/5 of the ODU traveling team. So push or pull....

does not matter because it should have ended right there.

It would have if 1/5 of ODU's team hadn't acted like a mob.

As for late hits...you are looking through ODU tinted fogged up glasses if you don't think ODU players hit after the whistle or stops as soon as the player goes down. Or gives a cheap shot. With most games...most of those plays goes uncalled. But they happen.

Your coach acted just like you and I'm going to quote...

"In eight years of football, we’ve never been involved in a situation like that"

"We’re one of the least penalized teams in the league"

"They (WKU) are one of the most penalized coming in, they had 13 personal fouls coming into the game"

That has ZERO to do with what happened right in from of him. If 1/5 of the ODU players dont attack the one Western kid...it stops right there

I will take it a step further for you to where this discussion really belongs. If "the one Western kid" doesn't continue to block/push the ODU player five yards past the sideline right into the ODU bench...it stops right there.

A play like that happens in 50% of every game played...players pushing or pulling long after the play ends. Most of the time 4, 5 or 6 times during a game, usually on the field. But on the sidelines I bet you can pick one out in 50% of games.

Yet a mob of teammates don't attack the other player. In this case ODU acted just like a mob

(10-23-2016 01:43 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:34 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  As for this "Circle of Unity" it might go over better on the road if you waited till the HOME band got off the field. Or those players not jaw with the other team on the sideline.

Also there is nothing stopping this from taken place before entering the field...

well one thing. They won't be seen. But I guess the whole point is "BEING SEEN". Look at us.

The circle of unity is coordinated with the host school/coach. To the best of my knowledge, when and where it was done was exactly where WKU wanted it done.

Maybe so but if Western told the ODU team where and when....

it was stupid to have it done when Western's band was on the field playing the Western fight song and with in a few feet of the band . Bad decision on Western's part. If that was the case.

I honestly don't get it anyways...

other than as I said it's a "looks at me" because other wise the same can and in my opinion should, be done in the locker room or before the game if both teams are involved.

This could have easily been done before both teams left the field before the game. But then you don't get the TV cameras or the fans. So as I said and will repeat. To me it's a classic..."look at me"

Of course its "look at me." That is the intend. To spread the word unity between all people.

(10-23-2016 01:48 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:38 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 12:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  We do a circle of unity to support the unity of people in our nation. How is that considered disrespectful?

The Western Ky guys was pushing the defender out of bounds, why the heck would the defender be holding him? Then you see him shove the defender in the face, which is why the ODU players went back at him.

In your third pic you see the Western guy come in and shove another ODU player in the face (after another western guy shoves 12 in the back. You then see the 3 guys go after the dude that ran over and punched number 12 in the helmet.

You guys hit our player after the whistle on a punt return which caused him to fall into a player injuring his knee. You guys shoved Aaron Young out of bounds. Both plays were rightly called personal fouls on Western Kentucky.

I will go back and watch the DL for ODU.

Number 16 for ODU wasn't even involved in any of it. THe refs got the teams mixed up when tossing him, he was on the sidelines. Number 16 for Western Kentucky was the guy that initiated the whole melee. If there are suspensions, you are going to have 2-3 of them from guys throwing punches. I believe 12 for ODU also threw a punch.

Here's the thing...

you see the Western player pushing...I see the ODU player pulling. That's looking at it through the eyes of fans. What can't be mistaken is the fact that a sh!t load of ODU players goes after the Western player and doesn't stop till they are well onto the field.

No one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven, not eight, not nine, not ten...hell I ran out of fingers. But a sh!t load maybe 1/5 of the ODU traveling team. So push or pull....

does not matter because it should have ended right there.

It would have if 1/5 of ODU's team hadn't acted like a mob.

As for late hits...you are looking through ODU tinted fogged up glasses if you don't think ODU players hit after the whistle or stops as soon as the player goes down. Or gives a cheap shot. With most games...most of those plays goes uncalled. But they happen.

Your coach acted just like you and I'm going to quote...

