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Couldn't they push back the SEC title game a week
(10-10-2016 12:06 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  
(10-10-2016 11:56 AM)stever20 Wrote:  just saw this from Clay Travis:
Hearing LSU at Florida may happen on 11/19. LSU would play South Alabama on 10/29 & UF would play Presby on 10/22. Negotiations ongoing.

Then when will USA play there Sun Belt conference game against Georgia State that is scheduled to be played on 10/29.

11/19, with Georgia State-Georgia Southern moving to 11/26 (both teams' scheduled byes).


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(10-11-2016 05:42 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  
(10-10-2016 12:06 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  
(10-10-2016 11:56 AM)stever20 Wrote:  just saw this from Clay Travis:
Hearing LSU at Florida may happen on 11/19. LSU would play South Alabama on 10/29 & UF would play Presby on 10/22. Negotiations ongoing.

Then when will USA play there Sun Belt conference game against Georgia State that is scheduled to be played on 10/29.

11/19, with Georgia State-Georgia Southern moving to 11/26 (both teams' scheduled byes).


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It's going to take a lot of pot sweetener to convince a Sun Belt School to A: Accomodate the SEC, B. Play on Thankgiving Weekend.

Especially forcing Georgia State to move the Georgia Southern game, which is their highest attended game of the season by far to a week where they'd have to compete with Georgia/Georgia Tech. That's just not something I see.

Then you have option B, which convinces ULM to move to a Thanksgiving Week home game when they A: Hate playing on Thanksgiving Weekend, and B. Hate LSU.
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(10-11-2016 05:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You need to read the history of the SIAA and how it became the Southern Conference and how the Southern Conference gave birth to the SEC and then to the ACC in a second split. Tulane was simply with us as was Georgia Tech and the University of the South (Sewanee).

And while the game could have easily been played the bigger story is why Florida and L.S.U. have been so obstinate about it. That beef is 24 years old.

And Vanderbilt isn't? Tulane could be another Vandy had they stayed. Much better than being another Rice. Kentucky is a free loader too but they at least have carried the conference for 70 years in basketball.
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(10-11-2016 07:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 05:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You need to read the history of the SIAA and how it became the Southern Conference and how the Southern Conference gave birth to the SEC and then to the ACC in a second split. Tulane was simply with us as was Georgia Tech and the University of the South (Sewanee).

And while the game could have easily been played the bigger story is why Florida and L.S.U. have been so obstinate about it. That beef is 24 years old.

And Vanderbilt isn't? Tulane could be another Vandy had they stayed. Much better than being another Rice. Kentucky is a free loader too but they at least have carried the conference for 70 years in basketball.

Tulane actually left because they felt that they were a bigger brand on their own. Imagine that? Kentucky pays their way. We can't be a conference of 14 Alabama's now can we. Besides, I think we have winning records against the service academies. 03-wink03-wink03-wink
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(10-11-2016 07:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 05:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You need to read the history of the SIAA and how it became the Southern Conference and how the Southern Conference gave birth to the SEC and then to the ACC in a second split. Tulane was simply with us as was Georgia Tech and the University of the South (Sewanee).

And while the game could have easily been played the bigger story is why Florida and L.S.U. have been so obstinate about it. That beef is 24 years old.

And Vanderbilt isn't? Tulane could be another Vandy had they stayed. Much better than being another Rice. Kentucky is a free loader too but they at least have carried the conference for 70 years in basketball.

Kentucky is a have. They were 14th in the nation in athletic revenue last year, right between FSU and Georgia.
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(10-11-2016 11:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 07:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 05:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You need to read the history of the SIAA and how it became the Southern Conference and how the Southern Conference gave birth to the SEC and then to the ACC in a second split. Tulane was simply with us as was Georgia Tech and the University of the South (Sewanee).

And while the game could have easily been played the bigger story is why Florida and L.S.U. have been so obstinate about it. That beef is 24 years old.

