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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
(10-12-2016 07:15 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: Here is what we know:
1. The B12 is holding a press conference for Monday to issue a statement.
2. McMurphy is hearing no chatter on expansion.
If expansion was imminent than McMurphy would be talking about X,Y,Z school preparing for a press conference.
It's possible they say they have decided to expand by #'s schools and they will make selections at the conclusion of the football season.
The fat lady is about to sing...
It seems unlikely to me that they have scheduled a presser after the meeting to say they are killing expansion, before they have their meeting to discuss it.
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
(10-12-2016 07:17 PM)TripleA Wrote: (10-12-2016 07:15 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: Here is what we know:
1. The B12 is holding a press conference for Monday to issue a statement.
2. McMurphy is hearing no chatter on expansion.
If expansion was imminent than McMurphy would be talking about X,Y,Z school preparing for a press conference.
It's possible they say they have decided to expand by #'s schools and they will make selections at the conclusion of the football season.
The fat lady is about to sing...
It seems unlikely to me that they have scheduled a presser after the meeting to say they are killing expansion, before they have their meeting to discuss it.
Haven't they already been discussing whether or not they want expansion for a few months now?
The decision may have been made a few weeks ago on this and the presser is a mere formality.
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
This is just an announcement to say they're going to make an announcement after the meeting. None of the B12 prez knows what the outcome is going to be, at this point. They could well say that they're tabling it for now. That's what admin do these days, when faced with a difficult decision.
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
I think they kick the can a few years down the road and see how the new Big 12 playoff goes. I really think originally BYU and Cincinnati had very good chances to join. However the PC police showed up and squelched BYU and no other school out there can get 8 votes to join Cincinnati. So no expansion for now.
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
Dallas sportswriter Chuck Carlton has this:
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-...ready-lost
Quote:A press conference has been scheduled following the conference's board of directors meeting, presumably to let everyone know whether the Big 12 will add new members, stand pat at 10 or punt.
Sources confirmed Wednesday that pretty much all the options are on the table, including the possibility of football-only membership with Houston and BYU the most likely members. The sources also confirmed that expansion has gone from likelihood about six weeks ago to maybe a one in three chance.
As it's also been pointed out, the Big 12 may also announce on Monday details about next year's football CCG, including the location of the game.
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
Give me some probabilities here people. What can happen between now and then?
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
(10-12-2016 09:32 PM)RUScarlets Wrote: Give me some probabilities here people. What can happen between now and then?
uh, i think that has been completely covered chief!
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
(10-12-2016 08:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote: This is just an announcement to say they're going to make an announcement after the meeting. None of the B12 prez knows what the outcome is going to be, at this point. They could well say that they're tabling it for now. That's what admin do these days, when faced with a difficult decision.
How would you know that? No attack toward you. Just a serious question. They haven't said a word publicly, of any substance.
But do you really think they have debated expansion since at least June of 2015, when Boren went public, and the 10 of them are walking into an Oct. 17, 2016 meeting with zero idea of what is going to happen?
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
(10-12-2016 09:59 PM)TripleA Wrote: (10-12-2016 08:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote: This is just an announcement to say they're going to make an announcement after the meeting. None of the B12 prez knows what the outcome is going to be, at this point. They could well say that they're tabling it for now. That's what admin do these days, when faced with a difficult decision.
How would you know that? No attack toward you. Just a serious question. They haven't said a word publicly, of any substance.
But do you really think they have debated expansion since at least June of 2015, when Boren went public, and the 10 of them are walking into an Oct. 17, 2016 meeting with zero idea of what is going to happen?
It's the Big12, so yes.......
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
(10-12-2016 09:59 PM)TripleA Wrote: (10-12-2016 08:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote: This is just an announcement to say they're going to make an announcement after the meeting. None of the B12 prez knows what the outcome is going to be, at this point. They could well say that they're tabling it for now. That's what admin do these days, when faced with a difficult decision.
How would you know that? No attack toward you. Just a serious question. They haven't said a word publicly, of any substance.
But do you really think they have debated expansion since at least June of 2015, when Boren went public, and the 10 of them are walking into an Oct. 17, 2016 meeting with zero idea of what is going to happen?
Well Gee has said they haven't all met recently (don't remember exactly how long he said).
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
(10-12-2016 10:10 PM)bullet Wrote: (10-12-2016 09:59 PM)TripleA Wrote: (10-12-2016 08:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote: This is just an announcement to say they're going to make an announcement after the meeting. None of the B12 prez knows what the outcome is going to be, at this point. They could well say that they're tabling it for now. That's what admin do these days, when faced with a difficult decision.
