(10-25-2016 09:33 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 06:41 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Hate hearing people say things like that. In the late 70's and early to mid 80's my family was farming about 1200 acres and contract harvesting another 30-40 thousand acres. My parents were in a pretty bad wreck that pretty much put an end to that. The last decent amount of farming we did was when I was in high school. We had 2000 acres of corn and soybeans in 96. Lost the corn to hurricane Bertha and the beans to Fran. After that I packed my bags and went to ECU. My dad runs a trucking company, I build houses and do some commercial fishing, and we still farm about 150-200 acres at home but it's mostly to give my grandpa something to do. AT 91 years old he still climbs on the tractor from time to time, runs down parts, and knows more about how to fix equipment than my dad or I have ever thought about.

Taxes pretty much put an end to our farming. Between the death tax and rising property taxes when my Grandfather died it was better for us to sell the property rather than keep it. If Clinton wins you'll see the end of family farming because of the 65% death tax she's proposed.

Hopefully in two years I'll be back into farming, albeit on a much smaller scale. I hope to move so far out in the boondocks that I have to carry my Rtic to the grocery store to keep the ice cream from melting. Build a small herd of cows and pigs and grow just enough produce to sell out the back of my truck a couple times a week.

Sounds like a plan.

(10-25-2016 09:33 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 06:41 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 06:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 05:55 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 04:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  IMO one of the best firearms ever manufactured.

My grandpa bought me one 30 years ago. Still shoots perfectly

My carbine is almost as old. It was my truck gun when we were still farming so the stock is beat up and there's not much bluing left but it still fires every time with good ammo and hits what you are aiming at.

Hate hearing people say things like that. In the late 70's and early to mid 80's my family was farming about 1200 acres and contract harvesting another 30-40 thousand acres. My parents were in a pretty bad wreck that pretty much put an end to that. The last decent amount of farming we did was when I was in high school. We had 2000 acres of corn and soybeans in 96. Lost the corn to hurricane Bertha and the beans to Fran. After that I packed my bags and went to ECU. My dad runs a trucking company, I build houses and do some commercial fishing, and we still farm about 150-200 acres at home but it's mostly to give my grandpa something to do. AT 91 years old he still climbs on the tractor from time to time, runs down parts, and knows more about how to fix equipment than my dad or I have ever thought about.

Taxes pretty much put an end to our farming. Between the death tax and rising property taxes when my Grandfather died it was better for us to sell the property rather than keep it. If Clinton wins you'll see the end of family farming because of the 65% death tax she's proposed.

Hopefully in two years I'll be back into farming, albeit on a much smaller scale. I hope to move so far out in the boondocks that I have to carry my Rtic to the grocery store to keep the ice cream from melting. Build a small herd of cows and pigs and grow just enough produce to sell out the back of my truck a couple times a week.

This is one of the main reasons why I absolute hate estate taxes. I think Democrats have this idea that they are only going after some Wall Street guy. Our death taxes can absolutely destroy the family farm. Folks end up having to sell off the land just to pay the taxes. It's insidious.

(10-25-2016 10:25 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 09:33 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 06:41 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 06:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 05:55 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  My grandpa bought me one 30 years ago. Still shoots perfectly

My carbine is almost as old. It was my truck gun when we were still farming so the stock is beat up and there's not much bluing left but it still fires every time with good ammo and hits what you are aiming at.

Hate hearing people say things like that. In the late 70's and early to mid 80's my family was farming about 1200 acres and contract harvesting another 30-40 thousand acres. My parents were in a pretty bad wreck that pretty much put an end to that. The last decent amount of farming we did was when I was in high school. We had 2000 acres of corn and soybeans in 96. Lost the corn to hurricane Bertha and the beans to Fran. After that I packed my bags and went to ECU. My dad runs a trucking company, I build houses and do some commercial fishing, and we still farm about 150-200 acres at home but it's mostly to give my grandpa something to do. AT 91 years old he still climbs on the tractor from time to time, runs down parts, and knows more about how to fix equipment than my dad or I have ever thought about.

Taxes pretty much put an end to our farming. Between the death tax and rising property taxes when my Grandfather died it was better for us to sell the property rather than keep it. If Clinton wins you'll see the end of family farming because of the 65% death tax she's proposed.

