(09-30-2016 12:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  here is the actual rule:
17.10.3.1 Exception -- Institutions That Compete in Hawaii. An institution that is scheduled to play a regular-season game in Hawaii may play its first permissible contest with outside competition on the Saturday prior to the Thursday preceding Labor Day. If the institution's first opponent of the season is not a member institution located in Hawaii, the institution’s first opponent of the season may also play its first contest (game or scrimmage) with outside competition on the Saturday prior to the Thursday preceding Labor Day.

there is nothing in there regarding having to play 13 games. They can, but aren't required to.

I stand corrected! I really thought the exception was conditioned on playing the 13th game. Apparently the week 0 exemption and 13th game exception are separate provisions. Thank you stever for setting the record straight. And apologies to MplsBison, you had it right.

(09-29-2016 11:37 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

I didn't realize Hawaii has home games vs Alabama, Washington, Arizona St and UCLA next season? This cannot be right^?
Cheers!

Fortunately it's not. Hawaii's home OOC games next year are against Western Carolina (FCS) and BYU. It's possible one more will be scheduled.

However Hawaii does have home conference games against San Jose State, Colorado State, Fresno State and San Diego State. Under the NCAA's expanded Hawaii exemption, playing at Hawaii entitles each of those schools to not only play a 13th game, but also to play one of its 13 games on the Saturday preceding the first weekend of the regular season (so that scheduling the 13th game doesn't force it to give up a bye week). So theoretically each of them could move an already-scheduled payday game against a big-name opponent to that "Kick-Off Saturday", be seen by a much larger audience (which in my view should entitle the home team to more TV cash, a portion of which should be shared with the MWC opponent), and backfill with a home or away game against a 13th opponent. That's what stever is suggesting.

What Stever is suggesting is 3 teams who do not play at Hawaii next year host home games vs schools that do in zero week. If you don't play at Hawaii how can you host games in 0 week? That's the part I don't understand.
Cheers!

(09-30-2016 08:49 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 11:37 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

I didn't realize Hawaii has home games vs Alabama, Washington, Arizona St and UCLA next season? This cannot be right^?
Cheers!

Fortunately it's not. Hawaii's home OOC games next year are against Western Carolina (FCS) and BYU. It's possible one more will be scheduled.

However Hawaii does have home conference games against San Jose State, Colorado State, Fresno State and San Diego State. Under the NCAA's expanded Hawaii exemption, playing at Hawaii entitles each of those schools to not only play a 13th game, but also to play one of its 13 games on the Saturday preceding the first weekend of the regular season (so that scheduling the 13th game doesn't force it to give up a bye week). So theoretically each of them could move an already-scheduled payday game against a big-name opponent to that "Kick-Off Saturday", be seen by a much larger audience (which in my view should entitle the home team to more TV cash, a portion of which should be shared with the MWC opponent), and backfill with a home or away game against a 13th opponent. That's what stever is suggesting.

What Stever is suggesting is 3 teams who do not play at Hawaii next year host home games vs schools that do in zero week. If you don't play at Hawaii how can you host games in 0 week? That's the part I don't understand.
Cheers!

The rule allows the team that plays at Hawaii to play a thirteenth game, and to play it in Week 0. To do that, their opponent must of course also be allowed to play in Week 0, albeit as one of their 12 games. The rule doesn't specify that the team that gets to play the 13th game must be the host of that Week 0 game. So it makes sense to have the more attractive team (from a media standpoint) just move its already scheduled home game to Week 0 where it would be a bigger ratings winner than some lesser opponent would have been.

Another consideration for someone like Alabama is that, since they are still only playing 12 games, moving to Week 0 means they get an additional bye week during the season.

(09-30-2016 09:03 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-30-2016 08:49 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 11:37 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

I didn't realize Hawaii has home games vs Alabama, Washington, Arizona St and UCLA next season? This cannot be right^?
Cheers!

Fortunately it's not. Hawaii's home OOC games next year are against Western Carolina (FCS) and BYU. It's possible one more will be scheduled.

However Hawaii does have home conference games against San Jose State, Colorado State, Fresno State and San Diego State. Under the NCAA's expanded Hawaii exemption, playing at Hawaii entitles each of those schools to not only play a 13th game, but also to play one of its 13 games on the Saturday preceding the first weekend of the regular season (so that scheduling the 13th game doesn't force it to give up a bye week). So theoretically each of them could move an already-scheduled payday game against a big-name opponent to that "Kick-Off Saturday", be seen by a much larger audience (which in my view should entitle the home team to more TV cash, a portion of which should be shared with the MWC opponent), and backfill with a home or away game against a 13th opponent. That's what stever is suggesting.

What Stever is suggesting is 3 teams who do not play at Hawaii next year host home games vs schools that do in zero week. If you don't play at Hawaii how can you host games in 0 week? That's the part I don't understand.
Cheers!

