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RE: Interesting Article on Idaho Drop-Down/FBS WAC
Central Oklahoma recently won the DI club hockey championship. It plays hockey in a league with OU, CU, CSU, Arizona, and Ariz St, so it's not a slouch league. If there was a rink that would seat 5000 people in OKC, DI hockey could be the way to go for UCO. Right now, it plays in the DII Mid-American conference, which is mostly Mizzou and Kansas teams. But it isn't much of a power even there. DI seems like a stretch, as Stillwater and Norman are too close to Edmund. If it was in Lawton or some city separate from the OKC metro area, could see it being DI.
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Interesting Article on Idaho Drop-Down/FBS WAC
UCO needs the Southland to split in half. Schools like Little Rock, Oral Roberts, Texas-Arlington, or even UMKC could be candidates for #15 and #16. If the WAC or Summit League get severely raided, then becoming a FCS conference may beat turning into the Great West.


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RE: Interesting Article on Idaho Drop-Down/FBS WAC
(10-14-2016 05:49 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 05:12 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 02:10 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(10-14-2016 01:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Cal.-San Diego 30,310
East Bay State 14,526
Humboldt State 7902
Simon Fraser 35,604
Western Washington 13,070
Central Washington 10,145
Western Oregon 6233
Azusa Pacific 9258
Eastern New Mexico 5574
Midwestern State 6093
UTPB 3600
West Texas A&M 8389
Tarleton State 13,020
Texas A&M-Commerce 12,013
Texas A&M-Kingsville 8783
Angelo State 8521
Western New Mexico 3820
Central Oklahoma 16,845 Rising
Fort Hays State 13,825
NE Oklahoma State 8548
Pittsburg State 7400
Nebraska-Kearney 7052
Mary, ND 2758
Sioux Falls 1576
Western State 2400
Dixie State 8570
Colorado Mesa 11,000
Colorado State-Pueblo 6805
Colorado Mines 5468
Black Hills State 4722
Fort Lewis 4000
New Mexico Highlands 3500
Chadron State 3000
South Dakota Mines 2640
SW Oklahoma State 5154
Oklahoma Baptist 2097
Missouri Western 5795
Missouri Southern 3561
Mankato State 15,649
Minn.-Duluth 11,729
Arkansas Tech 12,009

Most of these schools do have alums that could help with donations, and several of them have famous people that could help out. Some are in large populated towns that could support a move to D1. Central Oklahoma and others could get local businesses donations as well. That is how Dixie State got their money from donations to improve their facilities.

UCSD students already voted to go DI, but they are waiting on the Big West to offer, and that's without football.

Simon Fraser wants DI hockey. They aren't allowed to be a full DI school by rule.

Many on your list should offer DI hockey as an alternative to full DI.

Central Oklahoma already has a national power club hockey team. Hockey would be a good introduction to the DI world without all the expense. How is UCOK going to compete with the Sooners? Better to choose something where there isn't competition for $'s.

Minn-Duluth, St Cloud St, and Minn St-Mankato held back the NCC when it wanted to go DI back 20 years ago. They have had their chance and they are satisfied with being DI hockey schools.

Dixie St will probably get in a realigned Big Sky because they have would be rivals like UVU and S Utah. Most of the others should look at lacrosse and drop football. The Big Sky, WAC, and Slummit wouldn't even consider most of these schools unless they were desperate for survival.

Central Oklahoma might have some challenges at Division I-FCS, but Texas State University, now FBS, operated successfully at the FCS level for many years only 30 miles away (according to Google Maps) from the University of Texas. At around 40 miles away, Central Oklahoma is close, but still a little further away from the University of Oklahoma.

Based on a quick spot check, the Bronchos have had decent football attendance as a Division II program despite many disappointing season records. Attendance fluctuates, but with the exception of one season, highs ranged from over 6,000 to 8,500 in a 10,000 seat stadium for at least one home game each season since the 2010 season. Attendance at most of the games was below that, but playing a Division I-FCS schedule might help attendance. It would help with a record better than the following.