"In eight years of football, we’ve never been involved in a situation like that"

"We’re one of the least penalized teams in the league"

"They (WKU) are one of the most penalized coming in, they had 13 personal fouls coming into the game"

That has ZERO to do with what happened right in from of him. If 1/5 of the ODU players dont attack the one Western kid...it stops right there

I will take it a step further for you to where this discussion really belongs. If "the one Western kid" doesn't continue to block/push the ODU player five yards past the sideline right into the ODU bench...it stops right there.

A play like that happens in 50% of every game played...players pushing or pulling long after the play ends. Most of the time 4, 5 or 6 times during a game, usually on the field. But on the sidelines I bet you can pick one out in 50% of games.

Yet a mob of teammates don't attack the other player. In this case ODU acted just like a mob

Do you expect them to stand back when a player gets punched in the face?

(10-23-2016 01:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:43 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:34 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  As for this "Circle of Unity" it might go over better on the road if you waited till the HOME band got off the field. Or those players not jaw with the other team on the sideline.

Also there is nothing stopping this from taken place before entering the field...

well one thing. They won't be seen. But I guess the whole point is "BEING SEEN". Look at us.

The circle of unity is coordinated with the host school/coach. To the best of my knowledge, when and where it was done was exactly where WKU wanted it done.

Maybe so but if Western told the ODU team where and when....

it was stupid to have it done when Western's band was on the field playing the Western fight song and with in a few feet of the band . Bad decision on Western's part. If that was the case.

I honestly don't get it anyways...

other than as I said it's a "looks at me" because other wise the same can and in my opinion should, be done in the locker room or before the game if both teams are involved.

This could have easily been done before both teams left the field before the game. But then you don't get the TV cameras or the fans. So as I said and will repeat. To me it's a classic..."look at me"

Of course its "look at me." That is the intend. To spread the word unity between all people.

Then maybe the ODU coach should do away with this...

it's clear they don't walk the talk.

At least not a few feet inside the ODU sideline. That was a US vs THEM

If the ACT of unity is only for the cameras then it's only a act. I'm sorry but these players don't do or feel this after or before the game. And as we seen last night sometimes not even in the game.

Before you say it..no I don't know how any player feels or acts other than what I see with my eyes for those 3+ hours. But common sense and from being around teams all my life....

I can say it's only a ACT for most

(10-23-2016 01:55 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:48 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:38 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 12:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  We do a circle of unity to support the unity of people in our nation. How is that considered disrespectful?

The Western Ky guys was pushing the defender out of bounds, why the heck would the defender be holding him? Then you see him shove the defender in the face, which is why the ODU players went back at him.

In your third pic you see the Western guy come in and shove another ODU player in the face (after another western guy shoves 12 in the back. You then see the 3 guys go after the dude that ran over and punched number 12 in the helmet.

You guys hit our player after the whistle on a punt return which caused him to fall into a player injuring his knee. You guys shoved Aaron Young out of bounds. Both plays were rightly called personal fouls on Western Kentucky.

I will go back and watch the DL for ODU.

Number 16 for ODU wasn't even involved in any of it. THe refs got the teams mixed up when tossing him, he was on the sidelines. Number 16 for Western Kentucky was the guy that initiated the whole melee. If there are suspensions, you are going to have 2-3 of them from guys throwing punches. I believe 12 for ODU also threw a punch.

Here's the thing...

you see the Western player pushing...I see the ODU player pulling. That's looking at it through the eyes of fans. What can't be mistaken is the fact that a sh!t load of ODU players goes after the Western player and doesn't stop till they are well onto the field.

No one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven, not eight, not nine, not ten...hell I ran out of fingers. But a sh!t load maybe 1/5 of the ODU traveling team. So push or pull....

does not matter because it should have ended right there.

It would have if 1/5 of ODU's team hadn't acted like a mob.

As for late hits...you are looking through ODU tinted fogged up glasses if you don't think ODU players hit after the whistle or stops as soon as the player goes down. Or gives a cheap shot. With most games...most of those plays goes uncalled. But they happen.