How would you know that? No attack toward you. Just a serious question. They haven't said a word publicly, of any substance.
But do you really think they have debated expansion since at least June of 2015, when Boren went public, and the 10 of them are walking into an Oct. 17, 2016 meeting with zero idea of what is going to happen?
Well Gee has said they haven't all met recently (don't remember exactly how long he said).
Yeah, they haven't met since July. In person. But he didn't mention teleconferences, Skype or phone calls.
The expansion committee started vetting candidates in late 2013. Boren went public in the summer of 2015. The Big 12 presidents have met in person and discussed expansion at least 5 times since then.
I have a sneaky feeling they have a good idea what will happen Monday. I'm not saying they announce teams, but they have to be bringing this to a close soon, one way or the other.
They didn't vote in a CCG and discuss divisions to stay at 10.
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
Still somewhat optimistic. If McMurphy is wrong he'll just say oh they weren't going to but something changed their minds. If he's right he told you so. It's really a no lose proposition to come out with a prediction.
Why are they still getting recommendations that everyone knows about? Why are they scheduling press conferences? Why draw SO much attention intentionally if you are going to punt or stay? They have to know that those choices will be egg on their face with 99% of the public even if they are the right decision. Why not just let it go away as quietly as possible if that decision has been made? I personally think it would be. I think it's still at least a maybe going into the meeting.
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
(10-13-2016 07:59 AM)uccheese Wrote: Still somewhat optimistic. If McMurphy is wrong he'll just say oh they weren't going to but something changed their minds. If he's right he told you so. It's really a no lose proposition to come out with a prediction.
Why are they still getting recommendations that everyone knows about? Why are they scheduling press conferences? Why draw SO much attention intentionally if you are going to punt or stay? They have to know that those choices will be egg on their face with 99% of the public even if they are the right decision. Why not just let it go away as quietly as possible if that decision has been made? I personally think it would be. I think it's still at least a maybe going into the meeting.
McMurphy has already said on Memphis radio that if the Big 12 expands, that he was right when he reported it, and something must have changed. If they expand, they certainly aren't moving from no expansion today to expansion on Monday. That's ridiculous.
Same thing for his reporting that Memphis is out.
And I agree about scheduling the presser. If they were going to kill expansion, they could do that today, without waiting for a meeting or a formal announcement. Just put out a press release.
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
AAA,
Of course I don't know anything. I don't have sources, insiders, or any other connections. It's just my feeling that these presidents are far too busy to have any time to be having teleconferences about this subject. That's not how these guys operate. There is so incredibly much on their plate, from all aspects, they basically live day-to-day dealing with each thing as its respective slot on the daily agenda comes up. That's all they can do, to keep up with it all.
So naturally, they all fly into the board meeting and the time reserved for the board meeting is where everyone catches up and gets on the same page. Then the politicking and arguing starts. At that time, is when input from the respective AD's and head coaches may or may not be referenced, in support of an argument. For example, "well my AD told me that such and such, and so I just can't do it Dave!" Then they either come to some consensus, or they table it.
That's my perception of how these things work, and how I think it will work.
(This post was last modified: 10-13-2016 11:12 AM by MplsBison.)
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
(10-13-2016 08:28 AM)TripleA Wrote: (10-13-2016 07:59 AM)uccheese Wrote: Still somewhat optimistic. If McMurphy is wrong he'll just say oh they weren't going to but something changed their minds. If he's right he told you so. It's really a no lose proposition to come out with a prediction.
Why are they still getting recommendations that everyone knows about? Why are they scheduling press conferences? Why draw SO much attention intentionally if you are going to punt or stay? They have to know that those choices will be egg on their face with 99% of the public even if they are the right decision. Why not just let it go away as quietly as possible if that decision has been made? I personally think it would be. I think it's still at least a maybe going into the meeting.
McMurphy has already said on Memphis radio that if the Big 12 expands, that he was right when he reported it, and something must have changed. If they expand, they certainly aren't moving from no expansion today to expansion on Monday. That's ridiculous.
Same thing for his reporting that Memphis is out.
And I agree about scheduling the presser. If they were going to kill expansion, they could do that today, without waiting for a meeting or a formal announcement. Just put out a press release.
I have to disagree with your last sentence. After the months of public discussion/rumors about potential expansion, you couldn't possibly just end it with a press release.
Any PR person would tell them it would need to be part of a formal announcement in conjunction with some thing(s) you ARE doing (details on championship game?) in order to try and project the public image that careful deliberation was given to all possible conference improvement.
