This thread has been as funny as hell to watch & read!!

The old ACC was great!!! UNC & Duke & UVA were awesome ball!!

But to me, the Big East was at its best when I was young...
https://youtu.be/bp1w4kvkbA8

(10-14-2016 10:05 PM)texasorange Wrote:  This thread has been as funny as hell to watch & read!!

The old ACC was great!!! UNC & Duke & UVA were awesome ball!!

But to me, the Big East was at its best when I was young...
https://youtu.be/bp1w4kvkbA8

The ACC historically is the best basketball conference. The Dixie Classic, The Big Four, the ACC Tournament. Everett Case, Frank McG, Bones McKinney, Dean Smith, Norm Sloan, Terry Holland, Lefty Driesell. Cutting down the nets. CD Chesley, Sail with the Pilot. The Big East had some great teams and was strong for several years, but the ACC was here long before the BE ever existed and is still here today, while the BE is a shadow of it's old self.

(10-15-2016 10:50 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 10:05 PM)texasorange Wrote:  This thread has been as funny as hell to watch & read!!

The old ACC was great!!! UNC & Duke & UVA were awesome ball!!

But to me, the Big East was at its best when I was young...
https://youtu.be/bp1w4kvkbA8

The ACC historically is the best basketball conference. The Dixie Classic, The Big Four, the ACC Tournament. Everett Case, Frank McG, Bones McKinney, Dean Smith, Norm Sloan, Terry Holland, Lefty Driesell. Cutting down the nets. CD Chesley, Sail with the Pilot. The Big East had some great teams and was strong for several years, but the ACC was here long before the BE ever existed and is still here today, while the BE is a shadow of it's old self.

That's just it. The ACC was older. That's why it survived.

But the ACC never could match the boxing match brawls that were BIG EAST game, nor are the lights as bright in Greensboro as they are in MSG.

Beyond that, though, the story lines were never as good. That's not to say that the ACC didn't have good stories, nor is it to say that the ACC didn't have great stories back in the day. But from 1980 on, the BIG EAST had a better story more years than not. I also think that it had a better average product more years than not, but I'm not going to open that can of worms w/ anybody.

(10-15-2016 03:02 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 10:50 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 10:05 PM)texasorange Wrote:  This thread has been as funny as hell to watch & read!!

The old ACC was great!!! UNC & Duke & UVA were awesome ball!!

But to me, the Big East was at its best when I was young...
https://youtu.be/bp1w4kvkbA8

The ACC historically is the best basketball conference. The Dixie Classic, The Big Four, the ACC Tournament. Everett Case, Frank McG, Bones McKinney, Dean Smith, Norm Sloan, Terry Holland, Lefty Driesell. Cutting down the nets. CD Chesley, Sail with the Pilot. The Big East had some great teams and was strong for several years, but the ACC was here long before the BE ever existed and is still here today, while the BE is a shadow of it's old self.

That's just it. The ACC was older. That's why it survived.

But the ACC never could match the boxing match brawls that were BIG EAST game, nor are the lights as bright in Greensboro as they are in MSG.

Beyond that, though, the story lines were never as good. That's not to say that the ACC didn't have good stories, nor is it to say that the ACC didn't have great stories back in the day. But from 1980 on, the BIG EAST had a better story more years than not. I also think that it had a better average product more years than not, but I'm not going to open that can of worms w/ anybody.

I had hoped that we were done.

The ACC survived because it was better, much better, not older.

(10-15-2016 09:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 03:02 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 10:50 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 10:05 PM)texasorange Wrote:  This thread has been as funny as hell to watch & read!!

The old ACC was great!!! UNC & Duke & UVA were awesome ball!!