Hopefully in two years I'll be back into farming, albeit on a much smaller scale. I hope to move so far out in the boondocks that I have to carry my Rtic to the grocery store to keep the ice cream from melting. Build a small herd of cows and pigs and grow just enough produce to sell out the back of my truck a couple times a week.

This is one of the main reasons why I absolute hate estate taxes. I think Democrats have this idea that they are only going after some Wall Street guy. Our death taxes can absolutely destroy the family farm. Folks end up having to sell off the land just to pay the taxes. It's insidious.

It's what we had to do.

I guess it could be worse. One of my Grandfather's close friends died a short time after he did and his family had to sell their farm. They bulldozed the homeplace for a gas station and where the feed lot used to be is now a trailer park full of illegals. At least the man who bought our property kept the house (which he rents out), although he planted the pastures and fields in pines for timber.

I keep telling my wife I want to live somewhere that I get on Facebook and make a post about a car driving by the house.

Sometimes I think the death tax is less about collecting taxes and more about turning property over for otherwise productive use according to the powers that be.

(10-24-2016 01:34 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 01:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 12:06 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  On a side note, I got a new toy this week.



Saw it and decided, "Well ****, if there is a 12 ga. AR style shotgun, I want one."

Lol. Scary looking squirrel gun. Lol

nah, this is my squirrel gun.



We have a problem with wild dogs and coyotes. the new toy should come in handy for them.

Feral dogs can be as dangerous as wolves.

(10-25-2016 10:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Feral dogs can be as dangerous as wolves.

We have them down to under 10 now. Used to be a pack of close to 25. There is one yellow lab mix female that kinda runs the show. She's skiddish as hell, only gotten two shots off at her at long distance and missed both times.

The road leading down to my family farm is a one mile straight stretch where people often put out dogs and puppies. The county isn't much help but until the past 4 or 5 years the dogs put out were mostly domesticated and would hang around a few days before moving on. For whatever reason the dogs showing up now are very territorial, I've seen them fighting and killing strays that are abandoned.

When HRC gets elected, don't be surprised if there is a huge surge in gun and ammo sales. The NRA likes to milk the scaredy cats for all they are worth.

I am currently trying to build an AR15 that can shoot 5.56 nato rounds.

(10-25-2016 11:24 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  I am currently trying to build an AR15 that can shoot 5.56 nato rounds.

I'v gone the other direction over the years, buying several SKS rifles in 7.62x54. Russian and Bulgarian surplus ammo was cheap a while back and I've got a few thousand rounds.

(10-25-2016 11:09 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 10:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Feral dogs can be as dangerous as wolves.

We have them down to under 10 now. Used to be a pack of close to 25. There is one yellow lab mix female that kinda runs the show. She's skiddish as hell, only gotten two shots off at her at long distance and missed both times.

The road leading down to my family farm is a one mile straight stretch where people often put out dogs and puppies. The county isn't much help but until the past 4 or 5 years the dogs put out were mostly domesticated and would hang around a few days before moving on. For whatever reason the dogs showing up now are very territorial, I've seen them fighting and killing strays that are abandoned.

We have that same problem at our hunt club. One side of our lease backs up to National Forest land and the rest is either timber company land or absentee owner so it's a huge contiguous block of undeveloped property so it's a common location for people to drop off unwanted pets. One of our member has game cam video of a pack of at least eight killing a yearling on a foodplot, and I've actually killed deer that packs of dogs were running. We tried to do the right thing and get them trapped but the county we are located in only has a two man Animal Control staff so both the Animal Control director and the Sheriff told us to just shoot 'em so for a few years it was an outright war.

We used to have a bad feral cat problem as well but evidently coyotes find cats to be a delicacy because you don't see them in anywhere near the numbers we used to see them. We had two large packs of coyotes move in for a while and the cat population dropped dramatically and despite us reducing the coyote population with shooting and trapping they have yet to rebound.

(10-25-2016 12:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 11:09 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 10:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Feral dogs can be as dangerous as wolves.

We have them down to under 10 now. Used to be a pack of close to 25. There is one yellow lab mix female that kinda runs the show. She's skiddish as hell, only gotten two shots off at her at long distance and missed both times.

