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(10-15-2016 04:35 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah I guess what Tennessee did to Virginia Tech was nothing. **** that. I am so sick and tired of folks blaming ESPN for everything. The fact is going into today we had like 11 undefeated teams. There's nothing but mediocre or bad football teams. So guess what- someone has to be in the top 10.

I think this viewpoint has great merit. And I think what bothers Sheer is that it is very obvious that ESPN begins to hype schools to be featured at future dates early to gain them rankings which in turn generates advertising revenue. They are merely refining the art of gaming the system for profits. If someone they've hyped is no longer doing well, or no longer on their lineup they brush them off like dust on dungarees.

They invented the Heisman race! It's really horrible that the trophy no longer goes to the nations best offensive player. It's been redefined to a star hyped by ESPN from a team that must be in contention. It's a mockery of the original intent.
The top 5 teams could all be in the sec or the big ten or wherever. The whole contrived marketing part of it pisses me off and sheep just eat it up.

Therein lies the purpose of woeful public education, or at least programatically controlled public education. You guarantee an audience that is no longer taught to reason, is too lazy and inept to look up information that is available, and is so programmed to public approval that they wait dutifully to receive their marching orders. It actually reminds me of the Hitler Youth and Mao's Red Guard. Everything they see and hear on TV must be true because their schools used TV to teach them. All articles in what are now corporately owned newspapers and magazines must be true because we used those sources to reaffirm the positions on popular issues our teachers wanted us to spew back to them. Shere the total vapidness of the collective knowledge base of the public has to be at an all time low.

I have never been argued with so often about things I lived through or participated in, by those who read a biased report or saw a biased movie version of events, and are so absolutely convinced that whatever propaganda they saw or read has to be true because it came from a source made credible to them by their high school or college professor. Actual research of an event is too tedious for their 30 second minds that they just parrot back whatever short pithy phrase they have been taught regarding the subject. No amount of proof or research will convince the little jerks of how wrong they are, or how biased their teachers may have been. Goebbels would be proud to be associated with the outcome.

So brother, I know exactly whereof you speak!
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(10-15-2016 04:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah I guess what Tennessee did to Virginia Tech was nothing. **** that. I am so sick and tired of folks blaming ESPN for everything. The fact is going into today we had like 11 undefeated teams. There's nothing but mediocre or bad football teams. So guess what- someone has to be in the top 10.

I think this viewpoint has great merit. And I think what bothers Sheer is that it is very obvious that ESPN begins to hype schools to be featured at future dates early to gain them rankings which in turn generates advertising revenue. They are merely refining the art of gaming the system for profits. If someone they've hyped is no longer doing well, or no longer on their lineup they brush them off like dust on dungarees.

They invented the Heisman race! It's really horrible that the trophy no longer goes to the nations best offensive player. It's been redefined to a star hyped by ESPN from a team that must be in contention. It's a mockery of the original intent.

but the thing is, let's take Miami. What before today has indicated they weren't real in any fashion? They pummeled App St away(the same team that took Tennessee to the max). So what should ESPN do? Not hype Miami? Come on now. that's just insanity. But now they lose today like this. Why should ESPN still hype them then anywhere near as much?
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(10-15-2016 04:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah I guess what Tennessee did to Virginia Tech was nothing. **** that. I am so sick and tired of folks blaming ESPN for everything. The fact is going into today we had like 11 undefeated teams. There's nothing but mediocre or bad football teams. So guess what- someone has to be in the top 10.

I think this viewpoint has great merit. And I think what bothers Sheer is that it is very obvious that ESPN begins to hype schools to be featured at future dates early to gain them rankings which in turn generates advertising revenue. They are merely refining the art of gaming the system for profits. If someone they've hyped is no longer doing well, or no longer on their lineup they brush them off like dust on dungarees.

They invented the Heisman race! It's really horrible that the trophy no longer goes to the nations best offensive player. It's been redefined to a star hyped by ESPN from a team that must be in contention. It's a mockery of the original intent.

but the thing is, let's take Miami. What before today has indicated they weren't real in any fashion? They pummeled App St away(the same team that took Tennessee to the max). So what should ESPN do? Not hype Miami? Come on now. that's just insanity. But now they lose today like this. Why should ESPN still hype them then anywhere near as much?

It is by its nature a reactionary industry. That said, ESPN is particularly selective in their proactive build up before the reactionary real response to events. The reaction lends plausible deniability to the proactive buildup. So they have their cake and eat it too! They make the ad revenue off of the buildup, and salvage their credibility with the reaction. But Stever it's still manipulative.
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(10-15-2016 04:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Flipping the channels, I see New Mexico and Air Force are playing in Dallas right now, and let's just say there are plenty of primo seats still available if anyone nearby wants to head on over there. I assume some promoter paid them to play in Dallas, but why?

