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RE: Experts Say UConn Should Have Backup Plan [Big East says no to expansion]
The big glitch that I see in all this is that the Big East teams do not retain their tier 3 rights.

UConn needs to figure out a way to make those back because they are worth many millions to the school.

SNY used to charge every cable sub in Connecticut (1.35m) a fee of $2.65 a month after it picked up UConn's tier 3 rights (plus coaches' shows, etc.)

UConn needs to claw that back instead of letting ESPN have all the proceeds. The question is how?

UConn could also try to use the BE as leverage against the AAC. I am sure there are other AAC schools that would love to regain their tier 3 rights, I just don't know who they are.

What say you? I bet UConn would be happy in the AAC if it could retain those rights.
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(10-14-2016 08:20 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:40 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:35 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:19 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:09 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Uconn should just drop back to d1aa and go to the A10

But then who will help Memphis improve to the point where they're as valuable as Rice or Tulane?
Fricks given. None. Rather play Southern Miss or latech.

Makes sense, schools do prefer to play their peers.
Uconn should look forward to UMass Vermont, deleware, Maine and rhode island

Based on this round of expansion, UConn's closer to Kansas and West Virginia. Memphis and Arky State could probably develop a nice little rivalry though. Maybe ESPN would make Memphis a Group A program in the Sun Belt.
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RE: Experts Say UConn Should Have Backup Plan [Big East says no to expansion]
The Big East will make an exception for UConn. The Big East is not going to pass on the chance to add a program with the pedigree of UConn.

I don't think UConn should do it though. It would cripple their football program.
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(10-14-2016 08:35 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  The big glitch that I see in all this is that the Big East teams do not retain their tier 3 rights.

UConn needs to figure out a way to make those back because they are worth many millions to the school.

SNY used to charge every cable sub in Connecticut (1.35m) a fee of $2.65 a month after it picked up UConn's tier 3 rights (plus coaches' shows, etc.)

UConn needs to claw that back instead of letting ESPN have all the proceeds. The question is how?

UConn could also try to use the BE as leverage against the AAC. I am sure there are other AAC schools that would love to regain their tier 3 rights, I just don't know who they are.

What say you? I bet UConn would be happy in the AAC if it could retain those rights.

UConn doesn't have all the leverage here. AAC could say, bye, see you, and UConn would have no where, or no where good to place their football program. UConn has some leverage, but not all the leverage. Especially if they care about their football program. Now, if they don't care where football goes, then yes, they have more leverage.
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(10-14-2016 08:35 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 08:20 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:40 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:35 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:19 PM)Bogg Wrote:  But then who will help Memphis improve to the point where they're as valuable as Rice or Tulane?
Fricks given. None. Rather play Southern Miss or latech.

Makes sense, schools do prefer to play their peers.
Uconn should look forward to UMass Vermont, deleware, Maine and rhode island

Based on this round of expansion, UConn's closer to Kansas and West Virginia. Memphis and Arky State could probably develop a nice little rivalry though. Maybe ESPN would make Memphis a Group A program in the Sun Belt.
No longer a Tennessee fan bogg. Uconn now?
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(10-14-2016 08:35 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 08:20 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:40 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:35 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:19 PM)Bogg Wrote:  But then who will help Memphis improve to the point where they're as valuable as Rice or Tulane?
Fricks given. None. Rather play Southern Miss or latech.

Makes sense, schools do prefer to play their peers.
Uconn should look forward to UMass Vermont, deleware, Maine and rhode island

Based on this round of expansion, UConn's closer to Kansas and West Virginia. Memphis and Arky State could probably develop a nice little rivalry though. Maybe ESPN would make Memphis a Group A program in the Sun Belt.
Top half of sun belt would run uconn off the field.
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(10-14-2016 09:07 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The Big East will make an exception for UConn. The Big East is not going to pass on the chance to add a program with the pedigree of UConn.

Clearly, the Big East would love to have UConn back. And speaking as a Big East fan, I can tell you it's not so much for the pedigree, but just the history. Through good times and bad, success and failure, UConn was an integral part of Big East hoops for over 30 years. We miss competing against them.

But even at UConn, football has to come first, so as long as there isn't a football option at least as good as the current AAC, and there isn't, it makes no sense to do it.
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Why can't UConn do what BYU has done?? Go for a big schedule, try to get on TV as much as possible. They aren't winning the AAC now, so if they lose a lot what's the difference??

Then hope a P5 comes calling, either for full or possibly football-only (particularly if Big 12 sets that precedent on Monday).
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(10-14-2016 09:12 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 08:35 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 08:20 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:40 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:35 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Fricks given. None. Rather play Southern Miss or latech.

Makes sense, schools do prefer to play their peers.
Uconn should look forward to UMass Vermont, deleware, Maine and rhode island

Based on this round of expansion, UConn's closer to Kansas and West Virginia. Memphis and Arky State could probably develop a nice little rivalry though. Maybe ESPN would make Memphis a Group A program in the Sun Belt.
No longer a Tennessee fan bogg. Uconn now?

