I'm relatively new to this board, so I don't know if people didn't hear what Coach Smith actually said about Memphis high school players, heard it and accidentally misinterpreted it, or heard it and are choosing to present it in a way that puts it in the most negative light possible. I heard his interview live and listened again to the podcast, and nothing about his comments indicated that he thinks he can't (or won't) get Memphis kids to come to Memphis.

(10-11-2016 02:53 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Tubby is a coach. We gave a nice guy a chance to learn on the job.
It didn't work.

OK but ONLY if you hold Orlando to the exact same level of expectations as you did Pastner.

Orlando must produce at the same level as Cal's last four years or you and a lot of other need to sit back and shut up when he is called out for not producing.

Can't have it both ways. Cannot demand one coach must produce at a certain level then give the next guy a pass.

The main thing i constantly get the most frustrated with in here is the level of hypocrisy of so many.

(10-11-2016 03:05 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:54 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:00 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 01:54 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  It may take awhile to get Memphis kids to want to come to Memphis. The brand has been tarnished over the last several years. Look at all the transfers. Many of the players that didn't transfer talked publicly about it. We haven't made a sweet sixteen since Cal left. Many of these guys were young kids when we were competing at a very high level. They've been told by their handlers to look elsewhere.

Can't expect Tubby to right the ship overnight. He's already got a great 2017 class. I don't care if we get one Memphis kid, I just want good players.

There are some real miserables here. We got rid of Pastner at a huge discount and hired a hall of fame coach. I have no doubt he'll turn Memphis around. Not this year, but I think we'll make the tourney the year after. Tell me you think we'd have a chance for the NCAA with Pastner still here...

Name the 5 star recruits who LEFT Memphis since 1980. Keep in mind Cal probably could have got virtually all of them in his tenure but he could pick and choose.

He does not by any measurement have a great 2017 class. Team rankings are skewed because the schools that are recruiting well are waiting to sign their guys. KY has not signed a single recruit. We are projected according to a poster to end up in the 60ish range.

You're a miserable, face it!

Tell me about Pastner's recruiting the last couple of years? Where were all the Memphis guys? Yeah, he signed the Lawsons, but wouldn't have if he didn't give their father a job. How many stayed?

Tubby's got three solid players signed and there is still a lot of time left for 2017. He can also coach. Unlike many of you, I don't care about how many stars a dude has. Can he fit into the system and can we win with them?

Not even sure what the hell you want? I want a winning, competitive basketball team. I don't care if they score 6 points less or 20 less than last year. We've had back to back awful seasons where we couldn't even make the NIT. Tubby isn't a 10 year guy, but will hopefully put us on track to being a winning program. It should be a highly sought after position...

Again:
Name the 5 star recruits who LEFT Memphis since 1980. Keep in mind Cal probably could have got virtually all of them in his tenure but he could pick and choose.

How many 2-3 star recruits on KY, KS and NC's teams? Not like FB. Most (not all) produce.

I want a Top 15-20 program which ESPN rated us over 1962-2012 (18th or 19th I think) that plays their ass off and wins big. Could care less if they run an offense set every trip or every 3 trips for that matter. Most great athlethic teams do not. They get the rebound, make the outlet pass and try to beat the D down the floor-looking for open transition 3 or a layup by having numbers. If they can't, I prefer a high/low pro style offense.

But if we win BIG, I don't care either.

FYI, we aren't Kentucky, Kansas, or NC. I know some of you think we are, but we just aren't. We are a top 20 program that hasn't done anything nationally since Cal left.

The local handlers have moved past Memphis. The kids hardly remember the last time we had a really good team and a serious tourney run. They remember Memphis kids leaving the program. They hear stories from those that stayed.

Pastner lost the ability to sign Memphis kids. This isn't going to be corrected over night. Tubby's a proven winner. I think he'll do very well here...

This post is just too stupid to respond to.

