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RE: Meetings next week: 8+2 or 9+1 vote coming
I respectfully disagree. Under the 8+2 I believe it should only include current P5 members which ND is apart of. Not one reason to not schedule the service academies or AAC schools but they should not count towards the 8+2 or 9+1 requirements.
A cross division OOC game should always be the default if their is trouble scheduling other P5 teams from outside the Conference. It will take some planning and cooperation but in my opinion, a team is either P5 or they are not.
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(09-28-2016 09:01 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 03:19 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  8+2 with max of 1 cross division/OOC game.

The OOC designation can not be changed after the fact. If a Coastal team schedules BC OOC then loses to FSU and Clemson, they can't say we want the FSU game counted as OOC.

The OOC game should not have any effect on the conference rotation. If UNC decides to play Wake in Winston-Salem this year, the conference can still put UNC @ Wake next year.

Some G5 teams should qualify for the +2 designation. ECU, Cincy, BYU, Boise, etc.

Yes...some G5 like The Service academies, BYU and the AAC...

American Athletic Conference is putting up better numbers against the P5s than the Big XII... just sayin'
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(09-28-2016 09:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 09:01 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 03:19 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  8+2 with max of 1 cross division/OOC game.

The OOC designation can not be changed after the fact. If a Coastal team schedules BC OOC then loses to FSU and Clemson, they can't say we want the FSU game counted as OOC.

The OOC game should not have any effect on the conference rotation. If UNC decides to play Wake in Winston-Salem this year, the conference can still put UNC @ Wake next year.

Some G5 teams should qualify for the +2 designation. ECU, Cincy, BYU, Boise, etc.

Yes...some G5 like The Service academies, BYU and the AAC...

American Athletic Conference is putting up better numbers against the P5s than the Big XII... just sayin'

It's a great point but the purpose of the requirement is the network. If you include the AAC and Service Academies might as well go 9+1. Could be what ESPN says as well. If 8+2 is the preferred number, then IMO, it will carry a P5 exclusive requirement.
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(09-28-2016 07:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  whatever makes our scheduling departments job easier is what id prefer since we are one of the few who still have games to schedule in '17 and '18. My own guess is that 8+2 is a 70 % favorite to pass with the 30 % going to 9 games would be giving clemson fsu ,Georgia tech AND lOUISVILLE a 2nd permanent rival that they care about enough to take the restricting this would do to those teams out of conference schedule

And who exactly would that be? Name the Coastal Division school that has the track record of being a major draw. Miami could be. but after a decade of mediocrity they have a lot to prove. Other than that you have mediocre or worse choices.
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I think it was Nick Sabah who said that when he coached in the NFL all the teams he coached against were NFL teams.
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8+2 however if teams cannot schedule OOC P5 games outside the ACC, then 9+1!
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(09-28-2016 09:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 07:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  whatever makes our scheduling departments job easier is what id prefer since we are one of the few who still have games to schedule in '17 and '18. My own guess is that 8+2 is a 70 % favorite to pass with the 30 % going to 9 games would be giving clemson fsu ,Georgia tech AND lOUISVILLE a 2nd permanent rival that they care about enough to take the restricting this would do to those teams out of conference schedule

And who exactly would that be? Name the Coastal Division school that has the track record of being a major draw. Miami could be. but after a decade of mediocrity they have a lot to prove. Other than that you have mediocre or worse choices.

If 9+1 were forced upon the ACC teams, Clemson should get either Miami or VT every year as compensation. Likewise, FSU should get GT, Louisville should get VT, etc. JMO though, and I still prefer 8+2.
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RE: Meetings next week: 8+2 or 9+1 vote coming
(09-28-2016 09:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 09:01 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 03:19 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  8+2 with max of 1 cross division/OOC game.

The OOC designation can not be changed after the fact. If a Coastal team schedules BC OOC then loses to FSU and Clemson, they can't say we want the FSU game counted as OOC.

