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5 team divisions
With the prospect of Big 12 expansion withering away, what are your ideas for two 5 team divisions for 2017?

I suggest:

WV, Texas, Tech, Baylor, TCU
Okla, Ok St, Kansas, K St, I St
10-01-2016 08:42 AM
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RE: 5 team divisions
They're not changing from 9 conf games, so divisions have no context.

The only reason divisions exist was because conference started growing too large for a full round-robin. So you play a round-robin against your division and the two division winners meet to figure out who wins the conference. That was the original point of divisions.


If they don't expand, then they should just take advantage of the rule that was specifically written for them to get a CCG with a guaranteed rematch between #1 v #2. And that will likely knock #2 out of contention for a CFP bowl.
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10-01-2016 09:11 AM
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RE: 5 team divisions
(10-01-2016 08:42 AM)westwolf Wrote:  With the prospect of Big 12 expansion withering away, what are your ideas for two 5 team divisions for 2017?

I suggest:

WV, Texas, Tech, Baylor, TCU
Okla, Ok St, Kansas, K St, I St

I think this has to be the divisions if they go that route. A "south" division and an Old Big 8 division.
10-01-2016 09:19 AM
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RE: 5 team divisions
(10-01-2016 09:19 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(10-01-2016 08:42 AM)westwolf Wrote:  With the prospect of Big 12 expansion withering away, what are your ideas for two 5 team divisions for 2017?

I suggest:

WV, Texas, Tech, Baylor, TCU
Okla, Ok St, Kansas, K St, I St

I think this has to be the divisions if they go that route. A "south" division and an Old Big 8 division.

Who cares!! No expansion = BIG XII on borrowed time!

Texas will blow up the conference with new version of SWC.
10-01-2016 11:05 AM
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RE: 5 team divisions
(10-01-2016 11:05 AM)PAC Power Wrote:  
(10-01-2016 09:19 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(10-01-2016 08:42 AM)westwolf Wrote:  With the prospect of Big 12 expansion withering away, what are your ideas for two 5 team divisions for 2017?

I suggest:

WV, Texas, Tech, Baylor, TCU
Okla, Ok St, Kansas, K St, I St

I think this has to be the divisions if they go that route. A "south" division and an Old Big 8 division.

Who cares!! No expansion = BIG XII on borrowed time!

Texas will blow up the conference with new version of SWC.

I agree. If the Big 12 cannot come to a consensus about expansion it clearly demonstrates that the league cannot work together. This conference will only remain a Power conference until Texas or Oklahoma decides to pull the plug and go elsewhere.
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RE: 5 team divisions
They could try something innovative and do a 7-game conference schedule (4-1-2) and require 3 high-profile non-conference games or something like that...
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There are only 55 other P5 schools counting Norte Dame. That would require the Big 12 to schedule 30 P5 opponents.


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RE: 5 team divisions
The P5 needs to become the P4. Each conference with 18 teams split into divisions of 9. Conf Championship games are essentially the first round of an 8 team playoff. Unfortunately it makes too much sense to ever happen.

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RE: 5 team divisions
(10-01-2016 11:21 AM)jhn31 Wrote:  They could try something innovative and do a 7-game conference schedule (4-1-2) and require 3 high-profile non-conference games or something like that...

that is what I have advocated for all along

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, WVU, ISU

OU, OkState, TCU, KU, KSU

with a fixed crossover game between the above and below teams

this keeps all the major rivalry games in tact, it is pretty balanced and it gets teams into Texas frequently

even with this the Big 12 would still have every team play every other team more frequently than any other conference and it reduces the chances of a repeat in the CCG down to near the same % as the PAC 12 playing 9 conference games and it would give the Big 12 the best POSSIBLE conference winning % of any other conference

as for the "number of P5 games" argument the Big 12 currently has every team playing as many or more P5 games as a number of SEC SEC SEC teams and the reality is there are several Big 12 teams that need to concern themselves with just getting some wins Vs scheduling for the playoffs any time soon

so really they would need about 8 or 10 additional "P5" type games at most

if they had an agreement for SCHEDULING ONLY with BYU for BYU to play half the conference every two years that would make it even better and WVU would be allowed to opt out of the BYU games if they wanted to schedule teams on the east coast where they recruit more heavily

they actually did play BYU this year along with MU so they will play 11 "P5" games this year so again the Big 12 does not have an issue with "number of P5 games" they have an issue with beating up on each other too much and driving down the potential for several teams to ever get traction and improve to even make a bowl game

if the ACC is forced to go to 2 P5 OOC games by ESPN (ESPN wanting to force them to 9 conference games) well that is more available P5 games right there especially for WVU and with the Big 10 and others moving away from D1-AA games that means they either pay MAC, Sunbelt, AAC, MWC and CUSA a lot of money for a one and done or a 2 for 1 as those conferences try and hold out for a bigger payment or it means some Big 10 teams realize they can do just as well financially scheduling a P5 home and home with other similar lesser programs in their respective conferences

there are Big 10 teams out there that will not see a massive financial windfall from buying in a game for $1.25 million or more

Indiana, Purdue, Illinois and Maryland as examples are only bringing in $10 to $16 million in ticket sales from ALL events and with basketball schools like Indiana especially that tells you that 6 or 7 football games a year are not bringing in more than $1 to $1.5 million or so a game if that so at some point you reach the limits on what you can pay for a buy in game every year
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RE: 5 team divisions
(10-03-2016 01:05 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  The P5 needs to become the P4. Each conference with 18 teams split into divisions of 9. Conf Championship games are essentially the first round of an 8 team playoff. Unfortunately it makes too much sense to ever happen.

I like the P4 model, but prefer 3 divisions of 6, with a Wild Card in each conference championship "tournament."
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RE: 5 team divisions
(10-03-2016 01:05 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  The P5 needs to become the P4. Each conference with 18 teams split into divisions of 9. Conf Championship games are essentially the first round of an 8 team playoff. Unfortunately it makes too much sense to ever happen.

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I think that is exactly what is going to happen, which would be 72 total. Right now, there are 65, including ND, so there would have to be 6 or 7 additions, at a minimum. All the usual suspects.

And it's not unrealistic that they go to 4x20, which would be 80 total.
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RE: 5 team divisions
If you're going to do 20, might as well do 22. With the inevitable 10 game conference schedule, that lets each of the 11 teams play all 10 others in the division, and then the division champion meets the other division champion in a guaranteed non-rematch.

Essentially two separate conferences that have a shared TV deal.
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(10-04-2016 09:37 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  If you're going to do 20, might as well do 22. With the inevitable 10 game conference schedule, that lets each of the 11 teams play all 10 others in the division, and then the division champion meets the other division champion in a guaranteed non-rematch.

Essentially two separate conferences that have a shared TV deal.

I think 20 is the limit. Teams still want to go to bowls, so I don't foresee a 10-game conference schedule.

But more than that, the P-whatever isn't letting that many more teams in, IMO.
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RE: 5 team divisions
You apparently missed the "10-game conference schedule is inevitable" thread. It's definitely coming. Only a matter of time.
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