And Vanderbilt isn't? Tulane could be another Vandy had they stayed. Much better than being another Rice. Kentucky is a free loader too but they at least have carried the conference for 70 years in basketball.

Tulane actually left because they felt that they were a bigger brand on their own. Imagine that? Kentucky pays their way. We can't be a conference of 14 Alabama's now can we. Besides, I think we have winning records against the service academies. 03-wink03-wink03-wink

Yes, anyone who thinks Kentucky isn't a valuable member of the SEC is off their rocker.

One of my fears concerning long-run SEC health is that one day, the B1G might be able to pick off Kentucky.
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It is ridiculous that the SEC didn't require the game to be rescheduled for this past Sunday or Monday. The whole thinks smells like UF trying to avoid picking up another loss in hopes of sneaking into the SEC East title.

LSU is not buying out their game with USA unless they get a replacement home game, i.e., with Florida. Why should they? Therefore, the only remaining option would be to play the game on Championship Saturday if they are both eliminated from SEC title game contention.
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(10-12-2016 07:28 AM)orangefan Wrote:  It is ridiculous that the SEC didn't require the game to be rescheduled for this past Sunday or Monday. The whole thinks smells like UF trying to avoid picking up another loss in hopes of sneaking into the SEC East title.

Florida looked out for themselves. Playing the game in Gainesville is right for Florida because (a) it maximizes their money, and (b) it maximizes their chances of winning a tough, important game.

Is that a bad thing? Their AD and President are paid to look out for Florida. If I were a Gator, I'd be happy my AD took a hard line.

Of course, in doing so, Florida screwed over the SEC, but hey, once again, their AD is paid to look out for Florida. Just like LSU is correct to now insist that they aren't losing their 11/19 home game.

The problem here therefore doesn't lie with Florida, but with the SEC leadership. Sankey is paid to do what's best for the conference, and he failed it by letting Florida dictate terms last week. He's now in a bind because having let Florida dictate terms last week ("the game WILL be played in Gainesville!") he can't now turn to LSU and insist that they change their tune ("we WILL play at home on 11/19!").

Yes, the game should have been moved to another locale - Baton Rouge, Birmingham, Tallahassee, etc. and played over the weekend, but Sankey was run over by Florida.

Kudos to Florida, shame on Sankey.
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(10-12-2016 07:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 11:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 07:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 05:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You need to read the history of the SIAA and how it became the Southern Conference and how the Southern Conference gave birth to the SEC and then to the ACC in a second split. Tulane was simply with us as was Georgia Tech and the University of the South (Sewanee).

And while the game could have easily been played the bigger story is why Florida and L.S.U. have been so obstinate about it. That beef is 24 years old.

And Vanderbilt isn't? Tulane could be another Vandy had they stayed. Much better than being another Rice. Kentucky is a free loader too but they at least have carried the conference for 70 years in basketball.

Tulane actually left because they felt that they were a bigger brand on their own. Imagine that? Kentucky pays their way. We can't be a conference of 14 Alabama's now can we. Besides, I think we have winning records against the service academies. 03-wink03-wink03-wink

Yes, anyone who thinks Kentucky isn't a valuable member of the SEC is off their rocker.

One of my fears concerning long-run SEC health is that one day, the B1G might be able to pick off Kentucky.

That's the least of my fears. Kentucky would love a rival or maybe two in the conference. If Tennessee ever truly returns to form on the hardwood they would be one rival they would love to see do reasonably well. However the addition of say a Kansas would mean everything to Kentucky and their fans.

What Kentucky is not hankering to do is joint a conference deep in basketball. Like Texas and Oklahoma they have enjoyed an easy path to the Tournament on most years. So I don't think they would ever leave for a conference like the Big 10 where basketball is as deep as football is in the SEC.
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RE: Couldn't they push back the SEC title game a week
(10-12-2016 09:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 07:28 AM)orangefan Wrote:  It is ridiculous that the SEC didn't require the game to be rescheduled for this past Sunday or Monday. The whole thinks smells like UF trying to avoid picking up another loss in hopes of sneaking into the SEC East title.

