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(10-13-2016 01:12 AM)ULdave Wrote:  Says the guy (speaking of Neinas) who passed on Louisville.

Learning from his big mistake LOL

The B12 could have had a really nice eastern section of WVU, Louisville, Cincinnati all of this time.
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(10-13-2016 01:43 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 04:15 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  In Neinas defense he still had to do what Texas told him. Dodds can try and change the narrative by claiming "Texas was for Louisville." The truth is everyone knows better. Boren pushed UofL, Jurich visited Austin, kissed Dodds ring and it got Louisville nowhere with The Big 12.

I hope The Big 12 does expand. I still can't help but think that The Big 12 needs to add at least 4 teams to insulate themselves from a program or two leaving sometime down the road.

Bowlsby needs to push Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis and Central Florida UCONN to The Big 12 Board of Presidents. If The Big 12 doesn't expand or chooses to expand with two, it might be looked at down the road as too little too late.
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Made a slight correction to your 4 schools

I actually agree with you.
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RE: Chuck Neinas:"Reason for expansion is more for trying to ensure stability tha...
(10-13-2016 01:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 10:52 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:57 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 04:15 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  In Neinas defense he still had to do what Texas told him. Dodds can try and change the narrative by claiming "Texas was for Louisville." The truth is everyone knows better. Boren pushed UofL, Jurich visited Austin, kissed Dodds ring and it got Louisville nowhere with The Big 12.

I hope The Big 12 does expand. I still can't help but think that The Big 12 needs to add at least 4 teams to insulate themselves from a program or two leaving sometime down the road.

Bowlsby needs to push Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis and Central Florida to The Big 12 Board of Presidents. If The Big 12 doesn't expand or chooses to expand with two, it might be looked at down the road as too little too late.
CJ

If they "Truly" want stability add USF, UConn, Houston and Cincinnati...improves Basketball...gives a bridge to WVU...Expands TV market into the NE, Ohio and Florida...07-coffee3

Stability for the Big 12 means Texas leaving the conference.
Right, but that also means stability as a G conference not a P5 conference.

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Not if only Texas left.
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RE: Chuck Neinas:"Reason for expansion is more for trying to ensure stability tha...
(10-13-2016 01:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 09:53 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 09:47 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The talk in 2011 was that FOX preferred WVU to Louisville.

Thank You FOX...04-cheers...Love being in the ACC and in the same Division as FSU & Clemson in Football and the same Basketball league with Syracuse, UNC & Duke..04-cheers
In 2011, after the Big 12 was raided, it badly needed to boost its football brand for the upcoming TV deals. WVU, which had been to and won BCS bowls, was simply a bigger football brand at that time.

WVU and TCU were, like Houston right now, just the hottest football brands available, other than Boise, and Boise had and still has unique baggage that knocks it out.

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Myself...in the long run I glad that the Big XII viewed Louisville as the lower brand...I am thankful that the B1G took Maryland and that FSU & Clemson fought for Louisville over UConn...Good things happen to those that wait...
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RE: Chuck Neinas:"Reason for expansion is more for trying to ensure stability tha...
(10-13-2016 02:09 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 01:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 10:52 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 08:57 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 04:15 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  In Neinas defense he still had to do what Texas told him. Dodds can try and change the narrative by claiming "Texas was for Louisville." The truth is everyone knows better. Boren pushed UofL, Jurich visited Austin, kissed Dodds ring and it got Louisville nowhere with The Big 12.

I hope The Big 12 does expand. I still can't help but think that The Big 12 needs to add at least 4 teams to insulate themselves from a program or two leaving sometime down the road.

Bowlsby needs to push Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis and Central Florida to The Big 12 Board of Presidents. If The Big 12 doesn't expand or chooses to expand with two, it might be looked at down the road as too little too late.
CJ

If they "Truly" want stability add USF, UConn, Houston and Cincinnati...improves Basketball...gives a bridge to WVU...Expands TV market into the NE, Ohio and Florida...07-coffee3

Stability for the Big 12 means Texas leaving the conference.
Right, but that also means stability as a G conference not a P5 conference.