I'm genuinely unsure where Tennessee comes into play in all this.
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(10-14-2016 09:46 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why can't UConn do what BYU has done?? Go for a big schedule, try to get on TV as much as possible. They aren't winning the AAC now, so if they lose a lot what's the difference??

Then hope a P5 comes calling, either for full or possibly football-only (particularly if Big 12 sets that precedent on Monday).

Because UConn wouldn't go independent in all sports, and basketball is where the value is for UConn (and that was probably true of all the schools in BE 2.0). For independent football to work long term you need a national following with a national TV contract. BYU has that. UConn has that -- for basketball.

College football in the northeast is just different than anywhere else. In the Big East, UConn was in a group of its peers, in multiple ways. The value in the Big East was basketball, with some football schools thrown in that had a pedigree. It's why the group didn't separate in 2005, and it's why the Catholic 7 initially stayed with the current American schools until the basketball product was so diluted it really hurt them.

Even at Rutgers, as bad as our basketball has been since the mid 80s, basketball was profitable until we ran Gary Waters out of town.

Could UConn go for a big schedule? I wouldn't think so, unless they wanted to play their games at Gillette or Met Life. Could they get a national TV contract for football only? Uconn fans, tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Basketball would have to be part of that contract (along the lines of the UConn sports network), but UConn would want their basketball program somewhere.
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If Fox really wants UConn in the Big East, they could easily make it happen. Since football is the priority for UConn, they could easily arrange an independent football schedule involving the PAC-12, Big 12 and B1G teams each year, as well as annual match-ups with Boston College, UMass, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, BYU, among others.

It is very doable, but the question isn't whether that would be financially acceptable for UConn (which it most certainly would be), but rather would Fox have enough financial incentive make that happen. The other point would be whether or not UConn would be comfortable to leave ESPN, who hasn't exactly been the best partner for them in recent seasons.
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(10-14-2016 10:13 AM)megadrone Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 09:46 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why can't UConn do what BYU has done?? Go for a big schedule, try to get on TV as much as possible. They aren't winning the AAC now, so if they lose a lot what's the difference??

Then hope a P5 comes calling, either for full or possibly football-only (particularly if Big 12 sets that precedent on Monday).

Because UConn wouldn't go independent in all sports, and basketball is where the value is for UConn (and that was probably true of all the schools in BE 2.0). For independent football to work long term you need a national following with a national TV contract. BYU has that. UConn has that -- for basketball.

College football in the northeast is just different than anywhere else. In the Big East, UConn was in a group of its peers, in multiple ways. The value in the Big East was basketball, with some football schools thrown in that had a pedigree. It's why the group didn't separate in 2005, and it's why the Catholic 7 initially stayed with the current American schools until the basketball product was so diluted it really hurt them.

Even at Rutgers, as bad as our basketball has been since the mid 80s, basketball was profitable until we ran Gary Waters out of town.

Could UConn go for a big schedule? I wouldn't think so, unless they wanted to play their games at Gillette or Met Life. Could they get a national TV contract for football only? Uconn fans, tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Basketball would have to be part of that contract (along the lines of the UConn sports network), but UConn would want their basketball program somewhere.

Well, the general line of thinking is that Fox Sports would give UConn a football TV contract if it meant getting UConn men's and women's basketball into the existing Fox Big East contract. Call it a convoluted way of paying for basketball instead of football, but that's the belief.
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Mega,

Your first sentence is confusing. I'm not proposing UConn go indy in all sports -- the opposite. BYU isn't indy in all sports either.

BYU is recognized and televised by ESPN, true. But they also have the "advantage" of being the West, so they can more easily fill later timeslots. UConn does not have that advantage.

But, BYU was on TV last week ... because it was playing Mich St. I think that's how UConn can still get on TV. Playing ACC, Big Ten, SEC schools. It would be recognized as a "P5-like" non-conf game, and would be put on TV.


Everyone here is very down on UConn indy football. And that's fine. All the arguments have been made. But I don't care, I still think they can pull it off.
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(10-14-2016 11:11 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Mega,

Your first sentence is confusing. I'm not proposing UConn go indy in all sports -- the opposite. BYU isn't indy in all sports either.

BYU is recognized and televised by ESPN, true. But they also have the "advantage" of being the West, so they can more easily fill later timeslots. UConn does not have that advantage.

But, BYU was on TV last week ... because it was playing Mich St. I think that's how UConn can still get on TV. Playing ACC, Big Ten, SEC schools. It would be recognized as a "P5-like" non-conf game, and would be put on TV.


Everyone here is very down on UConn indy football. And that's fine. All the arguments have been made. But I don't care, I still think they can pull it off.

The premise of the thread is that the Big East won't expand. If UConn goes anywhere else, their football and basketball would go together -- the only non P5 conference that makes sense is the Big East. Otherwise they'd be leaving the American with no home, and their olympic sports need a home.