Your coach acted just like you and I'm going to quote...

"In eight years of football, we’ve never been involved in a situation like that"

"We’re one of the least penalized teams in the league"

"They (WKU) are one of the most penalized coming in, they had 13 personal fouls coming into the game"

That has ZERO to do with what happened right in from of him. If 1/5 of the ODU players dont attack the one Western kid...it stops right there

I will take it a step further for you to where this discussion really belongs. If "the one Western kid" doesn't continue to block/push the ODU player five yards past the sideline right into the ODU bench...it stops right there.

A play like that happens in 50% of every game played...players pushing or pulling long after the play ends. Most of the time 4, 5 or 6 times during a game, usually on the field. But on the sidelines I bet you can pick one out in 50% of games.

Yet a mob of teammates don't attack the other player. In this case ODU acted just like a mob

Do you expect them to stand back when a player gets punched in the face?

gotta interrupt for a minute.....when the punch flew and his helmet came off, it became a mele....unlike hockey, there are too many players for the refs to be able to engage effectively....

if I was the ruling body, I impose some type of financial/recruiting sanction on both schools and tell 'em it'll be worse the next time if that shite happens again within a 5 yr period....

but that's just my take on the situation....

you guys can go back to skull draggery now....

(10-23-2016 01:55 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:48 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:38 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 12:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  We do a circle of unity to support the unity of people in our nation. How is that considered disrespectful?

The Western Ky guys was pushing the defender out of bounds, why the heck would the defender be holding him? Then you see him shove the defender in the face, which is why the ODU players went back at him.

In your third pic you see the Western guy come in and shove another ODU player in the face (after another western guy shoves 12 in the back. You then see the 3 guys go after the dude that ran over and punched number 12 in the helmet.

You guys hit our player after the whistle on a punt return which caused him to fall into a player injuring his knee. You guys shoved Aaron Young out of bounds. Both plays were rightly called personal fouls on Western Kentucky.

I will go back and watch the DL for ODU.

Number 16 for ODU wasn't even involved in any of it. THe refs got the teams mixed up when tossing him, he was on the sidelines. Number 16 for Western Kentucky was the guy that initiated the whole melee. If there are suspensions, you are going to have 2-3 of them from guys throwing punches. I believe 12 for ODU also threw a punch.

Here's the thing...

you see the Western player pushing...I see the ODU player pulling. That's looking at it through the eyes of fans. What can't be mistaken is the fact that a sh!t load of ODU players goes after the Western player and doesn't stop till they are well onto the field.

No one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven, not eight, not nine, not ten...hell I ran out of fingers. But a sh!t load maybe 1/5 of the ODU traveling team. So push or pull....

does not matter because it should have ended right there.

It would have if 1/5 of ODU's team hadn't acted like a mob.

As for late hits...you are looking through ODU tinted fogged up glasses if you don't think ODU players hit after the whistle or stops as soon as the player goes down. Or gives a cheap shot. With most games...most of those plays goes uncalled. But they happen.

Your coach acted just like you and I'm going to quote...

"In eight years of football, we’ve never been involved in a situation like that"

"We’re one of the least penalized teams in the league"

"They (WKU) are one of the most penalized coming in, they had 13 personal fouls coming into the game"

That has ZERO to do with what happened right in from of him. If 1/5 of the ODU players dont attack the one Western kid...it stops right there

I will take it a step further for you to where this discussion really belongs. If "the one Western kid" doesn't continue to block/push the ODU player five yards past the sideline right into the ODU bench...it stops right there.

A play like that happens in 50% of every game played...players pushing or pulling long after the play ends. Most of the time 4, 5 or 6 times during a game, usually on the field. But on the sidelines I bet you can pick one out in 50% of games.

Yet a mob of teammates don't attack the other player. In this case ODU acted just like a mob

Do you expect them to stand back when a player gets punched in the face?

Stop this...

you know that was not a punch at least not at that point. That was a push and as I said you see it in just about any game you watch. Could have been some swings later on.