Florida looked out for themselves. Playing the game in Gainesville is right for Florida because (a) it maximizes their money, and (b) it maximizes their chances of winning a tough, important game.

Is that a bad thing? Their AD and President are paid to look out for Florida. If I were a Gator, I'd be happy my AD took a hard line.

Of course, in doing so, Florida screwed over the SEC, but hey, once again, their AD is paid to look out for Florida. Just like LSU is correct to now insist that they aren't losing their 11/19 home game.

The problem here therefore doesn't lie with Florida, but with the SEC leadership. Sankey is paid to do what's best for the conference, and he failed it by letting Florida dictate terms last week. He's now in a bind because having let Florida dictate terms last week ("the game WILL be played in Gainesville!") he can't now turn to LSU and insist that they change their tune ("we WILL play at home on 11/19!").

Yes, the game should have been moved to another locale - Baton Rouge, Birmingham, Tallahassee, etc. and played over the weekend, but Sankey was run over by Florida.

Kudos to Florida, shame on Sankey.

When he was announced I had some fears. He's been in relatively less dynamic conference situations and spent most of his time in the SEC as a behind the scenes guy. I don't think he was toughened enough with past experience to know when and how to use his authority. It is likely now that in the next situation he will overreact to assert himself. This concerns me.
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(10-12-2016 09:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 09:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 07:28 AM)orangefan Wrote:  It is ridiculous that the SEC didn't require the game to be rescheduled for this past Sunday or Monday. The whole thinks smells like UF trying to avoid picking up another loss in hopes of sneaking into the SEC East title.

Florida looked out for themselves. Playing the game in Gainesville is right for Florida because (a) it maximizes their money, and (b) it maximizes their chances of winning a tough, important game.

Is that a bad thing? Their AD and President are paid to look out for Florida. If I were a Gator, I'd be happy my AD took a hard line.

Of course, in doing so, Florida screwed over the SEC, but hey, once again, their AD is paid to look out for Florida. Just like LSU is correct to now insist that they aren't losing their 11/19 home game.

The problem here therefore doesn't lie with Florida, but with the SEC leadership. Sankey is paid to do what's best for the conference, and he failed it by letting Florida dictate terms last week. He's now in a bind because having let Florida dictate terms last week ("the game WILL be played in Gainesville!") he can't now turn to LSU and insist that they change their tune ("we WILL play at home on 11/19!").

Yes, the game should have been moved to another locale - Baton Rouge, Birmingham, Tallahassee, etc. and played over the weekend, but Sankey was run over by Florida.

Kudos to Florida, shame on Sankey.

When he was announced I had some fears. He's been in relatively less dynamic conference situations and spent most of his time in the SEC as a behind the scenes guy. I don't think he was toughened enough with past experience to know when and how to use his authority. It is likely now that in the next situation he will overreact to assert himself. This concerns me.

While painful, this mistake is fixable. My hope is simply that he learns from it and/or from when he does overreact. Otherwise we will be hurt come TV contract time and expansion time.
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I like the sec adding Tulane and Texas to get to 16. Bringing in Tulane adds to the academic angle which might make Texas more interested in the sec. The other factor is it balances things in football, too many top dogs hurt the league. Ou and ku jump to the big 10 and Texas tech and Houston go to the PAC 12
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(10-12-2016 09:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 09:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 07:28 AM)orangefan Wrote:  It is ridiculous that the SEC didn't require the game to be rescheduled for this past Sunday or Monday. The whole thinks smells like UF trying to avoid picking up another loss in hopes of sneaking into the SEC East title.

Florida looked out for themselves. Playing the game in Gainesville is right for Florida because (a) it maximizes their money, and (b) it maximizes their chances of winning a tough, important game.

Is that a bad thing? Their AD and President are paid to look out for Florida. If I were a Gator, I'd be happy my AD took a hard line.

Of course, in doing so, Florida screwed over the SEC, but hey, once again, their AD is paid to look out for Florida. Just like LSU is correct to now insist that they aren't losing their 11/19 home game.