But to me, the Big East was at its best when I was young...
https://youtu.be/bp1w4kvkbA8

The ACC historically is the best basketball conference. The Dixie Classic, The Big Four, the ACC Tournament. Everett Case, Frank McG, Bones McKinney, Dean Smith, Norm Sloan, Terry Holland, Lefty Driesell. Cutting down the nets. CD Chesley, Sail with the Pilot. The Big East had some great teams and was strong for several years, but the ACC was here long before the BE ever existed and is still here today, while the BE is a shadow of it's old self.

That's just it. The ACC was older. That's why it survived.

But the ACC never could match the boxing match brawls that were BIG EAST game, nor are the lights as bright in Greensboro as they are in MSG.

Beyond that, though, the story lines were never as good. That's not to say that the ACC didn't have good stories, nor is it to say that the ACC didn't have great stories back in the day. But from 1980 on, the BIG EAST had a better story more years than not. I also think that it had a better average product more years than not, but I'm not going to open that can of worms w/ anybody.

I had hoped that we were done.

The ACC survived because it was better, much better, not older.

The ACC's survival had very little to with basketball, if at all. When the ACC raided the BE of VT, Miami and BC it had nothing to do with bb. That raid was actually a terminal blow and it was the beginning of the end, because after that raid, the BE no longer had access as an anchor to a bcs bowl. The ACC with its schools with bigger fanbases now has schools like Miami, VT, FSU and Clemson that were close to major bowls while the BE did not. From the first raid until the last raid with the invitation to Louisville, left the BE unstable. It had nothing to do with the ACC having better basketball.

If you want to claim that the ACC had more schools that were bigger and in better locations for fb and better leaders in the ACC offices than the BE, no arguments from me.

(10-15-2016 09:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 03:02 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 10:50 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 10:05 PM)texasorange Wrote:  This thread has been as funny as hell to watch & read!!

The old ACC was great!!! UNC & Duke & UVA were awesome ball!!

But to me, the Big East was at its best when I was young...
https://youtu.be/bp1w4kvkbA8

The ACC historically is the best basketball conference. The Dixie Classic, The Big Four, the ACC Tournament. Everett Case, Frank McG, Bones McKinney, Dean Smith, Norm Sloan, Terry Holland, Lefty Driesell. Cutting down the nets. CD Chesley, Sail with the Pilot. The Big East had some great teams and was strong for several years, but the ACC was here long before the BE ever existed and is still here today, while the BE is a shadow of it's old self.

That's just it. The ACC was older. That's why it survived.

But the ACC never could match the boxing match brawls that were BIG EAST game, nor are the lights as bright in Greensboro as they are in MSG.

Beyond that, though, the story lines were never as good. That's not to say that the ACC didn't have good stories, nor is it to say that the ACC didn't have great stories back in the day. But from 1980 on, the BIG EAST had a better story more years than not. I also think that it had a better average product more years than not, but I'm not going to open that can of worms w/ anybody.

I had hoped that we were done.

The ACC survived because it was better, much better, not older.

Hilariously no. Guys like you promised that the ACCT would be better than the BET, and we just had to "experience it."

If you wanted to sell me that UNC and Duke were/are bigger deals than the top 2 BIG EAST schools, sure. If you are trying to sell me that, the ACC was better in the 90's, then maybe. If you're trying to tell me that the ACC, as a whole, was better in the 80's or last decade or so of the BIG EAST (prior to SU and Pitt leaving), then you clearly don't watch basketball - at least not non-ACC basketball.

The ACC outlived the BIG EAST because it was way older. ACC shools have 100+ years of history. Many BIG EAST schools had ~10 years of history. Why do schools like UNC and UVA want to play Wake? It's not because of Wake's great teams or legions of fans. It's because of the history. That ties the conference together in a way that schools like Miami and Virginia Tech weren't tied to the BIG EAST.

And, had those two schools stayed, the BIG EAST would have held together (BC and SU wouldn't have bolted w/o Miami).

You can pretend otherwise, but the ACC was perennially overrated, and still not overly impressive. I'll take PC over 2/3rds of the old ACC in basketball most years.

