We could add Uconn and NDSU and keep the MAC but change the name to Most of America Conference!

a quick reminder of the grand history of UConn Football-

didn't join FBS until 2000.

91-103(.469)

6 winning seasons.

bowl record 3-3.

football only? how about everything but football.

(10-11-2016 06:06 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  It won't happen.

How about invite UMass and UConn as full-members tho?

Or is the fear they'd just bolt for a 'better' conference even as full members?

I doubt either would accept, but...

OR (don't throw stones, please) how about Army and UConn FB only?

I have NO idea how the MAC office would feel about adding two eastern schools for FB and what they bring.

I will concede a point made many times, that adding teams essentially means 'more mouths to feed' (from TV money) unless ESPN saw value to adding those schools.

P.S. What's wrong with UConn FB? http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/41

Ditto Army FB? http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/349

adding UConn and Army wouldn't really add any recruiting footprint or big tv markets. however, both are fairly well known programs. it would mean cross divisional rivalries would get watered down a bit, but I imagine BG would shift to the West and still play Toledo. UConn went to 4 straight bowls from 2007-2010 including a win over South Carolina and a loss to Oklahoma in the Fiesta bowl so there's some history of real success there even if they have been mediocre in recent years.

Reading some other boards about UConn going to the Big East, the Huskies' fans are thinking they are too good for the MAC (even the football team). We don't need that in our conference. Future additions, if there are any, should be full members who see us as a destination, not a step down or temporary fix.

Please no army. Even by MAC standards they have been pretty bad for quite some time. It will also be challenging for them to turn their program around as any recruit also has to commit to military service.

(10-12-2016 06:20 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Please no army. Even by MAC standards they have been pretty bad for quite some time. It will also be challenging for them to turn their program around as any recruit also has to commit to military service.

I think Army is coming back, but like EMU we'll see what the future brings...

Two facts:
(1) UConn currently gets significantly more money with the AAC than they would get from the MAC
(2) They suck at football

Given they already suck and have more resources, how would they fair competitively if their resource level gets DROPPED? No way should we take them.

UConn does not SUCK at football. They were .500 and beat a very good Houston team. They have been on par with good UB teams, and the average CMU and BSU teams that win 5-8 games per season. They crushed Toledo in the MCB in 2003 or 2004? My family left at half to beat the snow storm. They brought about 8,000 fans who sat right next to eachother. They kind of are a better known school with good academics. I wouldn't want to be in the MAC either. Especially with a womens and mens basketball program with their level of success.

(10-12-2016 10:04 AM)IULurker Wrote:  Two facts:
(1) UConn currently gets significantly more money with the AAC than they would get from the MAC
(2) They suck at football

Given they already suck and have more resources, how would they fair competitively if their resource level gets DROPPED? No way should we take them.

???

AAC - $2 Million

vs

Big East $5 Million PLUS $750,000 MAC = $5.75 Million.

???

I'd imagine UConn wouldn't get a full share of MAC TV dollars. Not that it matters much as they would still be coming out well ahead.

(10-12-2016 04:19 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I'd imagine UConn wouldn't get a full share of MAC TV dollars. Not that it matters much as they would still be coming out well ahead.

That would make sense as theoretically the MAC TV dollars are for FB, MBB, WBB, etc.

BTW, after being in a slump UConn has been decent the last two years (2015, 16).

(10-12-2016 03:29 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-12-2016 10:04 AM)IULurker Wrote:  Two facts:
(1) UConn currently gets significantly more money with the AAC than they would get from the MAC
(2) They suck at football

Given they already suck and have more resources, how would they fair competitively if their resource level gets DROPPED? No way should we take them.

???

AAC - $2 Million

vs

Big East $5 Million PLUS $750,000 MAC = $5.75 Million.

???

UConn I believe would get a full share of MAC TV money since the money is almost all derived from FB value.

Throw out a scenario....

1) B12 becomes B12 again with Houston and Cincinnati
2) UConn and Temple want more NE members in AAC but don't have the votes.
3) AAC TV projections for 2018 come in flat without UH/UC
4) UConn decides its time for the BE and Temple back to the A10.
5) MAC offers UConn/Temple FB only with BB scheduling agreement.
6) With NYC and Philly markets MAC takes over AAC TV deal.

I could see a Temple/UConn FB only move benefiting the MAC, allowing the MAC to take over the AAC's TV deal or at least renegotiate money upward.

Temple and UConn are good relative to what the MAC has in the east and would compete for an east title right away.

I really don't want Temple/UConn for oly sports because those just increased travel. The only value is in FB and BB games.

(10-12-2016 02:00 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  UConn does not SUCK at football. They were .500 and beat a very good Houston team. They have been on par with good UB teams, and the average CMU and BSU teams that win 5-8 games per season. They crushed Toledo in the MCB in 2003 or 2004? My family left at half to beat the snow storm. They brought about 8,000 fans who sat right next to eachother. They kind of are a better known school with good academics. I wouldn't want to be in the MAC either. Especially with a womens and mens basketball program with their level of success.

Compared to the MAC East UConn looks pretty good.

This week's rankings:

66. Akron
70. Temple
80. Ohio
81. Connecticut
106. Kent State
125. Miami
126. Buffalo

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

(10-12-2016 05:22 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-12-2016 02:00 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  UConn does not SUCK at football. They were .500 and beat a very good Houston team. They have been on par with good UB teams, and the average CMU and BSU teams that win 5-8 games per season. They crushed Toledo in the MCB in 2003 or 2004? My family left at half to beat the snow storm. They brought about 8,000 fans who sat right next to eachother. They kind of are a better known school with good academics. I wouldn't want to be in the MAC either. Especially with a womens and mens basketball program with their level of success.

