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(10-04-2016 04:59 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-04-2016 04:43 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  NAIA due are $7500 yearly, D2 is around $15k if I remember correctly. Conference dues I have not idea about but NAIA states average is around $9500.

http://www.naia.org/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_...=205323010

Thanks, I would be interested in knowing your source. I had been told that D2 fees were around $1000 (with a LOT of expenses elsewhere). When the recent wave of NAIA to D2 migration started a lot of administrators were pumping the simplistic view that NCAA was cheaper simply because their fees were cheaper. But that may have changed...

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/...ctions.pdf

exactly amount yearly is $14,900.
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(10-03-2016 01:07 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(10-03-2016 12:45 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Interesting. However, move from D2 to NAIA is not 'dropping' down. NAIA and D2 are pretty much the same. While some D2 school get some NCAA $$, the annual fees wipe most of that out. NAIA fees are much cheaper.
In addition, I found that the most schools in the NAIA and D2 are the same level of competition. NAIA also lets you focus on 6 sports rather than 10.

They only difference in scholarships between the D2 and NAIA is that D2 allow 36 equivalent for football and NAIA allows 24 equivalent

D2 academics are much better. You can recruit some real sketchy academics at NAIAs. Ask Lindendwood how its been going from NAIA powerhouse to D2. They could take chances on lots of players who were D1 talent but couldn't come close academically.
Grandview in Des Moines is notorious for this too. I love watching them play though because they got a few cyclones as coaches.
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RE: D-II/D-III/NAIA movement
Speaking of DIII: I've long advocated that the WIAC schools should be forced up to DII.

Patently unfair that they get to compete with small private colleges. The Northern Sun schools are who they should be competing against.


Lots of things I want will never happen ...
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(10-04-2016 06:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(10-04-2016 04:59 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-04-2016 04:43 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  NAIA due are $7500 yearly, D2 is around $15k if I remember correctly. Conference dues I have not idea about but NAIA states average is around $9500.

http://www.naia.org/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_...=205323010

Thanks, I would be interested in knowing your source. I had been told that D2 fees were around $1000 (with a LOT of expenses elsewhere). When the recent wave of NAIA to D2 migration started a lot of administrators were pumping the simplistic view that NCAA was cheaper simply because their fees were cheaper. But that may have changed...

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/...ctions.pdf

exactly amount yearly is $14,900.

We might be talking about different things. That's the application process fee:

"An additional fee of $14,900 for the membership process and NCAA annual dues is required following the first two years of the Division II membership process. An additional $14,900 shall be due every year thereafter until the institution is accepted into active Division II status or withdraws from the Division II membership process."

I was referring to the actual fee paid for membership once membership is attained.
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Isn't travel the main consideration for schools at the NAIA/DII level?

Without the revenues they want as tight as footprint as possible.
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(10-04-2016 06:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Isn't travel the main consideration for schools at the NAIA/DII level?

Without the revenues they want as tight as footprint as possible.

It's a big consideration, but not the only one.
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(10-04-2016 06:26 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-04-2016 06:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(10-04-2016 04:59 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-04-2016 04:43 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  NAIA due are $7500 yearly, D2 is around $15k if I remember correctly. Conference dues I have not idea about but NAIA states average is around $9500.

http://www.naia.org/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_...=205323010

Thanks, I would be interested in knowing your source. I had been told that D2 fees were around $1000 (with a LOT of expenses elsewhere). When the recent wave of NAIA to D2 migration started a lot of administrators were pumping the simplistic view that NCAA was cheaper simply because their fees were cheaper. But that may have changed...

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/...ctions.pdf

exactly amount yearly is $14,900.

We might be talking about different things. That's the application process fee:

"An additional fee of $14,900 for the membership process and NCAA annual dues is required following the first two years of the Division II membership process. An additional $14,900 shall be due every year thereafter until the institution is accepted into active Division II status or withdraws from the Division II membership process."

I was referring to the actual fee paid for membership once membership is attained.
Sorry you are correct. $900 annual dues for D2.
Saw that d3 is thinking about going to $1800 just like D1
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(10-04-2016 06:35 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-04-2016 06:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Isn't travel the main consideration for schools at the NAIA/DII level?

Without the revenues they want as tight as footprint as possible.

It's a big consideration, but not the only one.

One consideration is what conferences are around a school whether NAIA or D2.
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(10-04-2016 06:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Speaking of DIII: I've long advocated that the WIAC schools should be forced up to DII.

Patently unfair that they get to compete with small private colleges. The Northern Sun schools are who they should be competing against.


Lots of things I want will never happen ...

i don't know how true this is but I've heard the reason is because Wisconsin at Madison doesn't want that. They rather keep them in D3 with non scholarship players and try to convince Wisconsin talent to try and walk on their football team. They don't want to bump up schools to D2 and risk having a kid go on scholarship to river falls instead of walking on if they think the talent is there.

Again this is coming from my Minnesota state buddies, not sure if that's 100% true.
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(10-04-2016 05:48 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(10-04-2016 05:02 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-04-2016 04:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-04-2016 03:37 PM)fsquid Wrote:  THere is actually a movement of D2 schools going down to D3. Pfieffer, St. Anselm, Brevard come to mind.


Malone is moving down to D3. They have the largest football stadium in D2.

Dean College moved up from NJCAA to D3 this year.

Source please. They considered it before the G-MAC solidified itself with all those schools from the GLIAC. So I don't believe they are going anywhere. They also considered going back to the NAIA. But the G-MAC is pretty solid now.

Last year they said they were staying in DII

http://www.cantonrep.com/article/2015050.../150509734

Speculation over the Pioneers’ current NCAA status ended recently when the university’s board of trustees unanimously approved Malone’s decision to stay in Division II. The university was considering a drop to NCAA Division III.


The site that I got it from have corrected it to them staying at D2. They need to get the messages out better than they do. It is just like sources are saying so and so when the sources are not correct.
10-05-2016 08:05 AM
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