The road leading down to my family farm is a one mile straight stretch where people often put out dogs and puppies. The county isn't much help but until the past 4 or 5 years the dogs put out were mostly domesticated and would hang around a few days before moving on. For whatever reason the dogs showing up now are very territorial, I've seen them fighting and killing strays that are abandoned.

We have that same problem at our hunt club. One side of our lease backs up to National Forest land and the rest is either timber company land or absentee owner so it's a huge contiguous block of undeveloped property so it's a common location for people to drop off unwanted pets. One of our member has game cam video of a pack of at least eight killing a yearling on a foodplot, and I've actually killed deer that packs of dogs were running. We tried to do the right thing and get them trapped but the county we are located in only has a two man Animal Control staff so both the Animal Control director and the Sheriff told us to just shoot 'em so for a few years it was an outright war.

We used to have a bad feral cat problem as well but evidently coyotes find cats to be a delicacy because you don't see them in anywhere near the numbers we used to see them. We had two large packs of coyotes move in for a while and the cat population dropped dramatically and despite us reducing the coyote population with shooting and trapping they have yet to rebound.

I worked in remote areas alone when I was younger and they would follow me all day, just outa range. Dangerous.

The estate tax hurt my family. It is nice to know you can work hard your entire life to provide for your family and the government steals half of it when you die.

Freedom, baby! I guess the dead must pay their fair share as well.

(10-25-2016 02:45 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  The estate tax hurt my family. It is nice to know you can work hard your entire life to provide for your family and the government steals half of it when you die.

Bobbleheaded millennials and vacuous liberal lifestyles would not exist without the surplus wealth the free market creates.

(10-25-2016 02:45 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  The estate tax hurt my family. It is nice to know you can work hard your entire life to provide for your family and the government steals half of it when you die.

Freedom, baby! I guess the dead must pay their fair share as well.

The Hildebeast wants to make the death tax 65% so if she gets her way it'll be more than half.

(10-24-2016 12:01 PM)muffinman Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:33 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  When I went in Walmart last week for Thermocell refills they had a whole endcap of cheap .22lr ammo.

I guess I need to get out to carolina then, Ive looked through gun shops, Walmart, Bass Pro, Academy... nothing.

Same here in NC. I bought 500 rounds 22rl at WM last month. There was a decent inventory and I ask the clerk about shortages. He said they get a shipment almost weekly.

(10-25-2016 06:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 12:01 PM)muffinman Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:33 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  When I went in Walmart last week for Thermocell refills they had a whole endcap of cheap .22lr ammo.

I guess I need to get out to carolina then, Ive looked through gun shops, Walmart, Bass Pro, Academy... nothing.

Same here in NC. I bought 500 rounds 22rl at WM last month. There was a decent inventory and I ask the clerk about shortages. He said they get a shipment almost weekly.

Yea, i think the shortage wasnt the fault of the manufacturers... The plinking-grade .22 ammo probably has a very low profit margin and they couldnt justify the need to add production lines for a temporary increased demand trend. Most stores got their same weekly shipment that they always have gotten. The problem was with hoarders/gougers buying everything up as soon as the shipment hit the truck dock. This created a artificial shortage that affected us everyday consumers.

(10-25-2016 07:03 PM)muffinman Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 06:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 12:01 PM)muffinman Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:33 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  When I went in Walmart last week for Thermocell refills they had a whole endcap of cheap .22lr ammo.

I guess I need to get out to carolina then, Ive looked through gun shops, Walmart, Bass Pro, Academy... nothing.

Same here in NC. I bought 500 rounds 22rl at WM last month. There was a decent inventory and I ask the clerk about shortages. He said they get a shipment almost weekly.

Yea, i think the shortage wasnt the fault of the manufacturers... The plinking-grade .22 ammo probably has a very low prifit margin and they couldnt justify the need to add production lines for a temporary increased demand trend. Most stores got their same weekly shipment that they always have gotten. The problem was with hoarders/gougers buying everything up as soon as the shipment hit the truck dock. This created a artificial shortage that affected us everyday consumers.

To my knowledge nobody has brought a new rimfire plant online in a long, long time.

Federal and CCI are maxed out. Federal is producing 8 million rounds per day and CCI is producing about 4 million rounds per day. They are running three shifts a day seven days a week at peak demand.