The OOC game should not have any effect on the conference rotation. If UNC decides to play Wake in Winston-Salem this year, the conference can still put UNC @ Wake next year.

Some G5 teams should qualify for the +2 designation. ECU, Cincy, BYU, Boise, etc.

Yes...some G5 like The Service academies, BYU and the AAC...

American Athletic Conference is putting up better numbers against the P5s than the Big XII... just sayin'

Yes, Houston, Cincinnati, ECU, USF, UCF etc...etc...are pretty much mid to low tier P5 programs...
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RE: Meetings next week: 8+2 or 9+1 vote coming
(09-28-2016 10:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 09:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 07:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  whatever makes our scheduling departments job easier is what id prefer since we are one of the few who still have games to schedule in '17 and '18. My own guess is that 8+2 is a 70 % favorite to pass with the 30 % going to 9 games would be giving clemson fsu ,Georgia tech AND lOUISVILLE a 2nd permanent rival that they care about enough to take the restricting this would do to those teams out of conference schedule

And who exactly would that be? Name the Coastal Division school that has the track record of being a major draw. Miami could be. but after a decade of mediocrity they have a lot to prove. Other than that you have mediocre or worse choices.

If 9+1 were forced upon the ACC teams, Clemson should get either Miami or VT every year as compensation. Likewise, FSU should get GT, Louisville should get VT, etc. JMO though, and I still prefer 8+2.

How about we give you one of those 2, two out of every three years?
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(09-29-2016 07:51 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 10:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If 9+1 were forced upon the ACC teams, Clemson should get either Miami or VT every year as compensation. Likewise, FSU should get GT, Louisville should get VT, etc. JMO though, and I still prefer 8+2.

How about we give you one of those 2, two out of every three years?

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(09-29-2016 08:31 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-29-2016 07:51 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 10:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If 9+1 were forced upon the ACC teams, Clemson should get either Miami or VT every year as compensation. Likewise, FSU should get GT, Louisville should get VT, etc. JMO though, and I still prefer 8+2.

How about we give you one of those 2, two out of every three years?

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(09-28-2016 09:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 07:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  whatever makes our scheduling departments job easier is what id prefer since we are one of the few who still have games to schedule in '17 and '18. My own guess is that 8+2 is a 70 % favorite to pass with the 30 % going to 9 games would be giving clemson fsu ,Georgia tech AND lOUISVILLE a 2nd permanent rival that they care about enough to take the restricting this would do to those teams out of conference schedule

And who exactly would that be? Name the Coastal Division school that has the track record of being a major draw. Miami could be. but after a decade of mediocrity they have a lot to prove. Other than that you have mediocre or worse choices.
VT or miami
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(09-29-2016 10:28 AM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 09:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 07:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  whatever makes our scheduling departments job easier is what id prefer since we are one of the few who still have games to schedule in '17 and '18. My own guess is that 8+2 is a 70 % favorite to pass with the 30 % going to 9 games would be giving clemson fsu ,Georgia tech AND lOUISVILLE a 2nd permanent rival that they care about enough to take the restricting this would do to those teams out of conference schedule

And who exactly would that be? Name the Coastal Division school that has the track record of being a major draw. Miami could be. but after a decade of mediocrity they have a lot to prove. Other than that you have mediocre or worse choices.
VT or miami

Vt and Miami would be decent as far as Clemson, but I do not want to give up the ability to play another big football school in exchange. It is something most Clemson fans expect yearly is to have another OOC national brand on the schedule.
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(09-29-2016 10:28 AM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 09:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 07:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  whatever makes our scheduling departments job easier is what id prefer since we are one of the few who still have games to schedule in '17 and '18. My own guess is that 8+2 is a 70 % favorite to pass with the 30 % going to 9 games would be giving clemson fsu ,Georgia tech AND lOUISVILLE a 2nd permanent rival that they care about enough to take the restricting this would do to those teams out of conference schedule

And who exactly would that be? Name the Coastal Division school that has the track record of being a major draw. Miami could be. but after a decade of mediocrity they have a lot to prove. Other than that you have mediocre or worse choices.
VT or miami

OK. Now show me how you are going to spread them out among the four schools you have listed.
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RE: Meetings next week: 8+2 or 9+1 vote coming
There will not be two main rivals in a 9-1 system.