That said, there 100% has been a general revival of the conference after the most recent raid - in both football and basketball. Pretty much everybody is playing better. And, the current ACC is the best basketball conference ever put together, and it's a very good football conference IMHO.

(10-16-2016 12:14 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 09:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 03:02 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 10:50 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 10:05 PM)texasorange Wrote:  This thread has been as funny as hell to watch & read!!

The old ACC was great!!! UNC & Duke & UVA were awesome ball!!

But to me, the Big East was at its best when I was young...
https://youtu.be/bp1w4kvkbA8

The ACC historically is the best basketball conference. The Dixie Classic, The Big Four, the ACC Tournament. Everett Case, Frank McG, Bones McKinney, Dean Smith, Norm Sloan, Terry Holland, Lefty Driesell. Cutting down the nets. CD Chesley, Sail with the Pilot. The Big East had some great teams and was strong for several years, but the ACC was here long before the BE ever existed and is still here today, while the BE is a shadow of it's old self.

That's just it. The ACC was older. That's why it survived.

But the ACC never could match the boxing match brawls that were BIG EAST game, nor are the lights as bright in Greensboro as they are in MSG.

Beyond that, though, the story lines were never as good. That's not to say that the ACC didn't have good stories, nor is it to say that the ACC didn't have great stories back in the day. But from 1980 on, the BIG EAST had a better story more years than not. I also think that it had a better average product more years than not, but I'm not going to open that can of worms w/ anybody.

I had hoped that we were done.

The ACC survived because it was better, much better, not older.

Hilariously no. Guys like you promised that the ACCT would be better than the BET, and we just had to "experience it."

If you wanted to sell me that UNC and Duke were/are bigger deals than the top 2 BIG EAST schools, sure. If you are trying to sell me that, the ACC was better in the 90's, then maybe. If you're trying to tell me that the ACC, as a whole, was better in the 80's or last decade or so of the BIG EAST (prior to SU and Pitt leaving), then you clearly don't watch basketball - at least not non-ACC basketball.

The ACC outlived the BIG EAST because it was way older. ACC shools have 100+ years of history. Many BIG EAST schools had ~10 years of history. Why do schools like UNC and UVA want to play Wake? It's not because of Wake's great teams or legions of fans. It's because of the history. That ties the conference together in a way that schools like Miami and Virginia Tech weren't tied to the BIG EAST.

And, had those two schools stayed, the BIG EAST would have held together (BC and SU wouldn't have bolted w/o Miami).

You can pretend otherwise, but the ACC was perennially overrated, and still not overly impressive. I'll take PC over 2/3rds of the old ACC in basketball most years.

That said, there 100% has been a general revival of the conference after the most recent raid - in both football and basketball. Pretty much everybody is playing better. And, the current ACC is the best basketball conference ever put together, and it's a very good football conference IMHO.

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The oBe had 17 teams. The ACC has 15. Boeheim's math is pretty good.

(10-16-2016 08:10 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  The oBe had 17 teams. The ACC has 15. Boeheim's math is pretty good.

*16

CATHOLIC SCHOOLS W/O FB (7)
PC
St. John's
Seton Hall
'Nova
Georgetown
Marquette
De Paul

FOOTBALL INDY (1)
Notre Dame

FOOTBALL (8)
UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pitt
WVU/Temple (Temple instead of WVU for 1 year)
Cinci
Louisville
USF

*TCU never played in the BIG EAST, and they never fully joined.

7 + 1 + 8 = 16

The ACC has a long and storied history. The BE has a short history.

(10-16-2016 08:53 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-16-2016 08:10 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  The oBe had 17 teams. The ACC has 15. Boeheim's math is pretty good.

*16

CATHOLIC SCHOOLS W/O FB (7)
PC
St. John's
Seton Hall
'Nova
Georgetown
Marquette
De Paul

FOOTBALL INDY (1)
Notre Dame

FOOTBALL (8)
UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pitt
WVU/Temple (Temple instead of WVU for 1 year)
Cinci
Louisville
USF

*TCU never played in the BIG EAST, and they never fully joined.