It's very difficult to make indy football work in the long term, unless you are Army or Notre Dame. BYU has the national following/appeal AND has a National Championship in its past, yet they were considering the Big 12.
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Like I said, I think UConn can do it. Do it long enough until the ACC or Big Ten eventually come calling, that is. And the Big East is a heck of a "parking spot" for non-football sports.

Heck, maybe Buffalo, UConn, and UMass all work towards the same ends, being the big NE public flagships.
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(10-13-2016 08:40 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
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(10-13-2016 08:04 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Can we stop with UConn to the BE? UConn has aspirations for FBS FB. As long as there even the slimmest chance of getting into the ACC, B10 or even the B12 when they go to 14 or 16 or need to replace Texas or Oklahoma they will hold out for that. The American is still the best place to develop the FB brand , even if Cincy and Houston leave.
Uconn should just drop back to d1aa and go to the A10

But then who will help Memphis improve to the point where they're as valuable as Rice or Tulane?
Fricks given. None. Rather play Southern Miss or latech.

Makes sense, schools do prefer to play their peers.

(10-14-2016 09:10 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 08:35 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  The big glitch that I see in all this is that the Big East teams do not retain their tier 3 rights.

UConn needs to figure out a way to make those back because they are worth many millions to the school.

SNY used to charge every cable sub in Connecticut (1.35m) a fee of $2.65 a month after it picked up UConn's tier 3 rights (plus coaches' shows, etc.)

UConn needs to claw that back instead of letting ESPN have all the proceeds. The question is how?

UConn could also try to use the BE as leverage against the AAC. I am sure there are other AAC schools that would love to regain their tier 3 rights, I just don't know who they are.

What say you? I bet UConn would be happy in the AAC if it could retain those rights.

UConn doesn't have all the leverage here. AAC could say, bye, see you, and UConn would have no where, or no where good to place their football program. UConn has some leverage, but not all the leverage. Especially if they care about their football program. Now, if they don't care where football goes, then yes, they have more leverage.

If UConn tells the AAC that 3rd tier rights are the most important thing to them, then the AAC will have a decision to make. If UConn had no other possible avenues at all, it wouldn't make any demands about tier 3 rights.
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(10-14-2016 11:11 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Mega,

Your first sentence is confusing. I'm not proposing UConn go indy in all sports -- the opposite. BYU isn't indy in all sports either.

BYU is recognized and televised by ESPN, true. But they also have the "advantage" of being the West, so they can more easily fill later timeslots. UConn does not have that advantage.

But, BYU was on TV last week ... because it was playing Mich St. I think that's how UConn can still get on TV. Playing ACC, Big Ten, SEC schools. It would be recognized as a "P5-like" non-conf game, and would be put on TV.


Everyone here is very down on UConn indy football. And that's fine. All the arguments have been made. But I don't care, I still think they can pull it off.

Here's my take. Assuming no P5 invite, when would UConn consider leaving the AAC? I think the answer is: when the AAC schedule is worse than what they could do elsewhere. I don't see any situation where UConn would put FB in the MAC or SunBelt. But if there was a deal to be had to take it Indy, and if that schedule looked something like what BYU plays, they could do it. They would absolutely need a broadcast partner to help drive scheduling. The B1G already treats UConn as P5 for its schools, so that helps.

But....if that was possible, then why wouldn't the ACC give UConn that deal? Lock up your #16 for whenever ND joins, create a balanced non football schedule, agree to 4 football games a year (UConn is playing 3 ACC games this year as it is), and UConn signs a deal that it will stay through the GOR. BYU, Army, Navy, 4 ACC schools...it's not hard to fill a schedule if you have that.
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(10-14-2016 09:12 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 08:35 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 08:20 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:40 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:35 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Fricks given. None. Rather play Southern Miss or latech.

Makes sense, schools do prefer to play their peers.
Uconn should look forward to UMass Vermont, deleware, Maine and rhode island

Based on this round of expansion, UConn's closer to Kansas and West Virginia. Memphis and Arky State could probably develop a nice little rivalry though. Maybe ESPN would make Memphis a Group A program in the Sun Belt.
No longer a Tennessee fan bogg. Uconn now?

Wait Bogg is a Tennessee fan? Bogg, is this true?
Cheers!
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(10-14-2016 01:13 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Like I said, I think UConn can do it. Do it long enough until the ACC or Big Ten eventually come calling, that is. And the Big East is a heck of a "parking spot" for non-football sports.

Heck, maybe Buffalo, UConn, and UMass all work towards the same ends, being the big NE public flagships.
I think they should either way. Do it next year. Go full independent. Let the AAC bring Southern Miss in.
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UConn always belonged with the old Big East football schools. I'm talking prior to even Cincy/Louisville/USF defecting from the old CUSA.

Now, with the AAC being the same thing as the old CUSA, UConn doesn't really belong there.
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