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S.I. agrees: no expansion
http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...n-unlikely

If the Big Loser 12 agrees to do away with the pro rata TV increase clause in exchange for current $$$, that would seem to mean that they will NEVER expand -- and will then fall apart in 7 years.

A fate they richly deserve.
10-15-2016 08:40 AM
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(10-15-2016 08:40 AM)westwolf Wrote:  http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...n-unlikely

If the Big Loser 12 agrees to do away with the pro rata TV increase clause in exchange for current $$$, that would seem to mean that they will NEVER expand -- and will then fall apart in 7 years.

A fate they richly deserve.

Well it's not a guarantee they fall apart. But the prognosis isn't good.

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It's all about maintaining appearances.

The B12 knows it is rapidly falling behind the B1G and SEC in the long run so they are doing everything they can here in the short run to make their payout appear competitive on paper against the PAC and ACC so there isn't a stampede for the door.

The problem is with these choices, they've basically maxed the conferences earning potential to appear competitive today and sacrificing the future.
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Already a thread dedicated to this article

And I still didn't click on it
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I do think we need to remember there was an honest debate about the virtues of 10 versus getting bigger, and it wasn't a no-brainer comparison. There are real reasons 10 is desirable. Round robin football, home and home for basketball, split the revenue less ways to maximize per team revenue. The reasons to get big were more markets (particularly if there is a conference network) and better positioning for the playoff (more teams= more chances is the biggest reasons). Both are chasing the model with the best per team bottom line and best chance at long term stability.

If the networks are wanting to give a mid year contract pro rata increase, that tilts the original equation back toward the split revenue less ways, especially if there isn't a conference network.

There are multiple business models in any business. Sometimes you have to come up with a different model than what others are doing.

That said, I'm still going to see what the final decision is.
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And if grandma had balls, she would be grandpa.

ESPN didn't get to be the "world leader" by saying "you know that amount of money we agreed to pay you in the contract? Here's what I want you to do: I want you to take that amount ... and I want you DOUBLE IT!"
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TV networks should not be involved in saying who should be in a conference or not.
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TV networks are the ones who pay for the conference's product so of course they are going to have a say. Now the conference doesn't have to follow that. They can say "by God we need a 5th and 6th Texas team in our league!"

To which the Network is perfectly correct in saying "It's your league and that's fine, but we're not paying you more money for that particular choice."
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I disagree. Networks are interfering with government run institutions and that is completely wrong. Either tell these networks to let the conferences expand who they want? or banned them from showing any college games on tv. The networks could get slapped with anti-trust lawsuits if they do not allow the conferences expand.
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The AAC gon' be LIT in 2025.

West:
Houston
Memphis
Tulsa
SMU
TCU
Baylor
Tulane
Navy (Football only)/Wichita State (Oly sports)

East:
Cincinnati
UConn
UCF
USF
Kansas State
Iowa State
Temple
ECU
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(10-15-2016 02:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I disagree. Networks are interfering with government run institutions and that is completely wrong.

The networks have zero power to 'interfere' with these government institutions unless the schools allow them to, so there's no issue here whatsoever.

The schools want to get paid by networks, so of course they will consult with those networks about what they want, just like any business will consult with a client about what the client wants. Otherwise they won't get paid.
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(10-15-2016 02:21 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The AAC gon' be LIT in 2025.

West:
Houston
Memphis
Tulsa
SMU
TCU
Baylor
Tulane
Navy (Football only)/Wichita State (Oly sports)

East:
Cincinnati
UConn
UCF
USF
Kansas State
Iowa State
Temple
ECU

That's not happening, so stop pushing that narrative.
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(10-15-2016 02:30 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 02:21 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The AAC gon' be LIT in 2025.

West:
Houston
Memphis
Tulsa
SMU
TCU
Baylor
Tulane
Navy (Football only)/Wichita State (Oly sports)

East:
Cincinnati
UConn
UCF
USF
Kansas State
Iowa State
Temple
ECU

That's not happening, so stop pushing that narrative.

Why not? Honest question. I've always been a fan of their basketball team, and it makes sense to me. Would they not be interested?
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(10-15-2016 02:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 02:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I disagree. Networks are interfering with government run institutions and that is completely wrong.

The networks have zero power to 'interfere' with these government institutions unless the schools allow them to, so there's no issue here whatsoever.