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Not if only Texas left.

If Texas ever left that means Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are gone as well.
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(10-13-2016 01:44 PM)AntiG Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 01:12 AM)ULdave Wrote:  Says the guy (speaking of Neinas) who passed on Louisville.

Learning from his big mistake LOL

The B12 could have had a really nice eastern section of WVU, Louisville, Cincinnati all of this time.

That was definitely a 'sin of the past' that the Presidents should have on their mind in deliberations.

There are assets that could make the Big 12 'whole' again and solidify the conference.

What they need to decide is if they want to be a conference.
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RE: Chuck Neinas:"Reason for expansion is more for trying to ensure stability tha...
oh what might have been! Plan was in place ! Almost happened

Rutgers
Louisville
Cincy
Pitt
Syracuse
WVU
UConn
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Iowa St
USF

Villanova
Providence
Georgetown
St Johns
Seton Hall
Marquette
DePaul
Notre Dame
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RE: Chuck Neinas:"Reason for expansion is more for trying to ensure stability than money"
That looks like the 16 team Big East that we all knew, + four corn-growing great plains schools thrown in for good measure.

Why? That's like having WV in the Big 12 ...


Also, what would've happened to Baylor and TCU in that plan? Assuming Colo, Texas, Tech, TA&M, OU, OK St to PAC and Nebraska to Big Ten.
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(10-14-2016 06:10 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  four corn-growing great plains schools thrown in for good measure.

Funny that those teams will likely end up in the lineal Big East (the AAC) when UT and OU bolt.
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RE: Chuck Neinas:"Reason for expansion is more for trying to ensure stability than money"
Even if that happens, you can certain that Missouri and Kansas won't!
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RE: Chuck Neinas:"Reason for expansion is more for trying to ensure stability tha...
(10-13-2016 04:03 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 01:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 09:53 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 09:47 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The talk in 2011 was that FOX preferred WVU to Louisville.

Thank You FOX...04-cheers...Love being in the ACC and in the same Division as FSU & Clemson in Football and the same Basketball league with Syracuse, UNC & Duke..04-cheers
In 2011, after the Big 12 was raided, it badly needed to boost its football brand for the upcoming TV deals. WVU, which had been to and won BCS bowls, was simply a bigger football brand at that time.

WVU and TCU were, like Houston right now, just the hottest football brands available, other than Boise, and Boise had and still has unique baggage that knocks it out.

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Myself...in the long run I glad that the Big XII viewed Louisville as the lower brand...I am thankful that the B1G took Maryland and that FSU & Clemson fought for Louisville over UConn...Good things happen to those that wait...

Why must you lie like that?
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(10-13-2016 01:42 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I like the Cincy/UH outcome. Reasonable geography, good athletic potential (or at least as good as anyone out there), decent budgets. And most importantly, would put expansion to rest. If they don't expand, this continues to hang over their heads. Not to mention the short term negative optics of the whole song and dance. A modest expansion is the best middle ground.

I think this is the general consensus of most who've stated their opinion on the matter.
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RE: Chuck Neinas:"Reason for expansion is more for trying to ensure stability than money"
(10-16-2016 09:27 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 01:42 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I like the Cincy/UH outcome. Reasonable geography, good athletic potential (or at least as good as anyone out there), decent budgets. And most importantly, would put expansion to rest. If they don't expand, this continues to hang over their heads. Not to mention the short term negative optics of the whole song and dance. A modest expansion is the best middle ground.

I think this is the general consensus of most who've stated their opinion on the matter.

Most fans inside the conference don't really care to add UH. UC is viewed far more favorably.
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(10-16-2016 10:28 AM)Groo Wrote:  
(10-16-2016 09:27 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 01:42 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I like the Cincy/UH outcome. Reasonable geography, good athletic potential (or at least as good as anyone out there), decent budgets. And most importantly, would put expansion to rest. If they don't expand, this continues to hang over their heads. Not to mention the short term negative optics of the whole song and dance. A modest expansion is the best middle ground.