The problem here therefore doesn't lie with Florida, but with the SEC leadership. Sankey is paid to do what's best for the conference, and he failed it by letting Florida dictate terms last week. He's now in a bind because having let Florida dictate terms last week ("the game WILL be played in Gainesville!") he can't now turn to LSU and insist that they change their tune ("we WILL play at home on 11/19!").

Yes, the game should have been moved to another locale - Baton Rouge, Birmingham, Tallahassee, etc. and played over the weekend, but Sankey was run over by Florida.

Kudos to Florida, shame on Sankey.

When he was announced I had some fears. He's been in relatively less dynamic conference situations and spent most of his time in the SEC as a behind the scenes guy. I don't think he was toughened enough with past experience to know when and how to use his authority. It is likely now that in the next situation he will overreact to assert himself. This concerns me.

Yes, the SEC is probably the most difficult conference to manage. Managing a conference like the Big 12 is easy, because all it means is keeping Texas, and to an extent Oklahoma, happy. The rest are docile cows.

But in the SEC, you have at least 7 schools with huge egos that regard themselves as Kings of the Hill, and probably I'm undercounting there. They each take umbrage at the smallest perceived slight, and carry chips on their shoulder about conflicts going back 100 years. The relationships are complicated, on one hand when it comes to facing external threats, unity is high, the SEC schools band together against any outsider, but inside their own house its rough and tumble, they eagerly bash each other over the head.

Big egos, very unruly, requires a very firm hand on the tiller and also a subtle diplomat. So far, Sankey has proven to be neither.
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(10-12-2016 07:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 11:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 07:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 05:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You need to read the history of the SIAA and how it became the Southern Conference and how the Southern Conference gave birth to the SEC and then to the ACC in a second split. Tulane was simply with us as was Georgia Tech and the University of the South (Sewanee).

And while the game could have easily been played the bigger story is why Florida and L.S.U. have been so obstinate about it. That beef is 24 years old.

And Vanderbilt isn't? Tulane could be another Vandy had they stayed. Much better than being another Rice. Kentucky is a free loader too but they at least have carried the conference for 70 years in basketball.

Tulane actually left because they felt that they were a bigger brand on their own. Imagine that? Kentucky pays their way. We can't be a conference of 14 Alabama's now can we. Besides, I think we have winning records against the service academies. 03-wink03-wink03-wink

Yes, anyone who thinks Kentucky isn't a valuable member of the SEC is off their rocker.

One of my fears concerning long-run SEC health is that one day, the B1G might be able to pick off Kentucky.

Actually, I knew, for example, that UK had great football attendance and even better basketball attendance given the sport, let alone their accomplishments on the court. That said, they contribute nothing in football. They even do stuff like lose to MAC teams.
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(10-12-2016 02:12 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 07:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 11:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 07:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 05:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You need to read the history of the SIAA and how it became the Southern Conference and how the Southern Conference gave birth to the SEC and then to the ACC in a second split. Tulane was simply with us as was Georgia Tech and the University of the South (Sewanee).

And while the game could have easily been played the bigger story is why Florida and L.S.U. have been so obstinate about it. That beef is 24 years old.

And Vanderbilt isn't? Tulane could be another Vandy had they stayed. Much better than being another Rice. Kentucky is a free loader too but they at least have carried the conference for 70 years in basketball.

Tulane actually left because they felt that they were a bigger brand on their own. Imagine that? Kentucky pays their way. We can't be a conference of 14 Alabama's now can we. Besides, I think we have winning records against the service academies. 03-wink03-wink03-wink

Yes, anyone who thinks Kentucky isn't a valuable member of the SEC is off their rocker.

One of my fears concerning long-run SEC health is that one day, the B1G might be able to pick off Kentucky.

Actually, I knew, for example, that UK had great football attendance and even better basketball attendance given the sport, let alone their accomplishments on the court. That said, they contribute nothing in football. They even do stuff like lose to MAC teams.

