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RE: D-II/D-III/NAIA movement
(11-28-2017 09:39 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 09:12 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  As large as they want to be, it seems inevitable that they will have competitive sports. But how to get there? Seems very difficult. I can't recall any programs off hand who *launched* into NCAA D2. Yet that's the obvious place for them, in the PacWest. Are D2 conferences allowed to have associate members? They could start in USCAA or NAIA and be associate members of the PacWest without postseason access while they boot up their program, and when they are ready apply to the NCAA. Being in Hawaii it wouldn't be that hard to attract a good amount of pre-conference competitors, but it would be pretty tough to fill a full schedule without being in a conference.

D2 may or may not have rules directly about that type of membership but there are rules that make it difficult. All teams must play a minimum number of D2 competitions to qualify for postseason and there is a list of programs that the NCAA will not recognize as valid competitions. Ex: any football game against any College of Faith team is essentially viewed by the NCAA as an exhibition, win/lose and all team and individual stats are thrown out.

There is one school that they allow as an associate member without post season play. That school is Apprentice. It is a trade school, and not a college or university. They are 4 year, and have athletics to play.

As for test Pilot? I was on the NCAA site, and they had Alaska Pacific as a test pilot for D1. The only sport they had as varsity is skiing. They don't have much of anything else.
11-29-2017 03:33 AM
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RE: D-II/D-III/NAIA movement
(11-29-2017 03:33 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 09:39 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 09:12 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  As large as they want to be, it seems inevitable that they will have competitive sports. But how to get there? Seems very difficult. I can't recall any programs off hand who *launched* into NCAA D2. Yet that's the obvious place for them, in the PacWest. Are D2 conferences allowed to have associate members? They could start in USCAA or NAIA and be associate members of the PacWest without postseason access while they boot up their program, and when they are ready apply to the NCAA. Being in Hawaii it wouldn't be that hard to attract a good amount of pre-conference competitors, but it would be pretty tough to fill a full schedule without being in a conference.

D2 may or may not have rules directly about that type of membership but there are rules that make it difficult. All teams must play a minimum number of D2 competitions to qualify for postseason and there is a list of programs that the NCAA will not recognize as valid competitions. Ex: any football game against any College of Faith team is essentially viewed by the NCAA as an exhibition, win/lose and all team and individual stats are thrown out.

There is one school that they allow as an associate member without post season play. That school is Apprentice. It is a trade school, and not a college or university. They are 4 year, and have athletics to play.

As for test Pilot? I was on the NCAA site, and they had Alaska Pacific as a test pilot for D1. The only sport they had as varsity is skiing. They don't have much of anything else.

We are talking about D2 policies, each division has rules unique to them. Apprentice does not award degrees therefore is not allowed to be affiliated in any way with NCAA or NAIA. The NCAA allowing its members to play them in countable contests does not mean they are an associate member or any other type of member.

Did you not read the thread where that was discussed. That is a placeholder or programmer error. It is on almost every page with a different entry for each division. There is no test pilot program, and there is no way they would have one in D1 for a school with 700 students and no official athletics department.
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RE: D-II/D-III/NAIA movement
(09-11-2017 11:15 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 03:04 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Humboldt State football is in jeopardy:

http://www.times-standard.com/article/NJ.../170909863

That would put the GNAC at four football members. Which would be further pressure for APU (and Central Washington?) to go D1. Western Oregon back to the NAIA? Don't know what to think about Simon Fraser.

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http://www.omaha.com/news/metro/grace-un...eb7cc.html


Grace University in Nebraska who was considered one of the candidates to become NAIA member is closing their doors after the 2017-2018 school year. they bought the old Dana campus, and that went to waste.
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Guess that puts a nail in Grace getting a Big East invite. Would have been a great travel partner with Creighton
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http://www.easttexasmatters.com/sports/u.../909142128

UT Tyler preparing an application to join D2. Currently they play in the D3 American Southwest Conference.
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(01-11-2018 07:19 PM)RandomFan Wrote:  http://www.easttexasmatters.com/sports/u.../909142128

UT Tyler preparing an application to join D2. Currently they play in the D3 American Southwest Conference.

So, could be going to the Lone Star Conference? Perhaps that is why the one school left out of the LSC and Heartland happened?
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Benedictine (Illinois) officially applies for move to D2.

https://thecandor.wordpress.com/2018/01/...vision-ii/
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(01-16-2018 03:33 PM)RandomFan Wrote:  Benedictine (Illinois) officially applies for move to D2.

https://thecandor.wordpress.com/2018/01/...vision-ii/

Interesting that their University Planning Council recommended against the move, but they are doing it anyway.
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RE: D-II/D-III/NAIA movement
A couple things to add here.

Within the past bunch of years the Georgia Board of Regents has consolidated quite a few institutions.
Georgia State University (D1) and Georgia Perimeter College (NJCAA) = Goergia State University (D1)
Waycross College (NJCAA) and South Goergia College (NJCAA) = South Georgia State College (NJCAA for now)
Macon State College (No Athletics) and Middle Georgia College (NJCAA) = Middle Georgia State College (NAIA)
Gainesville State College (No Athletics) and North Georgia State College and University (D2) = University of North Georgia (D2)
Augusta State University (D2) and Georgia Health Sciences University (No Athletics) = Georgia Regents University (until they were sued) = Augusta University (D2, except for golf)
Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College (NJCAA) and Bainbridge College (no athletics) = ABAC (NJCAA for now. They have multiple 4-year programs)
Georgia Southern (DII) and Armstrong State (DII) = Georgia Southern (D1)
Albany State University (DII) and Darton State (NJCAA) = Albany State (D2)
Kennesaw State (DI) and Southern Poly (NAIA) = Kennesaw State (D1)

Many of the other NJCAA schools in the state are moving to a hybrid system where they also offer 4 year degrees. The Technical College System is expanding their role and replacing the community colleges in many areas. A few of them play sports as part of the NJCAA's Georgia Collegiate Athletic Conference.

So in terms of movement, I would expect that there are a few more schools that would make the jump to NAIA in Georgia within the next few years. There might even be a school or two that drop from D2 to D3. I was talking to a senior admin at one of the public schools in the state who mentioned to me that their school is considering dropping to D3. The school has quite high academic standards and the discussion has started. One sticking point is that the fee to submit the application is above 100k!



On a side note, I am a NJCAA cross country coach. We compete against NJCAA, NAIA, D3, and D2. Schools. By and large the difference between a NAIA school and D2 in cross country depends on the amount of money for scholarships. There are a few really good NAIA schools (SCAD-Atlanta comes to mind) but also some really bad ones. There are some good D2 schools (Augusta, GCSU) and some really bad ones (FVSU, Paine). It depends on the amount of money a school is willing to spend.

One last thing. West Georgia has hinted at moves up to D1 for a while. They and UNA were good competition. With the deal that the A-Sun and the Big South have, they also might make the move. Recently, they hired away the Cross Country coach from Mercer.
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