The schools want to get paid by networks, so of course they will consult with those networks about what they want, just like any business will consult with a client about what the client wants. Otherwise they won't get paid.


Boise State, BYU, Houston, Memphis, East Carolina, Cincinnati, UCF, USF and Northern Illinois is much more valuable with more tv viewers than the ACC schools, and some Big 12 schools. Iowa State, Kansas and West Virginia are not money makers for the networks. Miami Florida, Virginia, Pittsburgh and so forth have very low ratings at times including under 500K viewers. ESPN wasted money for an ACC Network that will fail big time because of low numbers of viewers. It is like the Longhorn Network. Nobody watches that Bull dung network.
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(10-15-2016 02:31 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 02:30 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 02:21 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The AAC gon' be LIT in 2025.

West:
Houston
Memphis
Tulsa
SMU
TCU
Baylor
Tulane
Navy (Football only)/Wichita State (Oly sports)

East:
Cincinnati
UConn
UCF
USF
Kansas State
Iowa State
Temple
ECU

That's not happening, so stop pushing that narrative.

Why not? Honest question. I've always been a fan of their basketball team, and it makes sense to me. Would they not be interested?

Because they will not have to go that route. The Big 12 isn't going to go away; teams may leave the conference and they will simply backfill with teams from the MWC and AAC. You do know how this works right?
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(10-15-2016 02:21 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The AAC gon' be LIT in 2025.

West:
Houston
Memphis
Tulsa
SMU
TCU
Baylor
Tulane
Navy (Football only)/Wichita State (Oly sports)

East:
Cincinnati
UConn
UCF
USF
Kansas State
Iowa State
Temple
ECU

Kronke, even in your dream scenario where the big 12 leftovers join the AAC you manage to include Wichita St. Gotta ask, what's your deal with Wichita St? Did your father or grandfather go there?
Cheers!
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(10-15-2016 08:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 02:21 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The AAC gon' be LIT in 2025.

West:
Houston
Memphis
Tulsa
SMU
TCU
Baylor
Tulane
Navy (Football only)/Wichita State (Oly sports)

East:
Cincinnati
UConn
UCF
USF
Kansas State
Iowa State
Temple
ECU

Kronke, even in your dream scenario where the big 12 leftovers join the AAC you manage to include Wichita St. Gotta ask, what's your deal with Wichita St? Did your father or grandfather go there?
Cheers!


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(10-15-2016 02:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I disagree. Networks are interfering with government run institutions and that is completely wrong. Either tell these networks to let the conferences expand who they want? or banned them from showing any college games on tv. The networks could get slapped with anti-trust lawsuits if they do not allow the conferences expand.

I'm an attorney and I have no earthly idea what you are talking about. How and why would you ban networks from showing college games on tv? You know that's how the SCHOOLS and CONFERENCES make money, right?

Interfering with government-run institutions? I dont know what you are referring to there.
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(10-15-2016 02:31 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 02:30 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 02:21 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The AAC gon' be LIT in 2025.

West:
Houston
Memphis
Tulsa
SMU
TCU
Baylor
Tulane
Navy (Football only)/Wichita State (Oly sports)

East:
Cincinnati
UConn
UCF
USF
Kansas State
Iowa State
Temple
ECU

That's not happening, so stop pushing that narrative.

Why not? Honest question. I've always been a fan of their basketball team, and it makes sense to me. Would they not be interested?

Because a weakened B12 will raid from below, not the other way round. It is what it is.
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(10-16-2016 08:50 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 02:31 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 02:30 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 02:21 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The AAC gon' be LIT in 2025.

West:
Houston
Memphis
Tulsa
SMU
TCU
Baylor
Tulane
Navy (Football only)/Wichita State (Oly sports)

East:
Cincinnati
UConn
UCF
USF
Kansas State
Iowa State
Temple
ECU

That's not happening, so stop pushing that narrative.

Why not? Honest question. I've always been a fan of their basketball team, and it makes sense to me. Would they not be interested?

Because a weakened B12 will raid from below, not the other way round. It is what it is.

It will only "raid from below" if UT/OU are propping it up. That's why its in the lofty position it is right now.

Nobody is going to pay a steep exit fee to join a dead conference with no marketable footprint or brands that "move the needle"... The AAC footprint is more important to the those teams than the opposite. Together, that would be a good league. However, water doesn't run uphill. Logistically it only works in one direction.
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