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RE: "Announced" Attendance
(10-14-2016 02:49 PM)BullRush Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 02:41 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I also think part of the issue Is that USF uses tickets "distributed" whereas most schools use tickets "sold." So USF can give away a ton of tickets to inflate their numbers. They are the only school I've ever noticed use that term.


Do you have any evidence that supports this opinion?

Only anecdotal as I acknowledge in the post. As I said, I've never seen another school use the term "distributed" besides USF. I have seen a lot of other schools use tickets "sold." There may be others that use the term but I haven't noticed any. Distributed implies sold plus given away whereas sold means purchased.
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I really wish UCF fans would stop bringing this topic up.


Ohh wait... Nevermind.
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RE: "Announced" Attendance
(10-14-2016 04:55 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 02:49 PM)BullRush Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 02:41 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I also think part of the issue Is that USF uses tickets "distributed" whereas most schools use tickets "sold." So USF can give away a ton of tickets to inflate their numbers. They are the only school I've ever noticed use that term.


Do you have any evidence that supports this opinion?

Only anecdotal as I acknowledge in the post. As I said, I've never seen another school use the term "distributed" besides USF. I have seen a lot of other schools use tickets "sold." There may be others that use the term but I haven't noticed any. Distributed implies sold plus given away whereas sold means purchased.

Not given away because USF students that count as distributed paid for those tickets thru student fees. Schools do not just announced sold tickets they also count students given to recruits etc as part of announced attendance
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(10-14-2016 01:49 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 12:57 PM)MechaKnight Wrote:  The Liberty Bowl is owned by the city of Memphis and Lincoln Field is owned by the city of Philadelphia. Why do their public stadiums have different reporting standards than Tampa's public stadium?

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Why does San Diego and San Antonio have different standards when reporting for their college football renters in SDSU and UTSA? Is it possible that USF isn't the only 1 out of 128 who does it this way? There are a few other college teams that pay rent because they don't have an OCS...
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These threads are the best
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(10-14-2016 05:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 01:49 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 12:57 PM)MechaKnight Wrote:  The Liberty Bowl is owned by the city of Memphis and Lincoln Field is owned by the city of Philadelphia. Why do their public stadiums have different reporting standards than Tampa's public stadium?

Truth

Why does San Diego and San Antonio have different standards when reporting for their college football renters in SDSU and UTSA? Is it possible that USF isn't the only 1 out of 128 who does it this way? There are a few other college teams that pay rent because they don't have an OCS...
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I think it depends on the municipal regulations or practices of the city or county that owns the stadium. I find it difficult to fathom that university owned stadiums all have accurate counts, but even if that's the assumption; it's not worth a huge discussion for me. :)
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(10-14-2016 05:02 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 04:55 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 02:49 PM)BullRush Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 02:41 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I also think part of the issue Is that USF uses tickets "distributed" whereas most schools use tickets "sold." So USF can give away a ton of tickets to inflate their numbers. They are the only school I've ever noticed use that term.


Do you have any evidence that supports this opinion?

Only anecdotal as I acknowledge in the post. As I said, I've never seen another school use the term "distributed" besides USF. I have seen a lot of other schools use tickets "sold." There may be others that use the term but I haven't noticed any. Distributed implies sold plus given away whereas sold means purchased.

Not given away because USF students that count as distributed paid for those tickets thru student fees. Schools do not just announced sold tickets they also count students given to recruits etc as part of announced attendance

I'm not referring to student tickets. My point is I find it odd that USF uses a term I've only seen them use "distributed" vs most schools using tickets "sold." Why the use of a different term, especially one that has a connotation that would include giving away for free. Why not just use tickets "sold" if the announced attendance number is really sold tickets?
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What matters most is tix sold. Second is actual attendance. $ is where fandom is. "Where your treasure is..." and all that.
I'd rather sell 60,000 and have 44k show than sell 50k and have 48k show
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UAB has used "distributed" in the past (at least once) because another expert with nothing else to do questioned them about it at the time.

That discussion was as meaningful and fruitful as this one. :))

Do UCF fans just want everyone on this board to individually congratulate them on steller attendance? Would that lessen the tragedy of USF having admittedly poor attendance at a game on a weekend that a hurricane just happened to pass by the general geographic area?
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(10-14-2016 06:25 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  UAB has used "distributed" in the past (at least once) because another expert with nothing else to do questioned them about it at the time.

That discussion was as meaningful and fruitful as this one. :))

Do UCF fans just want everyone on this board to individually congratulate them on steller attendance? Would that lessen the tragedy of USF having admittedly poor attendance at a game on a weekend that a hurricane just happened to pass by the general geographic area?


USF must be doing something right to have so many threads started about them by UCF fans
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RE: "Announced" Attendance
(10-14-2016 06:25 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  UAB has used "distributed" in the past (at least once) because another expert with nothing else to do questioned them about it at the time.

That discussion was as meaningful and fruitful as this one. :))

Do UCF fans just want everyone on this board to individually congratulate them on steller attendance? Would that lessen the tragedy of USF having admittedly poor attendance at a game on a weekend that a hurricane just happened to pass by the general geographic area?

Just for the record, the game was played in sunny weather for the entire game. Hurricane was on east coast. Tampa is on the west coast. Hurricane was early morning Friday and their game was Saturday. I don't get the hurricane excuse. The were never in the path of bad weather.
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(10-14-2016 06:33 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 06:25 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  UAB has used "distributed" in the past (at least once) because another expert with nothing else to do questioned them about it at the time.