But to answer your question. I expect the ODU coaches to stop his team from acting like a mob on a action taking place right beside them. Not to let the mob keep attacking a kid from a couple yards into the sideline and letting it continue 5 to 10 yards on the field

2 on 25? Ya that was provoked by wku.... dumb

One other thing about this "Circle of Unity" and Western telling them when and where to do it...

I have a hard time believing Western would tell ODU to do this right as the Western fight sound was being played and the Western players were entering the field by running through the Western band.

Maybe they did but I can't see it. The Western players had no ideal it was going on...you could tell by their reaction

(10-23-2016 02:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  One other thing about this "Circle of Unity" and Western telling them when and where to do it...

I have a hard time believing Western would tell ODU to do this right as the Western fight sound was being played and the Western players were entering the field by running through the Western band.

Maybe they did but I can't see it. The Western players had no ideal it was going on...you could tell by their reaction

Infact Western was told a week ago about it and was asked to join. I don't think your admin even told the players regarding this matter. Your admins didnt even want to join the 'Circle of Unity' for 30 seconds and made excuses like 'we dont have time to do it because its homecoming'. Yeah more like we have 'hill bulliess who don't like that stuff here'. You are not in our circle and will never be. Get out!!!!

2 on 25. You guys are just being dumb. Which players were punching western kentucky players?

Watch number 12 for ODU and tell me he wasnt punched. Wathed number 5 and tell me he wasnt either punched or shoved on the face.

I wish we showed more swlf control, but what do you expect when the other teams starts throwing punches and ripping players helmets off?

The circle is intended to be done in public, because its a public showing of unity amongst all people against violence (criminal, police or otherwise) To suggest it be done in a locker room is as silly as telling Kapernick to stay in the locker room and take a knee during the anthem. It defeats the purpose. ODU has received a lot of positive press about it, and is usually joined by the other team. Most opponents have found it to be a very positive and inspiring experience. It has nothing to do with football. Thats my only beef with it too. It may become a distraction and part of the reason we get off to such crappy starts.

(10-23-2016 02:46 PM)xxxoduxxx Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 02:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  One other thing about this "Circle of Unity" and Western telling them when and where to do it...

I have a hard time believing Western would tell ODU to do this right as the Western fight sound was being played and the Western players were entering the field by running through the Western band.

Maybe they did but I can't see it. The Western players had no ideal it was going on...you could tell by their reaction

Infact Western was told a week ago about it and was asked to join. I don't think your admin even told the players regarding this matter. Your admins didnt even want to join the 'Circle of Unity' for 30 seconds and made excuses like 'we dont have time to do it because its homecoming'. Yeah more like we have 'hill bulliess who don't like that stuff here'. You are not in our circle and will never be. Get out!!!!

So in your world of safe spaces didn't you just do the same thing you PC FOOLS don't like?

Hell I might as well go ahead and call you racist since you are clearly talking about white country folks...hell in the PC world that you must love it gets used with everything else. So why do you think you can use derogatory terms?

Western being told is not the same as ODU being told to do this as players are coming onto the field and the Western band on the field playing the fight song.

Actually it looks like ODU took it upon themselves to do a "Circle of Unity" in the least unifying way they could. As one Western fan points out....

"A unifying gesture would be to stand with hands over hearts while singing along with the anthem"

But I guess you big city folks aren't about that

(10-23-2016 03:06 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  2 on 25. You guys are just being dumb. Which players were punching western kentucky players?

Watch number 12 for ODU and tell me he wasnt punched. Wathed number 5 and tell me he wasnt either punched or shoved on the face.

I wish we showed more swlf control, but what do you expect when the other teams starts throwing punches and ripping players helmets off?

So was it a punch or shove...very different between the two?

As I pointed out the latter stuff never happens if the ODU mob never acts ,,,,like a mob

When in Rome....

Tech doesn't bring it's traditions on the road to showcase for opposing fans, neither does WKU. The same should go for ODU's kumbaya circle. This is not small time FCS, in FBS you respect the home field and the home teams traditions