You might get two secondary rivals that you switch every other year, but you will not get two primary rivals.

At 9-1 you MIGHT get this if you can find 8 who agree:

NCSU - Duke/UVa (partially restores NCSU/Duke - partially restores games in Va)
WF - UNC/VT (partially restores UNC - VT is physically closest outside the Triangle)
Duke - NCSU/Syracuse (partially restores NCSU/Duke - puts Duke in NY)
Syracuse - Miami/Duke (gives Syracuse more time with Miami)
Miami - Syracuse/Louisville (puts Syracuse in NY and against school with historic connections)
UNC - WF/Clemson (partially restores WF and Clemson games)
Clemson - UNC/UVa (should give Clemson more of the travelling crowds they like)
UVa - Clemson/NCSU (partially restores old series)
VT - WF/FSU (gives VT closest ACC school, and highest profile school)
FSU - VT/GT (gives FSU the traveling crowds and highest profiles in the Coastal they don't get with Miami)
Pitt - Louis/BC (restores to old Big East games in the NE)
GT - FSU/BC (gives GT closest ACC school after Clemson, and a New England exposure)
Louisville - Miami/Pitt (restores BE games, and restores historic ties between Miami and Louisville)
BC - Pitt/GT

However physics indicates that the least that can be done will be done, conserving energy you know, so 9-1 is more likely to result in 6 division games, 1 rival, and playing the other 6 every third year. 6-R-2/6ths instead of 6-2R-1, or 6-R-1/2-1/4
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(09-29-2016 10:45 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(09-29-2016 10:28 AM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 09:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 07:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  whatever makes our scheduling departments job easier is what id prefer since we are one of the few who still have games to schedule in '17 and '18. My own guess is that 8+2 is a 70 % favorite to pass with the 30 % going to 9 games would be giving clemson fsu ,Georgia tech AND lOUISVILLE a 2nd permanent rival that they care about enough to take the restricting this would do to those teams out of conference schedule

And who exactly would that be? Name the Coastal Division school that has the track record of being a major draw. Miami could be. but after a decade of mediocrity they have a lot to prove. Other than that you have mediocre or worse choices.
VT or miami

Vt and Miami would be decent as far as Clemson, but I do not want to give up the ability to play another big football school in exchange. It is something most Clemson fans expect yearly is to have another OOC national brand on the schedule.

Except your choice in the matter is constrained in part by what UVa and UNC want.

In the world that gives you two rivals that rotate every other year in addition to your current rival, you might get to pick one, maybe. Then you will get stuck with who the conference thinks makes the best television or fills the stadiums that are not full.
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RE: Meetings next week: 8+2 or 9+1 vote coming
I'll believe 9-1 when I see it.

I'll believe 8-2 with no AAC schools, service academies, or BYU, when I see it.

Be damn glad that the ACC can argue in private like adults instead of what the B12 does as they show their ass to the world.
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(09-29-2016 11:05 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  There will not be two main rivals in a 9-1 system.

You might get two secondary rivals that you switch every other year, but you will not get two primary rivals.