That discussion was as meaningful and fruitful as this one. :))

Do UCF fans just want everyone on this board to individually congratulate them on steller attendance? Would that lessen the tragedy of USF having admittedly poor attendance at a game on a weekend that a hurricane just happened to pass by the general geographic area?


USF must be doing something right to have so many threads started about them by UCF fans

This thread was started by a USF fan...
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UCF fans need to straighten up. Stop starting those threads.
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(10-14-2016 06:53 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 06:25 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  UAB has used "distributed" in the past (at least once) because another expert with nothing else to do questioned them about it at the time.

That discussion was as meaningful and fruitful as this one. :))

Do UCF fans just want everyone on this board to individually congratulate them on steller attendance? Would that lessen the tragedy of USF having admittedly poor attendance at a game on a weekend that a hurricane just happened to pass by the general geographic area?

Just for the record, the game was played in sunny weather for the entire game. Hurricane was on east coast. Tampa is on the west coast. Hurricane was early morning Friday and their game was Saturday. I don't get the hurricane excuse. The were never in the path of bad weather.

For the record Tampa was under a Tropical storm warning and there was doubt whether the game would be postponed like UF did with theirs on Saturday. Also many alumni that could be attending homecoming as my self live on the east coast.
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(10-14-2016 06:04 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I'm not referring to student tickets. My point is I find it odd that USF uses a term I've only seen them use "distributed" vs most schools using tickets "sold." Why the use of a different term, especially one that has a connotation that would include giving away for free. Why not just use tickets "sold" if the announced attendance number is really sold tickets?

Technically, every college football attendance figure includes basically 4 items that make up their official "announced" attendance:

1) Tickets Sold
2) Student Admission at the game (those scanned ID's at gate if they receive free admission on game day, usually due to athletic fee charged per hour class)
3) Distributed Tickets: Unpaid tickets used by marketing, Univ "owned" tickets, i.e. Athletic Dept own sections/Univ owned sections (where $$ many times is never changes hands), plus free tickets used in exchanged for marketing purposes, contests, promotions, etc...
4) Media and Stadium Personnel: Usually its a percentage based on attendance

Normally the above is how its done at every school...as its never just "tickets sold"...so yes, Tickets Distributed would be an adequate description for attendance figures.

Also, because of digital ticketing...Univ don't even have to "print out" tickets anymore...as they can digitally be "dropped" into virtually any category...and maybe some get used/scanned, others do not (maybe more so for 3rd party exchanges, sponsorships, promos, etc...).
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(10-14-2016 06:33 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 06:25 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  UAB has used "distributed" in the past (at least once) because another expert with nothing else to do questioned them about it at the time.

That discussion was as meaningful and fruitful as this one. :))

Do UCF fans just want everyone on this board to individually congratulate them on steller attendance? Would that lessen the tragedy of USF having admittedly poor attendance at a game on a weekend that a hurricane just happened to pass by the general geographic area?


USF must be doing something right to have so many threads started about them by UCF fans

Perhaps you should go back and look who started this thread.
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(10-14-2016 06:25 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  UAB has used "distributed" in the past (at least once) because another expert with nothing else to do questioned them about it at the time.

That discussion was as meaningful and fruitful as this one. :))

Do UCF fans just want everyone on this board to individually congratulate them on steller attendance? Would that lessen the tragedy of USF having admittedly poor attendance at a game on a weekend that a hurricane just happened to pass by the general geographic area?

In all honesty a lot of UCF fans on here are just using it to piss off USF fans.
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Slightly related, but I wish every school just used turnstile attendance as their reported attendance. It makes no sense to me to report tickets sold or whatever it is as actual attendance. Attendance is how many people walked through the gates and actually attended the game. Why does every school fudge the numbers and report something difference? Just cause someone bought a ticket doesn't mean they actually attended the game, so they shouldn't be counted in attendance.
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(10-15-2016 09:06 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 06:25 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  UAB has used "distributed" in the past (at least once) because another expert with nothing else to do questioned them about it at the time.

That discussion was as meaningful and fruitful as this one. :))

Do UCF fans just want everyone on this board to individually congratulate them on steller attendance? Would that lessen the tragedy of USF having admittedly poor attendance at a game on a weekend that a hurricane just happened to pass by the general geographic area?

In all honesty a lot of UCF fans on here are just using it to piss off USF fans.

Doesn't piss me off. It just makes me wonder why they keep repeating same BS when it has been explained a million times. And it's always about USF so to me it shows some type of insecurity about how they perceive the two schools.
I mean you never see the same crowd talk about FIU nor UM. So I guess they feel USF is a thread to their school. 04-cheers
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(10-15-2016 10:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 09:06 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 06:25 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  UAB has used "distributed" in the past (at least once) because another expert with nothing else to do questioned them about it at the time.

That discussion was as meaningful and fruitful as this one. :))

Do UCF fans just want everyone on this board to individually congratulate them on steller attendance? Would that lessen the tragedy of USF having admittedly poor attendance at a game on a weekend that a hurricane just happened to pass by the general geographic area?

In all honesty a lot of UCF fans on here are just using it to piss off USF fans.

Doesn't piss me off. It just makes me wonder why they keep repeating same BS when it has been explained a million times. And it's always about USF so to me it shows some type of insecurity about how they perceive the two schools.
I mean you never see the same crowd talk about FIU nor UM. So I guess they feel USF is a thread to their school. 04-cheers

Oh man, definitely the worst kind of....thread..**07-coffee3
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