7 + 1 + 8 = 16

That makes his math look even better.

(10-16-2016 12:37 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(10-16-2016 08:53 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-16-2016 08:10 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  The oBe had 17 teams. The ACC has 15. Boeheim's math is pretty good.

*16

CATHOLIC SCHOOLS W/O FB (7)
PC
St. John's
Seton Hall
'Nova
Georgetown
Marquette
De Paul

FOOTBALL INDY (1)
Notre Dame

FOOTBALL (8)
UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pitt
WVU/Temple (Temple instead of WVU for 1 year)
Cinci
Louisville
USF

*TCU never played in the BIG EAST, and they never fully joined.

7 + 1 + 8 = 16

That makes his math look even better.

I'm not getting something.

(10-15-2016 03:02 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 10:50 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 10:05 PM)texasorange Wrote:  This thread has been as funny as hell to watch & read!!

The old ACC was great!!! UNC & Duke & UVA were awesome ball!!

But to me, the Big East was at its best when I was young...
https://youtu.be/bp1w4kvkbA8

The ACC historically is the best basketball conference. The Dixie Classic, The Big Four, the ACC Tournament. Everett Case, Frank McG, Bones McKinney, Dean Smith, Norm Sloan, Terry Holland, Lefty Driesell. Cutting down the nets. CD Chesley, Sail with the Pilot. The Big East had some great teams and was strong for several years, but the ACC was here long before the BE ever existed and is still here today, while the BE is a shadow of it's old self.

That's just it. The ACC was older. That's why it survived.

But the ACC never could match the boxing match brawls that were BIG EAST game, nor are the lights as bright in Greensboro as they are in MSG.

Beyond that, though, the story lines were never as good. That's not to say that the ACC didn't have good stories, nor is it to say that the ACC didn't have great stories back in the day. But from 1980 on, the BIG EAST had a better story more years than not. I also think that it had a better average product more years than not, but I'm not going to open that can of worms w/ anybody.

I have boxer shorts older than that.

(10-18-2016 05:25 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 03:02 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-15-2016 10:50 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 10:05 PM)texasorange Wrote:  This thread has been as funny as hell to watch & read!!

The old ACC was great!!! UNC & Duke & UVA were awesome ball!!

But to me, the Big East was at its best when I was young...
https://youtu.be/bp1w4kvkbA8

The ACC historically is the best basketball conference. The Dixie Classic, The Big Four, the ACC Tournament. Everett Case, Frank McG, Bones McKinney, Dean Smith, Norm Sloan, Terry Holland, Lefty Driesell. Cutting down the nets. CD Chesley, Sail with the Pilot. The Big East had some great teams and was strong for several years, but the ACC was here long before the BE ever existed and is still here today, while the BE is a shadow of it's old self.

That's just it. The ACC was older. That's why it survived.

But the ACC never could match the boxing match brawls that were BIG EAST game, nor are the lights as bright in Greensboro as they are in MSG.

Beyond that, though, the story lines were never as good. That's not to say that the ACC didn't have good stories, nor is it to say that the ACC didn't have great stories back in the day. But from 1980 on, the BIG EAST had a better story more years than not. I also think that it had a better average product more years than not, but I'm not going to open that can of worms w/ anybody.

I have boxer shorts older than that.

I don't know what you want me to say. The BIG EAST was founded in '79-80. Going back before the '80's doesn't make sense. Also, change your underwear.

I agree the acc is a monster but will nd join all in or will they add conn all sports to get to 16

(10-20-2016 01:28 PM)UConn to the Beast Wrote:  I agree the acc is a monster but will nd join all in or will they add conn all sports to get to 16

If the ACC network becomes Big enough I suppose it could justify adding UConn and/or Cincinnati, but that's a few years away (and requires deregulation to pass).


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