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RE: Uconn to Big East talk
(10-18-2016 02:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 01:42 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 01:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 11:33 AM)MU88 Wrote:  While UConn may make a few bucks peddling its football program as an independent or in a lesser conference, it certainly doesn't make sense to jump to the BE for an extra $1 million per year, when you have a significant exit fee with the AAC. Plus, I am sure the AAC is hoping that its tv contract will improve during the next negotiation. So, unless FOX throws a ton of cash to provide incentive for UConn to switch conferences, which I doubt, I don't see any reason for UConn to make the switch.

UConn is like a 50 year old socialite whose rich husband divorced her five years ago, and since then she's "maintained appearances", living in a house she can't really afford, buying fancy clothes and jewels she can't really afford, taking trips and throwing parties, etc. all in the hopes that by traveling in the same elite circles she can find another wealthy man to marry before the facade collapses.

But now, the credit cards are almost maxed, she can't dip into her children's annuities anymore, and worst of all, the alimony from the first marriage is set to terminate next year.

And now she finds out the older rich guy she's had her eye on and has been cultivating for the past two years just decided to stay single. 07-coffee3

The problem with your analogy is that UConn isn't looking for a rich man to sponge off of. UConn has always earned its keep. Its men's basketball program is one of the top 10 most successful ever and its women's basketball program has no peer. Football was solid prior to 2010 and is gaining respectability again now.

There are three reasons that UConn isn't in the ACC:
1) The stupid lawsuit from former Connecticut AG Richard Blumenthal still has BC furious enough to try and blackball us at every turn
2) Former AD Jeff Hathaway made the worst coaching hire ever in Paul Pasqualoni at precisely the wrong time (effectively tanking the football program for a half decade)
3) Northeastern schools like BC and Syracuse are trying to keep UConn down in an attempt to get a recruiting advantage in basketball and football. Without that recruiting advantage, they know that UConn would likely consistently outperform them.

Truth.

I will give you #1 and #2, but not the last one.

Do you really believe that BC and Syracuse have that much power over the rest of the ACC?

If so, explain the how and why, the source of this magical power.

The ACC took Louisville over UConn mainly for football reasons. Louisville has strong basketball and baseball programs like UConn, but outclasses the latter in football (the sport that really matters in CR).

Looking at how well Louisville and Lamar Jackson are doing, it does not appear to be a bad choice.

Only #2 has any merit...because bad football doesn't help but but it is a weak argument because everyone knows success is cyclical. Some programs have higher average ceilings, and geography certainly plays into that. New England isn't a natural hotbed of football prep talent.

There was no more active player in the Big East/ACC lawsuit than Pitt which was essentially leading the remnant of the football conference in 2003 and whose chancellor, a long time law professor, helped to construct the lawsuit. The reason it was filed in Connecticut is because the state, at least it argued, built the Rent on the assumption UConn would be in a BCS conference as well as the fact that UConn had played free games at Miami, VT, and BC as part of what was essentially an entrance fee to the Big East football conference. So getting the AG of Connecticut involved added major heft to the claims of damage and, in the end, helped force a settlement.

UConn hasn't made the realignment cut because it doesn't have the football pedigree nor does its football program have enough national or regional interest to move the media market needle for football...at least compared to schools all around it. Yes, even when compared to a schools like Rutgers and BC. The conferences have plenty of information on this stuff.

BC doesn't want UConn in, but it is absolutely ridiculous to think it can keep them out by themselves. FSU, Clemson, GT...they don't want UConn in either because they weaken the football side...whether that is in reality or perception, it does not matter. BC is just one part of that pro-football/anti-UConn block.

UConn's best shot is probably for ND to decide to join the ACC in football and ask for UConn to be their entrance partner. That is a very unlikely scenario.

The other chance is that the Big Ten's (really the B10 Network's) play for the NYC media market is so disastrous (as compared to the ACC) that they view UConn as a way to shore that up. That doesn't seem likely either as RU provides plenty of access to NYC and it and the ACC are sort of at an innocuous stalemate there (there is room for both in NY), especially when significantly better football alternatives for expansion (like UT and OU) appear to potentially be on the horizon.