(10-11-2016 03:46 PM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  I'm relatively new to this board, so I don't know if people didn't hear what Coach Smith actually said about Memphis high school players, heard it and accidentally misinterpreted it, or heard it and are choosing to present it in a way that puts it in the most negative light possible. I heard his interview live and listened again to the podcast, and nothing about his comments indicated that he thinks he can't (or won't) get Memphis kids to come to Memphis.

If he felt he could get them then why even bring it up? The ONLY reason to bring it up is to lay groundwork for an excuse later if he does not get them.

(10-11-2016 03:57 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 03:46 PM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  I'm relatively new to this board, so I don't know if people didn't hear what Coach Smith actually said about Memphis high school players, heard it and accidentally misinterpreted it, or heard it and are choosing to present it in a way that puts it in the most negative light possible. I heard his interview live and listened again to the podcast, and nothing about his comments indicated that he thinks he can't (or won't) get Memphis kids to come to Memphis.

If he felt he could get them then why even bring it up? The ONLY reason to bring it up is to lay groundwork for an excuse later if he does not get them.

Did you even listen to the interview? He didn't bring it up. He was responding to a question.

You know, never mind, I'm not getting dragged into the quagmire. You all have a great day.

(10-11-2016 03:54 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:53 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Tubby is a coach. We gave a nice guy a chance to learn on the job.
It didn't work.

OK but ONLY if you hold Orlando to the exact same level of expectations as you did Pastner.

Orlando must produce at the same level as Cal's last four years or you and a lot of other need to sit back and shut up when he is called out for not producing.

Can't have it both ways. Cannot demand one coach must produce at a certain level then give the next guy a pass.

The main thing i constantly get the most frustrated with in here is the level of hypocrisy of so many.

Sigh. Not this again. Regardless of what you think, NO ONE was holding JP to that level of expectation. The expectations for the majority of fans was to not get your doors blown off EVERY time you stepped on the court with a ranked opponent and to at least look like you had a chance to advance to the second weekend of the tournament when you had a lineup littered with 4-5* recruits.

(10-11-2016 03:54 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:53 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Tubby is a coach. We gave a nice guy a chance to learn on the job.
It didn't work.

OK but ONLY if you hold Orlando to the exact same level of expectations as you did Pastner.

Orlando must produce at the same level as Cal's last four years or you and a lot of other need to sit back and shut up when he is called out for not producing.

Can't have it both ways. Cannot demand one coach must produce at a certain level then give the next guy a pass.

The main thing i constantly get the most frustrated with in here is the level of hypocrisy of so many.

Nobody is saying we are not demanding he needs to produce at level of Cal. But give him a chance to prove himself before he even coaches a game before you start trying to be cute by calling him Orlando. This is what I get frustrated with.

(10-11-2016 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:00 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 01:54 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  It may take awhile to get Memphis kids to want to come to Memphis. The brand has been tarnished over the last several years. Look at all the transfers. Many of the players that didn't transfer talked publicly about it. We haven't made a sweet sixteen since Cal left. Many of these guys were young kids when we were competing at a very high level. They've been told by their handlers to look elsewhere.

Can't expect Tubby to right the ship overnight. He's already got a great 2017 class. I don't care if we get one Memphis kid, I just want good players.

There are some real miserables here. We got rid of Pastner at a huge discount and hired a hall of fame coach. I have no doubt he'll turn Memphis around. Not this year, but I think we'll make the tourney the year after. Tell me you think we'd have a chance for the NCAA with Pastner still here...

Name the 5 star recruits who LEFT Memphis since 1980. Keep in mind Cal probably could have got virtually all of them in his tenure but he could pick and choose.

He does not by any measurement have a great 2017 class. Team rankings are skewed because the schools that are recruiting well are waiting to sign their guys. KY has not signed a single recruit. We are projected according to a poster to end up in the 60ish range.

You're a miserable, face it!

Tell me about Pastner's recruiting the last couple of years? Where were all the Memphis guys? Yeah, he signed the Lawsons, but wouldn't have if he didn't give their father a job. How many stayed?