There's at least 5 Air Force bases on a 5 hour radius from DFW: Dyess, Shepherd, Barksdsle, Kelly and Goodfellow. Plus it's the State Fair of Texas which is the biggest one in the nation and as you noted, they must've been paid to play the game far from their conference footprint.
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(10-15-2016 04:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah I guess what Tennessee did to Virginia Tech was nothing. **** that. I am so sick and tired of folks blaming ESPN for everything. The fact is going into today we had like 11 undefeated teams. There's nothing but mediocre or bad football teams. So guess what- someone has to be in the top 10.

I think this viewpoint has great merit. And I think what bothers Sheer is that it is very obvious that ESPN begins to hype schools to be featured at future dates early to gain them rankings which in turn generates advertising revenue. They are merely refining the art of gaming the system for profits. If someone they've hyped is no longer doing well, or no longer on their lineup they brush them off like dust on dungarees.

They invented the Heisman race! It's really horrible that the trophy no longer goes to the nations best offensive player. It's been redefined to a star hyped by ESPN from a team that must be in contention. It's a mockery of the original intent.

but the thing is, let's take Miami. What before today has indicated they weren't real in any fashion? They pummeled App St away(the same team that took Tennessee to the max). So what should ESPN do? Not hype Miami? Come on now. that's just insanity. But now they lose today like this. Why should ESPN still hype them then anywhere near as much?

It is by its nature a reactionary industry. That said, ESPN is particularly selective in their proactive build up before the reactionary real response to events. The reaction lends plausible deniability to the proactive buildup. So they have their cake and eat it too! They make the ad revenue off of the buildup, and salvage their credibility with the reaction. But Stever it's still manipulative.

But what the hell is ESPN supposed to do? Not build up Miami(with a new coach and a team who looked pretty impressive so far- not to mention an old traditional power)?
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(10-15-2016 05:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah I guess what Tennessee did to Virginia Tech was nothing. **** that. I am so sick and tired of folks blaming ESPN for everything. The fact is going into today we had like 11 undefeated teams. There's nothing but mediocre or bad football teams. So guess what- someone has to be in the top 10.

I think this viewpoint has great merit. And I think what bothers Sheer is that it is very obvious that ESPN begins to hype schools to be featured at future dates early to gain them rankings which in turn generates advertising revenue. They are merely refining the art of gaming the system for profits. If someone they've hyped is no longer doing well, or no longer on their lineup they brush them off like dust on dungarees.

They invented the Heisman race! It's really horrible that the trophy no longer goes to the nations best offensive player. It's been redefined to a star hyped by ESPN from a team that must be in contention. It's a mockery of the original intent.

but the thing is, let's take Miami. What before today has indicated they weren't real in any fashion? They pummeled App St away(the same team that took Tennessee to the max). So what should ESPN do? Not hype Miami? Come on now. that's just insanity. But now they lose today like this. Why should ESPN still hype them then anywhere near as much?

It is by its nature a reactionary industry. That said, ESPN is particularly selective in their proactive build up before the reactionary real response to events. The reaction lends plausible deniability to the proactive buildup. So they have their cake and eat it too! They make the ad revenue off of the buildup, and salvage their credibility with the reaction. But Stever it's still manipulative.

But what the hell is ESPN supposed to do? Not build up Miami(with a new coach and a team who looked pretty impressive so far- not to mention an old traditional power)?

They should report the news and events instead of trying to shape them to their advantage. It's entities like ESPN that drive the desire for polls in the first five weeks of the season so they can set the table and spin their match ups. The whole system would be fairer for everyone if we waited until after week 6 to have our first polls. Schools that start in the top 5 and end in the top 10 with 2 losses might fall a lot farther and be evaluated more fairly if not always remembered as the preseason #2 or 3. Schools that start out of the top 20 could emerge much higher if the mistakes didn't have to lose their way out. It is all about profiting from the hype.
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So if you know better, then don't watch that game.

I'm dumbfounded at the "problem". ESPN has a to pick games to air on its networks. You're blaming them for then promoting those games .... ??????????????????

Not much to say, to that.
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(10-15-2016 05:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 05:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I think this viewpoint has great merit. And I think what bothers Sheer is that it is very obvious that ESPN begins to hype schools to be featured at future dates early to gain them rankings which in turn generates advertising revenue. They are merely refining the art of gaming the system for profits. If someone they've hyped is no longer doing well, or no longer on their lineup they brush them off like dust on dungarees.

They invented the Heisman race! It's really horrible that the trophy no longer goes to the nations best offensive player. It's been redefined to a star hyped by ESPN from a team that must be in contention. It's a mockery of the original intent.

but the thing is, let's take Miami. What before today has indicated they weren't real in any fashion? They pummeled App St away(the same team that took Tennessee to the max). So what should ESPN do? Not hype Miami? Come on now. that's just insanity. But now they lose today like this. Why should ESPN still hype them then anywhere near as much?