The rule allows the team that plays at Hawaii to play a thirteenth game, and to play it in Week 0. To do that, their opponent must of course also be allowed to play in Week 0, albeit as one of their 12 games. The rule doesn't specify that the team that gets to play the 13th game must be the host of that Week 0 game. So it makes sense to have the more attractive team (from a media standpoint) just move its already scheduled home game to Week 0 where it would be a bigger ratings winner than some lesser opponent would have been.

Another consideration for someone like Alabama is that, since they are still only playing 12 games, moving to Week 0 means they get an additional bye week during the season.

There is NOTHING in the rule about 13 game. The rule is if you play a game in Hawaii during the season, you are allowed to play a game in week 0- against anyone on your schedule.

(09-30-2016 09:19 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-30-2016 09:03 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-30-2016 08:49 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 11:37 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I didn't realize Hawaii has home games vs Alabama, Washington, Arizona St and UCLA next season? This cannot be right^?
Cheers!

Fortunately it's not. Hawaii's home OOC games next year are against Western Carolina (FCS) and BYU. It's possible one more will be scheduled.

However Hawaii does have home conference games against San Jose State, Colorado State, Fresno State and San Diego State. Under the NCAA's expanded Hawaii exemption, playing at Hawaii entitles each of those schools to not only play a 13th game, but also to play one of its 13 games on the Saturday preceding the first weekend of the regular season (so that scheduling the 13th game doesn't force it to give up a bye week). So theoretically each of them could move an already-scheduled payday game against a big-name opponent to that "Kick-Off Saturday", be seen by a much larger audience (which in my view should entitle the home team to more TV cash, a portion of which should be shared with the MWC opponent), and backfill with a home or away game against a 13th opponent. That's what stever is suggesting.

What Stever is suggesting is 3 teams who do not play at Hawaii next year host home games vs schools that do in zero week. If you don't play at Hawaii how can you host games in 0 week? That's the part I don't understand.
Cheers!

The rule allows the team that plays at Hawaii to play a thirteenth game, and to play it in Week 0. To do that, their opponent must of course also be allowed to play in Week 0, albeit as one of their 12 games. The rule doesn't specify that the team that gets to play the 13th game must be the host of that Week 0 game. So it makes sense to have the more attractive team (from a media standpoint) just move its already scheduled home game to Week 0 where it would be a bigger ratings winner than some lesser opponent would have been.

Another consideration for someone like Alabama is that, since they are still only playing 12 games, moving to Week 0 means they get an additional bye week during the season.

There is NOTHING in the rule about 13 game. The rule is if you play a game in Hawaii during the season, you are allowed to play a game in week 0- against anyone on your schedule.

You are right. This rule doesn't give you a 13th game. A different rule, already on the books, allows you to do that. This rule just lets you play one of them in Week 0. That enables you to still have a bye week during the regular season, which you would lose in years when the calendar only allows for a 13 week season prior to CCG weekend. Some schools in the past have opted not to take advantage of the 13 game exception rather than give up the bye week.

A bigger reason for Alabama to have a game moved to week 0 is like next year....

How much of an advantage would it be for Alabama to have a game under their belts prior to playing Florida St? Get the kinks out week 0.

(09-30-2016 09:30 AM)stever20 Wrote:  A bigger reason for Alabama to have a game moved to week 0 is like next year....

How much of an advantage would it be for Alabama to have a game under their belts prior to playing Florida St? Get the kinks out week 0.

I can already hear the Noles fans screaming "unfair!" if that happens! No good deed goes unpunished.

(09-30-2016 09:32 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-30-2016 09:30 AM)stever20 Wrote:  A bigger reason for Alabama to have a game moved to week 0 is like next year....

How much of an advantage would it be for Alabama to have a game under their belts prior to playing Florida St? Get the kinks out week 0.

I can already hear the Noles fans screaming "unfair!" if that happens! No good deed goes unpunished.

Hey, FSU can offer one of the schools who has 12 games a game in week 0 if they would like. Imagine San Diego St @ Florida St.

(09-30-2016 09:34 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-30-2016 09:32 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-30-2016 09:30 AM)stever20 Wrote:  A bigger reason for Alabama to have a game moved to week 0 is like next year....

How much of an advantage would it be for Alabama to have a game under their belts prior to playing Florida St? Get the kinks out week 0.

I can already hear the Noles fans screaming "unfair!" if that happens! No good deed goes unpunished.

Hey, FSU can offer one of the schools who has 12 games a game in week 0 if they would like. Imagine San Diego St @ Florida St.

Make it so!

FSU at the moment only has two OOC games scheduled for 2017 - Alabama and Florida.

(09-30-2016 09:52 AM)ken d Wrote:  FSU at the moment only has two OOC games scheduled for 2017 - Alabama and Florida.

One would think that FSU has two more games lined up but hasn't yet announced them. An FCS opponent can be lined up on short notice, but for any other game, it's really too close to the next season to still be looking for games.

It's good but also a little bad: playing week 0 puts you on film, while you have to guess what your opponent will do. Not a huge deal.