Yes, none of that is fair for UConn, but unfortunately they got into the major college football game about 100 years too late.
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RE: Uconn to Big East talk
(10-18-2016 03:42 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 02:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 01:42 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 01:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 11:33 AM)MU88 Wrote:  While UConn may make a few bucks peddling its football program as an independent or in a lesser conference, it certainly doesn't make sense to jump to the BE for an extra $1 million per year, when you have a significant exit fee with the AAC. Plus, I am sure the AAC is hoping that its tv contract will improve during the next negotiation. So, unless FOX throws a ton of cash to provide incentive for UConn to switch conferences, which I doubt, I don't see any reason for UConn to make the switch.

UConn is like a 50 year old socialite whose rich husband divorced her five years ago, and since then she's "maintained appearances", living in a house she can't really afford, buying fancy clothes and jewels she can't really afford, taking trips and throwing parties, etc. all in the hopes that by traveling in the same elite circles she can find another wealthy man to marry before the facade collapses.

But now, the credit cards are almost maxed, she can't dip into her children's annuities anymore, and worst of all, the alimony from the first marriage is set to terminate next year.

And now she finds out the older rich guy she's had her eye on and has been cultivating for the past two years just decided to stay single. 07-coffee3

The problem with your analogy is that UConn isn't looking for a rich man to sponge off of. UConn has always earned its keep. Its men's basketball program is one of the top 10 most successful ever and its women's basketball program has no peer. Football was solid prior to 2010 and is gaining respectability again now.

There are three reasons that UConn isn't in the ACC:
1) The stupid lawsuit from former Connecticut AG Richard Blumenthal still has BC furious enough to try and blackball us at every turn
2) Former AD Jeff Hathaway made the worst coaching hire ever in Paul Pasqualoni at precisely the wrong time (effectively tanking the football program for a half decade)
3) Northeastern schools like BC and Syracuse are trying to keep UConn down in an attempt to get a recruiting advantage in basketball and football. Without that recruiting advantage, they know that UConn would likely consistently outperform them.

Truth.

I will give you #1 and #2, but not the last one.

Do you really believe that BC and Syracuse have that much power over the rest of the ACC?

If so, explain the how and why, the source of this magical power.

The ACC took Louisville over UConn mainly for football reasons. Louisville has strong basketball and baseball programs like UConn, but outclasses the latter in football (the sport that really matters in CR).

Looking at how well Louisville and Lamar Jackson are doing, it does not appear to be a bad choice.

Only #2 has any merit...because bad football doesn't help but but it is a weak argument because everyone knows success is cyclical. Some programs have higher average ceilings, and geography certainly plays into that. New England isn't a natural hotbed of football prep talent.

There was no more active player in the Big East/ACC lawsuit than Pitt which was essentially leading the remnant of the football conference in 2003 and whose chancellor, a long time law professor, helped to construct the lawsuit. The reason it was filed in Connecticut is because the state, at least it argued, built the Rent on the assumption UConn would be in a BCS conference as well as the fact that UConn had played free games at Miami, VT, and BC as part of what was essentially an entrance fee to the Big East football conference. So getting the AG of Connecticut involved added major heft to the claims of damage and, in the end, helped force a settlement.

UConn hasn't made the realignment cut because it doesn't have the football pedigree nor does its football program have enough national or regional interest to move the media market needle for football...at least compared to schools all around it. Yes, even when compared to a schools like Rutgers and BC. The conferences have plenty of information on this stuff.

BC doesn't want UConn in, but it is absolutely ridiculous to think it can keep them out by themselves. FSU, Clemson, GT...they don't want UConn in either because they weaken the football side...whether that is in reality or perception, it does not matter. BC is just one part of that pro-football/anti-UConn block.

UConn's best shot is probably for ND to decide to join the ACC in football and ask for UConn to be their entrance partner. That is a very unlikely scenario.

The other chance is that the Big Ten's (really the B10 Network's) play for the NYC media market is so disastrous (as compared to the ACC) that they view UConn as a way to shore that up. That doesn't seem likely either as RU provides plenty of access to NYC and it and the ACC are sort of at an innocuous stalemate there (there is room for both in NY), especially when significantly better football alternatives for expansion (like UT and OU) appear to potentially be on the horizon.

Yes, none of that is fair for UConn, but unfortunately they got into the major college football game about 100 years too late.

I actually agree with you. UConn has mostly itself and the state of CT to blame. If we had been playing at the FBS/DI-A level since its inception, or even since its addition to the old Big East, I think we'd be in a P5 right now given our market and basketball brand.
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