I think this is the general consensus of most who've stated their opinion on the matter.

Most fans inside the conference don't really care to add UH. UC is viewed far more favorably.

Yes, we all know about your recruiting anxieties. 04-cheers

I'm sure Tommy Tuberville appreciates it.
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RE: Chuck Neinas: BigXII Expansion about stability. Should add Cincinnati and Houston
Per David Barron:

Some things, however, are clear to some observers. Chuck Neinas, the former interim conference commissioner and a longtime college football industry consultant, said last week, "Let's face it: There's only three in the race: UH, Cincinnati, BYU."


http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/c...971434.php

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RE: Chuck Neinas: BigXII Expansion about stability. Should add Cincinnati and Houston
(10-13-2016 07:20 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 01:12 AM)ULdave Wrote:  Says the guy (speaking of Neinas) who passed on Louisville.

And...........that seems to have worked out for the Cardinals so you should be thanking Chuck.
Louisville is clearly in a better place. I'm just pointing out the fact that this particular individual failed when he had the opportunity to solidify the Big12.

And he was kind of a dick about it at the time, so eff him and his opinions.
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RE: Chuck Neinas: BigXII Expansion about stability. Should add Cincinnati and Houston
(10-16-2016 11:44 AM)ULdave Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 07:20 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 01:12 AM)ULdave Wrote:  Says the guy (speaking of Neinas) who passed on Louisville.

And...........that seems to have worked out for the Cardinals so you should be thanking Chuck.
Louisville is clearly in a better place. I'm just pointing out the fact that this particular individual failed when he had the opportunity to solidify the Big12.

And he was kind of a dick about it at the time, so eff him and his opinions.

I still don't believe the Big 12 would have been solidified with the addition of WVU & Louisville without another program being added and this farce of an expansion would still be happening.
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Chuck Neinas: BigXII Expansion about stability. Should add Cincinnati and Houston
(10-14-2016 04:49 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  oh what might have been! Plan was in place ! Almost happened

Houston
Memphis
Cincy
TCU
Baylor
WVU
UConn
Kansas
Kansas State
UCF
Iowa St
USF

Villanova
Providence
Georgetown
St Johns
Seton Hall
Marquette
DePaul
Butler

Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Louisville, and Norte Dame still leave for the ACC. Rutgers still leaves for the Big Ten. Missouri still leaves for the SEC.

Most likely if the Texahoma 4 plus Missouri and Texas A&M bolted, the Big 12 invites the Big East football schools as a group, using the "get out of jail free" card, plus Houston. Memphis and UCF backfill in the wake of B1G expansion.

Big 12 West - TCU, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Houston, Louisville (Memphis)

Big 12 East - USF, UConn, Pitt (Temple), Syracuse (East Carolina), WVU, Rutgers (UCF), Cincinnati

SMU and Tulane remain in Conference USA, keeping North Texas and Western Kentucky in the Sun Belt.


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RE: Chuck Neinas: BigXII Expansion about stability. Should add Cincinnati and Houston
Going to be hard to watch anything Big 12, and take them seriously if after putting so many schools through their gauntlet, they decide to do nothing with expansion.
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RE: Chuck Neinas: BigXII Expansion about stability. Should add Cincinnati and Houston
(10-16-2016 11:44 AM)ULdave Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 07:20 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 01:12 AM)ULdave Wrote:  Says the guy (speaking of Neinas) who passed on Louisville.

And...........that seems to have worked out for the Cardinals so you should be thanking Chuck.
Louisville is clearly in a better place. I'm just pointing out the fact that this particular individual failed when he had the opportunity to solidify the Big12.

And he was kind of a dick about it at the time, so eff him and his opinions.

Who knows if a 'whole' "Big 12" wouldn't have been perceived as the better place?

The "psychological disadvantage" is built-in right now, since the conference name is a constant reminder of the raid that left the league 4 programs short of 12.

Today, being 2 programs less than a full 12 is naturally going to make the Big 12 brand appear weak.
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