Tubby's got three solid players signed and there is still a lot of time left for 2017. He can also coach. Unlike many of you, I don't care about how many stars a dude has. Can he fit into the system and can we win with them?

Not even sure what the hell you want? I want a winning, competitive basketball team. I don't care if they score 6 points less or 20 less than last year. We've had back to back awful seasons where we couldn't even make the NIT. Tubby isn't a 10 year guy, but will hopefully put us on track to being a winning program. It should be a highly sought after position...

Hillary is that you???

KJ had already committed and SIGNED before his dad was even considered for the job.

If Keelon had not of taken a high school job in Florida he never would have been offered job and we still would have gotten Dedric and hopefully Chandler and Jonathan.

But Vandy offered him a job after he agreed to take the job in Florida and it was only after that did the Tigers offer.

(10-11-2016 04:06 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:00 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 01:54 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  It may take awhile to get Memphis kids to want to come to Memphis. The brand has been tarnished over the last several years. Look at all the transfers. Many of the players that didn't transfer talked publicly about it. We haven't made a sweet sixteen since Cal left. Many of these guys were young kids when we were competing at a very high level. They've been told by their handlers to look elsewhere.

Can't expect Tubby to right the ship overnight. He's already got a great 2017 class. I don't care if we get one Memphis kid, I just want good players.

There are some real miserables here. We got rid of Pastner at a huge discount and hired a hall of fame coach. I have no doubt he'll turn Memphis around. Not this year, but I think we'll make the tourney the year after. Tell me you think we'd have a chance for the NCAA with Pastner still here...

Name the 5 star recruits who LEFT Memphis since 1980. Keep in mind Cal probably could have got virtually all of them in his tenure but he could pick and choose.

He does not by any measurement have a great 2017 class. Team rankings are skewed because the schools that are recruiting well are waiting to sign their guys. KY has not signed a single recruit. We are projected according to a poster to end up in the 60ish range.

You're a miserable, face it!

Tell me about Pastner's recruiting the last couple of years? Where were all the Memphis guys? Yeah, he signed the Lawsons, but wouldn't have if he didn't give their father a job. How many stayed?

Tubby's got three solid players signed and there is still a lot of time left for 2017. He can also coach. Unlike many of you, I don't care about how many stars a dude has. Can he fit into the system and can we win with them?

Not even sure what the hell you want? I want a winning, competitive basketball team. I don't care if they score 6 points less or 20 less than last year. We've had back to back awful seasons where we couldn't even make the NIT. Tubby isn't a 10 year guy, but will hopefully put us on track to being a winning program. It should be a highly sought after position...

Hillary is that you???

KJ had already committed and SIGNED before his dad was even considered for the job.

If Keelon had not of taken a high school job in Florida he never would have been offered job and we still would have gotten Dedric and hopefully Chandler and Jonathan.

But Vandy offered him a job after he agreed to take the job in Florida and it was only after that did the Tigers offer.

"If [a college] hires a second or third assistant, what can they bring to the table?" Lawson said. "If you hire me, I'm automatically bringing you top-20 players in the country. Automatically. And there are coaches sitting on benches right now who can't do that."

"With loyalty to Josh, I would ask K.J., 'Would you want to stay [with Memphis] or would you want to go with me and Dedric?'" Keelon Lawson said. "But with us being a close-knit family, you know what the answer would be. He would say, 'Dad, I'm going with you.' So, of course, K.J. would go with me, and then Dedric, and then Chandler."

(10-11-2016 04:04 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 03:54 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:53 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Tubby is a coach. We gave a nice guy a chance to learn on the job.
It didn't work.

OK but ONLY if you hold Orlando to the exact same level of expectations as you did Pastner.

Orlando must produce at the same level as Cal's last four years or you and a lot of other need to sit back and shut up when he is called out for not producing.

Can't have it both ways. Cannot demand one coach must produce at a certain level then give the next guy a pass.

The main thing i constantly get the most frustrated with in here is the level of hypocrisy of so many.