2010: 2-9 High attendance: 8,495
2011: 2-9 High attendance: 6,200
2012: 2-8 High attendance: 6,800
2013: 2-8 High attendance: 5,100
2014: 8-4 High attendance: 6,128
2015: 7-5 High attendance: 7,189
2016 to date: 1-5 High attendance: 6,218

Attendance and record source: http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/careersearch

With four SLC members within 400 miles, I think Central Oklahoma would be a better fit in the Southland Conference if that conference had need of another member in the future.

Would wager that Central Oklahoma students wear much more Sooner t-shirts than Texas St students wear Longhorn stuff. Much of whether a school should be DI is related to residential campuses, which have much more loyalty to their schools for life than commuter ones. Presume Texas St is residential oriented and Central Oklahoma is commuter based. It takes a long time for a formerly commuter school to get allegiances of their srudents.

But agree that if Central Oklahoma goes DI, the Southland is the obvious and practically only target.


Southland wanted Central Oklahoma to join before Central Arkansas.

Lawton already have Cameron at D2, but no football.

Rogers State in Oklahoma is thinking of adding football.

As for Oklahoma? They are a very large state, and not many D1 schools to help ease the travel costs. As it is, any basketball and other sports except for football is exhibition than for stats.
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RE: Interesting Article on Idaho Drop-Down/FBS WAC
(10-14-2016 08:41 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  UCO needs the Southland to split in half. Schools like Little Rock, Oral Roberts, Texas-Arlington, or even UMKC could be candidates for #15 and #16. If the WAC or Summit League get severely raided, then becoming a FCS conference may beat turning into the Great West.


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Sam Houston State, SFA and Lamar could get a spot in FBS in the future.

Little Rock, Texas A&M-C.C., UAFS, UTA, Oral Roberts, UMKC and other non-football schools should formed a conference together.


Central Oklahoma, Arkansas Tech, Henderson State, Tarleton State, West Texas A&M, Texas A&M Commerce, Texas A&M Kingsville and Midwestern State and Angelo State all seemed to be on the radar for Southland. Missouri Southern and Delta State could be considered as well.
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RE: Interesting Article on Idaho Drop-Down/FBS WAC
(10-14-2016 08:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Central Oklahoma recently won the DI club hockey championship. It plays hockey in a league with OU, CU, CSU, Arizona, and Ariz St, so it's not a slouch league. If there was a rink that would seat 5000 people in OKC, DI hockey could be the way to go for UCO. Right now, it plays in the DII Mid-American conference, which is mostly Mizzou and Kansas teams. But it isn't much of a power even there. DI seems like a stretch, as Stillwater and Norman are too close to Edmund. If it was in Lawton or some city separate from the OKC metro area, could see it being DI.

The Jim Norick Arena located at the Oklahoma State Fairgrounds would come the closest. It's floor is 120' X 250'. It still has over 8,000 permanent seats.

There's the Cox Convention Center (formerly the Myriad) with seating for 13,399 and the Chesapeake Energy Arena with seating for 18,036. Those two may be too large. The Jim Norick Arena is old (built in 1965). Maybe it could be marketed as a throw-back arena. I saw some really good concerts there many years ago, but that was many years ago. 04-cheers I saw hockey games at the Cox Center (Myriad back then) also and had a great time.

As far as live crowd competition, OU is at or over capacity for every home game. Oklahoma State is near or at capacity. Stillwater is 50 miles away from Central Oklahoma. Edmond is on the north end of the Oklahoma City area so there might still be enough distance to separated it from the FBS programs. It's not like around the Houston area with FCS Texas Southern 1/2 mile from University of Houston and 5 miles from Rice or FCS Houston Baptist 13 miles away from UH and 9 miles from Rice. Additional competition would be with University of Texas and Texas A&M fans in the city.
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