It is by its nature a reactionary industry. That said, ESPN is particularly selective in their proactive build up before the reactionary real response to events. The reaction lends plausible deniability to the proactive buildup. So they have their cake and eat it too! They make the ad revenue off of the buildup, and salvage their credibility with the reaction. But Stever it's still manipulative.

But what the hell is ESPN supposed to do? Not build up Miami(with a new coach and a team who looked pretty impressive so far- not to mention an old traditional power)?

They should report the news and events instead of trying to shape them to their advantage. It's entities like ESPN that drive the desire for polls in the first five weeks of the season so they can set the table and spin their match ups. The whole system would be fairer for everyone if we waited until after week 6 to have our first polls. Schools that start in the top 5 and end in the top 10 with 2 losses might fall a lot farther and be evaluated more fairly if not always remembered as the preseason #2 or 3. Schools that start out of the top 20 could emerge much higher if the mistakes didn't have to lose their way out. It is all about profiting from the hype.

The thing is, if you finish with 2 losses in a p5 conference, you are going to finish in the top 10 pretty much no matter what- unless there's more than 10.
2014- there were only 8 teams in p5 conference with 2 or fewer losses.
2015- there were 12 teams in p5 conferences with 2 or fewer losses. the ones outside the final top 10 were TCU(at 11) and Oklahoma St(16). Looking- preseason- TCU was #2. North Carolina was #10 and looking, they got all of 2 votes in the preseason coaches poll and none in AP. So what you are saying is pretty much wrong...

Also, even if the polls had started week 6, that would have been before last week. So guess what, last weeks game with Miami- Miami would have been as high, if not higher.
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(10-15-2016 05:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 05:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I think this viewpoint has great merit. And I think what bothers Sheer is that it is very obvious that ESPN begins to hype schools to be featured at future dates early to gain them rankings which in turn generates advertising revenue. They are merely refining the art of gaming the system for profits. If someone they've hyped is no longer doing well, or no longer on their lineup they brush them off like dust on dungarees.

They invented the Heisman race! It's really horrible that the trophy no longer goes to the nations best offensive player. It's been redefined to a star hyped by ESPN from a team that must be in contention. It's a mockery of the original intent.

but the thing is, let's take Miami. What before today has indicated they weren't real in any fashion? They pummeled App St away(the same team that took Tennessee to the max). So what should ESPN do? Not hype Miami? Come on now. that's just insanity. But now they lose today like this. Why should ESPN still hype them then anywhere near as much?

It is by its nature a reactionary industry. That said, ESPN is particularly selective in their proactive build up before the reactionary real response to events. The reaction lends plausible deniability to the proactive buildup. So they have their cake and eat it too! They make the ad revenue off of the buildup, and salvage their credibility with the reaction. But Stever it's still manipulative.

But what the hell is ESPN supposed to do? Not build up Miami(with a new coach and a team who looked pretty impressive so far- not to mention an old traditional power)?

They should report the news and events instead of trying to shape them to their advantage. It's entities like ESPN that drive the desire for polls in the first five weeks of the season so they can set the table and spin their match ups. The whole system would be fairer for everyone if we waited until after week 6 to have our first polls. Schools that start in the top 5 and end in the top 10 with 2 losses might fall a lot farther and be evaluated more fairly if not always remembered as the preseason #2 or 3. Schools that start out of the top 20 could emerge much higher if the mistakes didn't have to lose their way out. It is all about profiting from the hype.

It's not just ESPN, though, it's everyone in sports media cranking out content and looking for someone to hype immediately. An article went up on Fox's website a few minutes ago with the headline, "West Virginia is the playoff sleeper the entire country is overlooking."
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and I'd say on the other side of things- look at Colorado. They were ranked last week in week 6- after coming from no where preseason. Even with a loss(albeit to Michigan).
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(10-15-2016 04:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:35 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah I guess what Tennessee did to Virginia Tech was nothing. **** that. I am so sick and tired of folks blaming ESPN for everything. The fact is going into today we had like 11 undefeated teams. There's nothing but mediocre or bad football teams. So guess what- someone has to be in the top 10.

I think this viewpoint has great merit. And I think what bothers Sheer is that it is very obvious that ESPN begins to hype schools to be featured at future dates early to gain them rankings which in turn generates advertising revenue. They are merely refining the art of gaming the system for profits. If someone they've hyped is no longer doing well, or no longer on their lineup they brush them off like dust on dungarees.