Sigh. Not this again. Regardless of what you think, NO ONE was holding JP to that level of expectation. The expectations for the majority of fans was to not get your doors blown off EVERY time you stepped on the court with a ranked opponent and to at least look like you had a chance to advance to the second weekend of the tournament when you had a lineup littered with 4-5* recruits.

He OUT PRODUCED Cal in the same period on the job prior to those final four years of Cal's tenure and was STILL being blasted. First five years of each at Memphis. He had more wins, more NCAA appearances and more NCAA wins. Every measuring stick you can use during their first 5 years he out produced Cal.

But because he did not live up to the last FOUR YEARS people bitched. 24 win per year average was not good enough because Cal averaged 34 those 4 years but 23 before those four years. ANYONE who says they were not comparing him to Cal last four years is a LIAR.

Now you want to ignore that and give Orlando a three year free pass.

Calling others miserable (this board's version of the race card) does not resolve you and others of being hypocrites on this issue.

(10-10-2016 12:25 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 11:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  That's not a "slow-down" team & Tubby isn't a slow-down coach. That prediction is simply averaging 6 pts less per game. Heck, we could accomplish that just showing some organization on the floor this year for a change. Tubby has shown he runs when the break is available & works for a good shot when not. As I described in another thread this is very similar to the UVA approach where defense & offense efficiency is emphasized but the fast break isn't abandoned.

So you think averaging 6 ppg less is a GOOD THING? SMH

"we could accomplish that just showing some organization on the floor this year for a change."

Call it slow down, deliberate, whatever. That style will not suit the good personnel we have (it would the walk ons, recruits).

(10-11-2016 04:12 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 04:06 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:00 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 01:54 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  It may take awhile to get Memphis kids to want to come to Memphis. The brand has been tarnished over the last several years. Look at all the transfers. Many of the players that didn't transfer talked publicly about it. We haven't made a sweet sixteen since Cal left. Many of these guys were young kids when we were competing at a very high level. They've been told by their handlers to look elsewhere.

Can't expect Tubby to right the ship overnight. He's already got a great 2017 class. I don't care if we get one Memphis kid, I just want good players.

There are some real miserables here. We got rid of Pastner at a huge discount and hired a hall of fame coach. I have no doubt he'll turn Memphis around. Not this year, but I think we'll make the tourney the year after. Tell me you think we'd have a chance for the NCAA with Pastner still here...

Name the 5 star recruits who LEFT Memphis since 1980. Keep in mind Cal probably could have got virtually all of them in his tenure but he could pick and choose.

He does not by any measurement have a great 2017 class. Team rankings are skewed because the schools that are recruiting well are waiting to sign their guys. KY has not signed a single recruit. We are projected according to a poster to end up in the 60ish range.

You're a miserable, face it!

Tell me about Pastner's recruiting the last couple of years? Where were all the Memphis guys? Yeah, he signed the Lawsons, but wouldn't have if he didn't give their father a job. How many stayed?

Tubby's got three solid players signed and there is still a lot of time left for 2017. He can also coach. Unlike many of you, I don't care about how many stars a dude has. Can he fit into the system and can we win with them?

Not even sure what the hell you want? I want a winning, competitive basketball team. I don't care if they score 6 points less or 20 less than last year. We've had back to back awful seasons where we couldn't even make the NIT. Tubby isn't a 10 year guy, but will hopefully put us on track to being a winning program. It should be a highly sought after position...

Hillary is that you???

KJ had already committed and SIGNED before his dad was even considered for the job.

If Keelon had not of taken a high school job in Florida he never would have been offered job and we still would have gotten Dedric and hopefully Chandler and Jonathan.

But Vandy offered him a job after he agreed to take the job in Florida and it was only after that did the Tigers offer.

"If [a college] hires a second or third assistant, what can they bring to the table?" Lawson said. "If you hire me, I'm automatically bringing you top-20 players in the country. Automatically. And there are coaches sitting on benches right now who can't do that."