At 9-1 you MIGHT get this if you can find 8 who agree:

NCSU - Duke/UVa (partially restores NCSU/Duke - partially restores games in Va)
WF - UNC/VT (partially restores UNC - VT is physically closest outside the Triangle)
Duke - NCSU/Syracuse (partially restores NCSU/Duke - puts Duke in NY)
Syracuse - Miami/Duke (gives Syracuse more time with Miami)
Miami - Syracuse/Louisville (puts Syracuse in NY and against school with historic connections)
UNC - WF/Clemson (partially restores WF and Clemson games)
Clemson - UNC/UVa (should give Clemson more of the travelling crowds they like)
UVa - Clemson/NCSU (partially restores old series)
VT - WF/FSU (gives VT closest ACC school, and highest profile school)
FSU - VT/GT (gives FSU the traveling crowds and highest profiles in the Coastal they don't get with Miami)
Pitt - Louis/BC (restores to old Big East games in the NE)
GT - FSU/BC (gives GT closest ACC school after Clemson, and a New England exposure)
Louisville - Miami/Pitt (restores BE games, and restores historic ties between Miami and Louisville)
BC - Pitt/GT

However physics indicates that the least that can be done will be done, conserving energy you know, so 9-1 is more likely to result in 6 division games, 1 rival, and playing the other 6 every third year. 6-R-2/6ths instead of 6-2R-1, or 6-R-1/2-1/4

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How about this?

If it's 9 games with 1 annual, 2 semi-annual, and 4 rotating...

Team, annual, 1/2 rotation
Syracuse: Pitt; GT/Miami
Boston College: VT; Pitt/Duke
Louisville: Virginia; Pitt/VT
Wake Forest: Duke; UVA/UNC
NC State: UNC; UVA/Duke
Clemson: GT; VT/Miami
FSU: Miami; GT/UNC
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(09-29-2016 11:25 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-29-2016 11:05 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  There will not be two main rivals in a 9-1 system.

You might get two secondary rivals that you switch every other year, but you will not get two primary rivals.

At 9-1 you MIGHT get this if you can find 8 who agree:

NCSU - Duke/UVa (partially restores NCSU/Duke - partially restores games in Va)
WF - UNC/VT (partially restores UNC - VT is physically closest outside the Triangle)
Duke - NCSU/Syracuse (partially restores NCSU/Duke - puts Duke in NY)
Syracuse - Miami/Duke (gives Syracuse more time with Miami)
Miami - Syracuse/Louisville (puts Syracuse in NY and against school with historic connections)
UNC - WF/Clemson (partially restores WF and Clemson games)
Clemson - UNC/UVa (should give Clemson more of the travelling crowds they like)
UVa - Clemson/NCSU (partially restores old series)
VT - WF/FSU (gives VT closest ACC school, and highest profile school)
FSU - VT/GT (gives FSU the traveling crowds and highest profiles in the Coastal they don't get with Miami)
Pitt - Louis/BC (restores to old Big East games in the NE)
GT - FSU/BC (gives GT closest ACC school after Clemson, and a New England exposure)
Louisville - Miami/Pitt (restores BE games, and restores historic ties between Miami and Louisville)
BC - Pitt/GT

However physics indicates that the least that can be done will be done, conserving energy you know, so 9-1 is more likely to result in 6 division games, 1 rival, and playing the other 6 every third year. 6-R-2/6ths instead of 6-2R-1, or 6-R-1/2-1/4

03-lmfao

That joke is so good you need your own show on Comedy Central.

Kap, isn't that your obsession - the desire for people to travel to Clemson every other year despite the fact that unless you have a mountain or lake house in SW NC or the upstate you are in bum ****?

A trip to Clemson once every 5-6 years is fine, and everyone needs to go once during a nice fall day, but get real, it's not THAT great. Only Miami, Boston College, and GT, are in great locations for a trip. Charlottesville is great if you want to see Monticello. Louisville is not bad, but the rest of the conference sucks from a destination standpoint. The Research Triangle is exciting as watching snow melt. Winston Salem is good for a half day trip to Old Salem at Christmas. Blacksburg is not in the really nice mountains, and Roanoke is an old **** railroad town. Syracuse stinks except for a few weeks in the Fall and getting to Tallahassee is akin to finding an airline ticket to North Korea.

Now that you mention it, maybe fans of UVa and UNC have seen enough greater Greenville/Spartanburg.
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