In addition to the stockpiling that's going on, the main issue is that the .22LR is the most popular caliber of the 300 million+ guns in America. Most people that own a gun own a 22 as well. That's 10s of millions of households that need to be supplied for plinking and hunting just in this country. The reason why people load up when they can. The most popular handgun round is the 9 mm. Same reason that when there's a run on supply it becomes really hard to find, too.

I have about 6 bricks in my gun safe. That's enough to last me many moons even if I end up with grandkids someday.

As a follow up I just read the following which really puts it in perspective. The math is approximate and for ease assumes all 50 states have similar population usage.

If all American 22 LR manufacturers produce three shifts a day at full capacity they would produce about 4.2 billion rounds of .22 per year. That's all they can produce.

That breaks down to approximately 236,000 rounds per state per day. Or in other words, about 460 bricks of 500 per state per day. Which means if you have only 460 people in the entire state that purchase just one brick of 500 rounds the whole supply for that entire state is kaput. When you factor in that there are people that buy whatever they can find that number goes down a lot more quickly.

(10-25-2016 08:03 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 07:03 PM)muffinman Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 06:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 12:01 PM)muffinman Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:33 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  When I went in Walmart last week for Thermocell refills they had a whole endcap of cheap .22lr ammo.

I guess I need to get out to carolina then, Ive looked through gun shops, Walmart, Bass Pro, Academy... nothing.

Same here in NC. I bought 500 rounds 22rl at WM last month. There was a decent inventory and I ask the clerk about shortages. He said they get a shipment almost weekly.

Yea, i think the shortage wasnt the fault of the manufacturers... The plinking-grade .22 ammo probably has a very low prifit margin and they couldnt justify the need to add production lines for a temporary increased demand trend. Most stores got their same weekly shipment that they always have gotten. The problem was with hoarders/gougers buying everything up as soon as the shipment hit the truck dock. This created a artificial shortage that affected us everyday consumers.

To my knowledge nobody has brought a new rimfire plant online in a long, long time.

Federal and CCI are maxed out. Federal is producing 8 million rounds per day and CCI is producing about 4 million rounds per day. They are running three shifts a day seven days a week at peak demand.

In addition to the stockpiling that's going on, the main issue is that the .22LR is the most popular caliber of the 300 million+ guns in America. Most people that own a gun own a 22 as well. That's 10s of millions of households that need to be supplied for plinking and hunting just in this country. The reason why people load up when they can. The most popular handgun round is the 9 mm. Same reason that when there's a run on supply it becomes really hard to find, too.

I have about 6 bricks in my gun safe. That's enough to last me many moons even if I end up with grandkids someday.

There's a lot of truth to your statements. The manufacturers have done all they can to maximize production with their current infrastructure. I can't blame them for not wanting to expand those lines for something with that low of margin in it.

However, 6 bricks of .22 ammo, I wouldn't consider that hoarding... Thats probably around 3000 rounds? Some people will use that up in 6 months of plinking or less.

When Obama was elected in '08, I remember a article that circulated from one of those "survivalist/prepper" sites, that you should have a minimum 15,000 rounds of .22LR for the oncoming collapse of the US. Thus started the hoarding.

At the same time, the gun lobby started the narrative that Obama was going to take all the guns away. That created a "run" on guns (and ammo, by extension) from casual gun owners. Since the .22 is by far the least expensive gun/ammo combo, Im sure it was purchased the most. This is what brought on the "ammo gougers", who started buying everything up they could for resell at gun shows/online for triple the price. .22 was first, then 9mm, .45, .223, etc. followed after that.

While the casual gun owner realized that guns were not going to be taken away, they stopped buying the heavily inflated prices from the ammo gougers. This has lead to several calibers reappearing on shelves with regularity. .22LR seems to be a straggler in some markets (such as mine). But with time, it would recover as well.

Lets see how this goes if Hillary is elected. Hillary, even with all her messages to the contrary, still doesnt have enough power over the NRA & gun lobby to really change the status quo.

Yep. 6 bricks of the 550 federal gets me to about 2,300 plus or minus. I maybe shot 150 rounds of .22 over the past year for a little plinking. My kids are older now and I prefer a .410 or 20 ga for small game.

I set a 2-3 year usage par for all of my loads and calibers and I stay above that on stock. I am pretty good on stock but I may pick up a few things before November 9th.