"With loyalty to Josh, I would ask K.J., 'Would you want to stay [with Memphis] or would you want to go with me and Dedric?'" Keelon Lawson said. "But with us being a close-knit family, you know what the answer would be. He would say, 'Dad, I'm going with you.' So, of course, K.J. would go with me, and then Dedric, and then Chandler."

But he STILL signed BEFORE Keelon took the job. What part of IF KEELON HAD NOT OF TAKEN JOB IN FLORIDA goes over your head?

He got the Memphis offer ONLY because Vandy offered him a job.

Other schools had to hire him in order to get in on the boys. If he stayed at Hamilton the boys were all Tiger locks WITHOUT having to offer him a job.

(10-11-2016 04:24 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 04:04 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 03:54 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:53 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Tubby is a coach. We gave a nice guy a chance to learn on the job.
It didn't work.

OK but ONLY if you hold Orlando to the exact same level of expectations as you did Pastner.

Orlando must produce at the same level as Cal's last four years or you and a lot of other need to sit back and shut up when he is called out for not producing.

Can't have it both ways. Cannot demand one coach must produce at a certain level then give the next guy a pass.

The main thing i constantly get the most frustrated with in here is the level of hypocrisy of so many.

Sigh. Not this again. Regardless of what you think, NO ONE was holding JP to that level of expectation. The expectations for the majority of fans was to not get your doors blown off EVERY time you stepped on the court with a ranked opponent and to at least look like you had a chance to advance to the second weekend of the tournament when you had a lineup littered with 4-5* recruits.

He OUT PRODUCED Cal in the same period on the job prior to those final four years of Cal's tenure and was STILL being blasted. First five years of each at Memphis. He had more wins, more NCAA appearances and more NCAA wins. Every measuring stick you can use during their first 5 years he out produced Cal.

But because he did not live up to the last FOUR YEARS people bitched. 24 win per year average was not good enough because Cal averaged 34 those 4 years but 23 before those four years. ANYONE who says they were not comparing him to Cal last four years is a LIAR.

Now you want to ignore that and give Orlando a three year free pass.

Calling others miserable (this board's version of the race card) does not resolve you and others of being hypocrites on this issue.

Get real man. People complained because he was 0 and infinity against ranked opponents. People complained because we looked like an absolute joke when we got to the tournament. People complained because he ran off an entire recruiting class except for one dude. No one with a brain was expecting him to go E8, E8, FF, S16.

(10-11-2016 04:36 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 04:12 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 04:06 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:00 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Name the 5 star recruits who LEFT Memphis since 1980. Keep in mind Cal probably could have got virtually all of them in his tenure but he could pick and choose.

He does not by any measurement have a great 2017 class. Team rankings are skewed because the schools that are recruiting well are waiting to sign their guys. KY has not signed a single recruit. We are projected according to a poster to end up in the 60ish range.

You're a miserable, face it!

Tell me about Pastner's recruiting the last couple of years? Where were all the Memphis guys? Yeah, he signed the Lawsons, but wouldn't have if he didn't give their father a job. How many stayed?

Tubby's got three solid players signed and there is still a lot of time left for 2017. He can also coach. Unlike many of you, I don't care about how many stars a dude has. Can he fit into the system and can we win with them?

Not even sure what the hell you want? I want a winning, competitive basketball team. I don't care if they score 6 points less or 20 less than last year. We've had back to back awful seasons where we couldn't even make the NIT. Tubby isn't a 10 year guy, but will hopefully put us on track to being a winning program. It should be a highly sought after position...

Hillary is that you???

KJ had already committed and SIGNED before his dad was even considered for the job.

If Keelon had not of taken a high school job in Florida he never would have been offered job and we still would have gotten Dedric and hopefully Chandler and Jonathan.

But Vandy offered him a job after he agreed to take the job in Florida and it was only after that did the Tigers offer.

"If [a college] hires a second or third assistant, what can they bring to the table?" Lawson said. "If you hire me, I'm automatically bringing you top-20 players in the country. Automatically. And there are coaches sitting on benches right now who can't do that."