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
Plus, they don't know if they're going to kill expansion yet, anyway. That's my theory. They won't know until they all sit down and come to a conclusion or table it.
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
(10-13-2016 12:41 PM)krup Wrote: (10-13-2016 08:28 AM)TripleA Wrote: (10-13-2016 07:59 AM)uccheese Wrote: Still somewhat optimistic. If McMurphy is wrong he'll just say oh they weren't going to but something changed their minds. If he's right he told you so. It's really a no lose proposition to come out with a prediction.
Why are they still getting recommendations that everyone knows about? Why are they scheduling press conferences? Why draw SO much attention intentionally if you are going to punt or stay? They have to know that those choices will be egg on their face with 99% of the public even if they are the right decision. Why not just let it go away as quietly as possible if that decision has been made? I personally think it would be. I think it's still at least a maybe going into the meeting.
McMurphy has already said on Memphis radio that if the Big 12 expands, that he was right when he reported it, and something must have changed. If they expand, they certainly aren't moving from no expansion today to expansion on Monday. That's ridiculous.
Same thing for his reporting that Memphis is out.
And I agree about scheduling the presser. If they were going to kill expansion, they could do that today, without waiting for a meeting or a formal announcement. Just put out a press release.
I have to disagree with your last sentence. After the months of public discussion/rumors about potential expansion, you couldn't possibly just end it with a press release.
Any PR person would tell them it would need to be part of a formal announcement in conjunction with some thing(s) you ARE doing (details on championship game?) in order to try and project the public image that careful deliberation was given to all possible conference improvement.
You have a point about the last sentence, under "normal" circumstances. But with the Big 12, I wouldn't put anything past them, including simply putting out a press release and not taking questions, lol.
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
(10-13-2016 11:10 AM)MplsBison Wrote: AAA,
Of course I don't know anything. I don't have sources, insiders, or any other connections. It's just my feeling that these presidents are far too busy to have any time to be having teleconferences about this subject. That's not how these guys operate. There is so incredibly much on their plate, from all aspects, they basically live day-to-day dealing with each thing as its respective slot on the daily agenda comes up. That's all they can do, to keep up with it all.
So naturally, they all fly into the board meeting and the time reserved for the board meeting is where everyone catches up and gets on the same page. Then the politicking and arguing starts. At that time, is when input from the respective AD's and head coaches may or may not be referenced, in support of an argument. For example, "well my AD told me that such and such, and so I just can't do it Dave!" Then they either come to some consensus, or they table it.
That's my perception of how these things work, and how I think it will work.
I understand that. I can only go by my own experiences, as well. I know the Big 12 expansion committee has had a LOT of interaction with Memphis since late 2013, and much more so since February of this year. It was only the 3 presidents before February, but has been all 10 at each meeting, since then.
My assumption is that a number of other schools have had similar interaction.
So, that colors my impression that there has been so much back and forth between presidents and candidate schools, that I can't imagine there hasn't been some substantial level of exchange between the ten Big 12 presidents, as well, outside of the formal meetings.
Having followed Memphis through several realignment efforts, including the successful one to the Big East in 2011-12, I know that when they get to meetings, especially if it is the final one (maybe this is, or not), that the presidents come into the meeting with a good idea of what is going to happen.
They won't tell the media that, but at the same time, I just cannot fathom that they all walk in with absolutely no idea what will happen, either.
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
Agree to disagree, then.
I doubt any B12 president would claim to know exactly where all nine other B12 presidents are at, and that he has spoken to all nine of them on this subject by phone or in person within the last month.
Not saying they haven't all been engaging in this discussion since 2013. So not saying they aren't aware of what Memphis, or other schools, bring to the table.
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RE: McMurphy: Big 12 Not Adding Anyone
(10-13-2016 02:58 PM)MplsBison Wrote: Agree to disagree, then.
I doubt any B12 president would claim to know exactly where all nine other B12 presidents are at, and that he has spoken to all nine of them on this subject by phone or in person within the last month.
Not saying they haven't all been engaging in this discussion since 2013. So not saying they aren't aware of what Memphis, or other schools, bring to the table.
I'm not willing to say all 10 have spoken to each other in the last month, but I would be surprised if they didn't all talk to Boren or Bowlsby. I would be even more surprised if they had no idea where they were going.
That's certainly not my understanding of how the process works, although every group can be different, I suppose. Usually they take an informal vote by Skype or other means, and then when they meet face to face, they essentially rubber stamp the previous decision, formally.
I think in this case, they may still have serious discussions left, which could possibly delay the final announcement. But I believe they are getting close, if not already there. JMO.
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