Compared to the MAC East UConn looks pretty good.

This week's rankings:

66. Akron
70. Temple
80. Ohio
81. Connecticut
106. Kent State
125. Miami
126. Buffalo

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

Please, please, PLEEEEEAAAASE don't forget number 115 BGSU Falcons.

Meh, pass, don't care at all for UConn.

(10-12-2016 03:29 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-12-2016 10:04 AM)IULurker Wrote:  Two facts:
(1) UConn currently gets significantly more money with the AAC than they would get from the MAC
(2) They suck at football

Given they already suck and have more resources, how would they fair competitively if their resource level gets DROPPED? No way should we take them.

???

AAC - $2 Million

vs

Big East $5 Million PLUS $750,000 MAC = $5.75 Million.

???

I am safely assuming that UConn wouldn't divert money from basketball to makeup the loss of revenue in football. Using your numbers that means football loses 1.25 million of coaches salaries,recruiting, etc. which is going to hurt the program.

(10-12-2016 02:00 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  UConn does not SUCK at football. They were .500 and beat a very good Houston team. They have been on par with good UB teams, and the average CMU and BSU teams that win 5-8 games per season. They crushed Toledo in the MCB in 2003 or 2004? My family left at half to beat the snow storm. They brought about 8,000 fans who sat right next to eachother. They kind of are a better known school with good academics. I wouldn't want to be in the MAC either. Especially with a womens and mens basketball program with their level of success.

UConn does suck. They are a below average football program who over its existance as a 1A program has an overall losing conference record against the Big East and ACC teams it is peers with. As KH just mentioned they would be an average MAC east program, which we can all agree is the definition of sucktitude.

(10-12-2016 05:12 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  UConn I believe would get a full share of MAC TV money since the money is almost all derived from FB value.

Throw out a scenario....

1) B12 becomes B12 again with Houston and Cincinnati
2) UConn and Temple want more NE members in AAC but don't have the votes.
3) AAC TV projections for 2018 come in flat without UH/UC
4) UConn decides its time for the BE and Temple back to the A10.
5) MAC offers UConn/Temple FB only with BB scheduling agreement.
6) With NYC and Philly markets MAC takes over AAC TV deal.

I could see a Temple/UConn FB only move benefiting the MAC, allowing the MAC to take over the AAC's TV deal or at least renegotiate money upward.

Temple and UConn are good relative to what the MAC has in the east and would compete for an east title right away.

I really don't want Temple/UConn for oly sports because those just increased travel. The only value is in FB and BB games.

Temple ain't paying $10 million in exit fees to the AAC to go back to the A10/MAC combo, which they paid a combined $7.6 million to leave for the Big East. That'd be $18 million to run in a circle. Add (re-)entry fees to the A10 and MAC, and that's basically $20 million flushed down the toilet. That'd be a fiasco for them.

UConn I could maybe see making such a move despite the financial hit in a fit of BYU-esque pride. But I think they'd try Independence in football first. Like BYU, they can try to claim that independence is more prestigious than staying in the MWC or AAC. It's still a lot to pay for slightly better than what UMass has though. At least UMass didn't pay anything for this. $0 to leave the MAC, and $0 to leave the CAA before that. Only the $500k entry fee to the MAC was wasted.

I briefly allowed myself to fantasize about UMass, Army, UConn and Temple throwing together a sort of pseudo-conference as independents and partnering up on television and bowl tie-in negotiations, but once I saw the size of the AAC exit fee I realized it wasn't even worth a throw-crap-against-the-wall post on the Realignment board. Too bad, I honestly might even prefer that arrangement to full AAC membership.

(10-13-2016 06:58 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(10-12-2016 05:12 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  UConn I believe would get a full share of MAC TV money since the money is almost all derived from FB value.

Throw out a scenario....

1) B12 becomes B12 again with Houston and Cincinnati
2) UConn and Temple want more NE members in AAC but don't have the votes.
3) AAC TV projections for 2018 come in flat without UH/UC
4) UConn decides its time for the BE and Temple back to the A10.
5) MAC offers UConn/Temple FB only with BB scheduling agreement.
6) With NYC and Philly markets MAC takes over AAC TV deal.

I could see a Temple/UConn FB only move benefiting the MAC, allowing the MAC to take over the AAC's TV deal or at least renegotiate money upward.

Temple and UConn are good relative to what the MAC has in the east and would compete for an east title right away.

I really don't want Temple/UConn for oly sports because those just increased travel. The only value is in FB and BB games.

Temple ain't paying $10 million in exit fees to the AAC to go back to the A10/MAC combo, which they paid a combined $7.6 million to leave for the Big East. That'd be $18 million to run in a circle. Add (re-)entry fees to the A10 and MAC, and that's basically $20 million flushed down the toilet. That'd be a fiasco for them.

UConn I could maybe see making such a move despite the financial hit in a fit of BYU-esque pride. But I think they'd try Independence in football first. Like BYU, they can try to claim that independence is more prestigious than staying in the MWC or AAC. It's still a lot to pay for slightly better than what UMass has though. At least UMass didn't pay anything for this. $0 to leave the MAC, and $0 to leave the CAA before that. Only the $500k entry fee to the MAC was wasted.

I briefly allowed myself to fantasize about UMass, Army, UConn and Temple throwing together a sort of pseudo-conference as independents and partnering up on television and bowl tie-in negotiations, but once I saw the size of the AAC exit fee I realized it wasn't even worth a throw-crap-against-the-wall post on the Realignment board. Too bad, I honestly might even prefer that arrangement to full AAC membership.

It does sound better than the AAC which is going to suck with a few defections.

The other thing I can say is what if the MAC offered to provide UConn a partial scheduling agreement? I believe they had one with UConn back in the early 2000's when they were about to move up.