Not every school can be Alabama in football. UK contributes just fine. Everyone in the SEC is happy with Kentucky.
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RE: Couldn't they push back the SEC title game a week
(10-12-2016 09:17 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 07:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 11:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 07:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 05:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You need to read the history of the SIAA and how it became the Southern Conference and how the Southern Conference gave birth to the SEC and then to the ACC in a second split. Tulane was simply with us as was Georgia Tech and the University of the South (Sewanee).

And while the game could have easily been played the bigger story is why Florida and L.S.U. have been so obstinate about it. That beef is 24 years old.

And Vanderbilt isn't? Tulane could be another Vandy had they stayed. Much better than being another Rice. Kentucky is a free loader too but they at least have carried the conference for 70 years in basketball.

Tulane actually left because they felt that they were a bigger brand on their own. Imagine that? Kentucky pays their way. We can't be a conference of 14 Alabama's now can we. Besides, I think we have winning records against the service academies. 03-wink03-wink03-wink

Yes, anyone who thinks Kentucky isn't a valuable member of the SEC is off their rocker.

One of my fears concerning long-run SEC health is that one day, the B1G might be able to pick off Kentucky.

That's the least of my fears. Kentucky would love a rival or maybe two in the conference. If Tennessee ever truly returns to form on the hardwood they would be one rival they would love to see do reasonably well. However the addition of say a Kansas would mean everything to Kentucky and their fans.

What Kentucky is not hankering to do is joint a conference deep in basketball. Like Texas and Oklahoma they have enjoyed an easy path to the Tournament on most years. So I don't think they would ever leave for a conference like the Big 10 where basketball is as deep as football is in the SEC.

Yeah even if the economics were to change and ACC were a richer deal than SEC, don't see UK wanting to have a schedule with so few conference breathers. Would they be thrilled if Duke applied to the SEC or Kansas? I think without question but that's a different animal.
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RE: Couldn't they push back the SEC title game a week
(10-12-2016 09:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 09:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Kudos to Florida, shame on Sankey.

When he was announced I had some fears. He's been in relatively less dynamic conference situations and spent most of his time in the SEC as a behind the scenes guy. I don't think he was toughened enough with past experience to know when and how to use his authority. It is likely now that in the next situation he will overreact to assert himself. This concerns me.

To your point, I think they thought he might be an Adam Silver type, who was mostly behind the scenes, just sort of watching (seemingly). And as soon as he got the position, he made it clear who had the big balls. Granted Silver was groomed for 15 years for the position, but he appeared to be somewhat timid when first introduced, then it turned out he was definitely the best man for the job.
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Ehh, it remains to be seen on AS. Stern globalized and popularized the NBA and was great with players and the media, that's a tough act to follow.
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(10-12-2016 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 02:12 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 07:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 11:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 07:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  And Vanderbilt isn't? Tulane could be another Vandy had they stayed. Much better than being another Rice. Kentucky is a free loader too but they at least have carried the conference for 70 years in basketball.

Tulane actually left because they felt that they were a bigger brand on their own. Imagine that? Kentucky pays their way. We can't be a conference of 14 Alabama's now can we. Besides, I think we have winning records against the service academies. 03-wink03-wink03-wink

Yes, anyone who thinks Kentucky isn't a valuable member of the SEC is off their rocker.

One of my fears concerning long-run SEC health is that one day, the B1G might be able to pick off Kentucky.

Actually, I knew, for example, that UK had great football attendance and even better basketball attendance given the sport, let alone their accomplishments on the court. That said, they contribute nothing in football. They even do stuff like lose to MAC teams.

Not every school can be Alabama in football. UK contributes just fine. Everyone in the SEC is happy with Kentucky.

And we like having Ashley Judd court-side!
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(10-14-2016 01:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Not every school can be Alabama in football. UK contributes just fine. Everyone in the SEC is happy with Kentucky.

And we like having Ashley Judd court-side!

You sure about that? 05-stirthepot

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