"With loyalty to Josh, I would ask K.J., 'Would you want to stay [with Memphis] or would you want to go with me and Dedric?'" Keelon Lawson said. "But with us being a close-knit family, you know what the answer would be. He would say, 'Dad, I'm going with you.' So, of course, K.J. would go with me, and then Dedric, and then Chandler."

But he STILL signed BEFORE Keelon took the job. What part of IF KEELON HAD NOT OF TAKEN JOB IN FLORIDA goes over your head?

He got the Memphis offer ONLY because Vandy offered him a job.

Other schools had to hire him in order to get in on the boys. If he stayed at Hamilton the boys were all Tiger locks WITHOUT having to offer him a job.

What a tard. I don't blame Pastner for hiring Keelon, it's business. But he got Dedric and kept KJ because he hired their dad. Tubby kept them on the team because he's still on the payroll.

Pastner started off ok. He wasn't left much and rebuilt the program with good players quickly. He couldn't retain players or sign many good players towards the end.

I'm not anti-Pastner. He had some good years, but the end wasn't pretty. He wasn't winning and couldn't land top classes here anymore. He had a great winning percentage, but against crappy C-USA teams and weak no conference teams. His record against top 25 teams was abysmal. His NCAA record was lackluster. It was best for both parties for him to move to Ga Tech. I think he'll do good there. His time here was up, and had been for a couple of years.

I doubt we'll ever see the Cal years again. Incredible run. Right now, I'd like to see an NCAA appearance and in a couple of years a sweet 16 run.

If Tubby can't get it done, I'll be the first to say he should leave. I think he'll get us into the NCAA in two years. He hasn't coached a game and you guys are ready to lynch the guy.

(10-11-2016 03:59 PM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 03:57 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 03:46 PM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  I'm relatively new to this board, so I don't know if people didn't hear what Coach Smith actually said about Memphis high school players, heard it and accidentally misinterpreted it, or heard it and are choosing to present it in a way that puts it in the most negative light possible. I heard his interview live and listened again to the podcast, and nothing about his comments indicated that he thinks he can't (or won't) get Memphis kids to come to Memphis.

If he felt he could get them then why even bring it up? The ONLY reason to bring it up is to lay groundwork for an excuse later if he does not get them.

Did you even listen to the interview? He didn't bring it up. He was responding to a question.

You know, never mind, I'm not getting dragged into the quagmire. You all have a great day.

Its Agenda man. Race car guy read what the Penny man posted and is running away with it. He definitely didn't listen to the interview. Best to avoid him.

What i posted on the interview was a recap from the Interview thread-most of the recaps jived-you could tell who was positive and negative about what was said. Tubby basically said we have no brand, haven't been to tourney in two years and most Memphis kids probably want to go elsewhere. If that is incorrect, please give interview verbatim.

Listen to the interview and straight from Tubby instead of a couple of posters. There are folks on that thread that has listened to the interview and refutes what you read from those couple of posters. It makes sense to just listen to the interview. It's obvious racecar guy and you haven't. SMH

(10-11-2016 04:47 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  No one with a brain was expecting him to go E8, E8, FF, S16.

I'll go you one better. No one with a brain would even suggest such a thing, let alone believe it.

(10-11-2016 01:33 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  You are not a guy I would want in a fox hole with me:

"And as for Tubby's statement about Memphis kids, I can believe it. I may wish it wasn't so, but that's the way things go today."

Believe me, I would not want to be in a foxhole with you either - you're the kind that draws fire from your own troops.

Tubby job is to bring back discipline and good quality basketball, he has done that everywhere he has been. I'm not sure how anyone could think we aren't in a better spot than we were 12 months ago. I don't understand why anyone would start all the negativity before he coaches a game. Fine and fair if you think he has been slow building his team, honestly, I don't even count last years recruiting cause he wasn't here long enough to get much done. I fully expect him to put a good quality team on the floor real soon.