They invented the Heisman race! It's really horrible that the trophy no longer goes to the nations best offensive player. It's been redefined to a star hyped by ESPN from a team that must be in contention. It's a mockery of the original intent.
The top 5 teams could all be in the sec or the big ten or wherever. The whole contrived marketing part of it pisses me off and sheep just eat it up.

Therein lies the purpose of woeful public education, or at least programatically controlled public education. You guarantee an audience that is no longer taught to reason, is too lazy and inept to look up information that is available, and is so programmed to public approval that they wait dutifully to receive their marching orders. It actually reminds me of the Hitler Youth and Mao's Red Guard. Everything they see and hear on TV must be true because their schools used TV to teach them. All articles in what are now corporately owned newspapers and magazines must be true because we used those sources to reaffirm the positions on popular issues our teachers wanted us to spew back to them. Shere the total vapidness of the collective knowledge base of the public has to be at an all time low.

I have never been argued with so often about things I lived through or participated in, by those who read a biased report or saw a biased movie version of events, and are so absolutely convinced that whatever propaganda they saw or read has to be true because it came from a source made credible to them by their high school or college professor. Actual research of an event is too tedious for their 30 second minds that they just parrot back whatever short pithy phrase they have been taught regarding the subject. No amount of proof or research will convince the little jerks of how wrong they are, or how biased their teachers may have been. Goebbels would be proud to be associated with the outcome.

So brother, I know exactly whereof you speak!
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Somehow number 9 Tennessee that barely beat app state is now losing 42-10 to Bama. Shocking, right?

Critical thinking is all but dead in our culture.
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Then show us how SK.

Would love to see you actually lay a couple of your own cards on the table, rather than pop in just to make a quip at others.
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(10-15-2016 05:30 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:35 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-15-2016 04:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah I guess what Tennessee did to Virginia Tech was nothing. **** that. I am so sick and tired of folks blaming ESPN for everything. The fact is going into today we had like 11 undefeated teams. There's nothing but mediocre or bad football teams. So guess what- someone has to be in the top 10.

I think this viewpoint has great merit. And I think what bothers Sheer is that it is very obvious that ESPN begins to hype schools to be featured at future dates early to gain them rankings which in turn generates advertising revenue. They are merely refining the art of gaming the system for profits. If someone they've hyped is no longer doing well, or no longer on their lineup they brush them off like dust on dungarees.

They invented the Heisman race! It's really horrible that the trophy no longer goes to the nations best offensive player. It's been redefined to a star hyped by ESPN from a team that must be in contention. It's a mockery of the original intent.
The top 5 teams could all be in the sec or the big ten or wherever. The whole contrived marketing part of it pisses me off and sheep just eat it up.

Therein lies the purpose of woeful public education, or at least programatically controlled public education. You guarantee an audience that is no longer taught to reason, is too lazy and inept to look up information that is available, and is so programmed to public approval that they wait dutifully to receive their marching orders. It actually reminds me of the Hitler Youth and Mao's Red Guard. Everything they see and hear on TV must be true because their schools used TV to teach them. All articles in what are now corporately owned newspapers and magazines must be true because we used those sources to reaffirm the positions on popular issues our teachers wanted us to spew back to them. Shere the total vapidness of the collective knowledge base of the public has to be at an all time low.

I have never been argued with so often about things I lived through or participated in, by those who read a biased report or saw a biased movie version of events, and are so absolutely convinced that whatever propaganda they saw or read has to be true because it came from a source made credible to them by their high school or college professor. Actual research of an event is too tedious for their 30 second minds that they just parrot back whatever short pithy phrase they have been taught regarding the subject. No amount of proof or research will convince the little jerks of how wrong they are, or how biased their teachers may have been. Goebbels would be proud to be associated with the outcome.

So brother, I know exactly whereof you speak!
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Somehow number 9 Tennessee that barely beat app state is now losing 42-10 to Bama. Shocking, right?

Critical thinking is all but dead in our culture.

Here's a thought. Alabama may be I don't know- pretty good. Pretty moronic to use as an excuse a team getting blown out by Alabama.

answer 1 question. Who the hell should be top 10?
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(10-15-2016 05:38 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Then show us how SK.

Would love to see you actually lay a couple of your own cards on the table, rather than pop in just to make a quip at others.
Read half of Dr. Eliot's five foot shelf and get back to me
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big FCS upset today
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Dang, Northwestern is taking advantage of the Spartans like they were the new fish on the prison block! What's happened at East Lansing?
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Syracuse is going to beat VA Tech
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(10-15-2016 06:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Dang, Northwestern is taking advantage of the Spartans like they were the new fish on the prison block! What's happened at East Lansing?

Wonder if Michigan State has ever given up 54 points at home before today.
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Syracuse 31 Va Tech 17, final
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And the Cuse gives a big Pokie to the Hokie Jokie! 31-17!
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