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If Big12 breaks up...
and four 16-team conferences emerge, there would be 10 open spots in the other four conferences. Pete Thamel's take:

http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-expansi...59914.html

Most interesting to us, is the discussion on the "Little 8", or the Big12 members not named Texas and Oklahoma.

Iowa State: It is in trouble, as it'd garner little major conference interest.

Kansas State: The Wildcats' football success and sparkling football facilities probably couldn't overcome their market.

Kansas: It'd have a chance, especially because it's an AAU school. But its football program is the worst among Power Five schools. Athletic director Sheahon Zenger's hires of Charlie Weis and David Beaty have been disastrous.

Oklahoma State: Is Oklahoma still politically obligated to let the Cowboys tag along? That's their best chance, especially because they don't have a coveted market.

TCU: It has arguably positioned itself as the third-most attractive program in the Big 12 in a short period of time.

Baylor: The Bears may be in the biggest trouble. They have no market, little history and a rancid past year of off-field issues.

Texas Tech: Its best bet is being politically tethered to Texas. But can you imagine Tech in, say, the ACC if Texas went that direction?

West Virginia: There aren't a whole lot of places for the Mountaineers to go. The ACC had little interest in them last time around.
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RE: If Big12 breaks up...
(09-27-2016 08:12 AM)Memphomaniac Wrote:  and four 16-team conferences emerge, there would be 10 open spots in the other four conferences. Pete Thamel's take:

http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-expansi...59914.html

Most interesting to us, is the discussion on the "Little 8", or the Big12 members not named Texas and Oklahoma.

Iowa State: It is in trouble, as it'd garner little major conference interest.

Kansas State: The Wildcats' football success and sparkling football facilities probably couldn't overcome their market.

Kansas: It'd have a chance, especially because it's an AAU school. But its football program is the worst among Power Five schools. Athletic director Sheahon Zenger's hires of Charlie Weis and David Beaty have been disastrous.

Oklahoma State: Is Oklahoma still politically obligated to let the Cowboys tag along? That's their best chance, especially because they don't have a coveted market.

TCU: It has arguably positioned itself as the third-most attractive program in the Big 12 in a short period of time.

Baylor: The Bears may be in the biggest trouble. They have no market, little history and a rancid past year of off-field issues.

Texas Tech: Its best bet is being politically tethered to Texas. But can you imagine Tech in, say, the ACC if Texas went that direction?

West Virginia: There aren't a whole lot of places for the Mountaineers to go. The ACC had little interest in them last time around.

Interesting!
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(09-27-2016 08:20 AM)DALLAS TIGER 78 Wrote:  
(09-27-2016 08:12 AM)Memphomaniac Wrote:  and four 16-team conferences emerge, there would be 10 open spots in the other four conferences. Pete Thamel's take:

http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-expansi...59914.html

Most interesting to us, is the discussion on the "Little 8", or the Big12 members not named Texas and Oklahoma.

Iowa State: It is in trouble, as it'd garner little major conference interest.

Kansas State: The Wildcats' football success and sparkling football facilities probably couldn't overcome their market.

Kansas: It'd have a chance, especially because it's an AAU school. But its football program is the worst among Power Five schools. Athletic director Sheahon Zenger's hires of Charlie Weis and David Beaty have been disastrous.

Oklahoma State: Is Oklahoma still politically obligated to let the Cowboys tag along? That's their best chance, especially because they don't have a coveted market.

TCU: It has arguably positioned itself as the third-most attractive program in the Big 12 in a short period of time.

Baylor: The Bears may be in the biggest trouble. They have no market, little history and a rancid past year of off-field issues.

Texas Tech: Its best bet is being politically tethered to Texas. But can you imagine Tech in, say, the ACC if Texas went that direction?

West Virginia: There aren't a whole lot of places for the Mountaineers to go. The ACC had little interest in them last time around.

Interesting!

I think this why you will see Herman as LSU coach next year.
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RE: If Big12 breaks up...
(09-27-2016 08:54 AM)2tigers Wrote:  
(09-27-2016 08:20 AM)DALLAS TIGER 78 Wrote:  
(09-27-2016 08:12 AM)Memphomaniac Wrote:  and four 16-team conferences emerge, there would be 10 open spots in the other four conferences. Pete Thamel's take:

http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-expansi...59914.html

Most interesting to us, is the discussion on the "Little 8", or the Big12 members not named Texas and Oklahoma.

Iowa State: It is in trouble, as it'd garner little major conference interest.

Kansas State: The Wildcats' football success and sparkling football facilities probably couldn't overcome their market.

Kansas: It'd have a chance, especially because it's an AAU school. But its football program is the worst among Power Five schools. Athletic director Sheahon Zenger's hires of Charlie Weis and David Beaty have been disastrous.

Oklahoma State: Is Oklahoma still politically obligated to let the Cowboys tag along? That's their best chance, especially because they don't have a coveted market.

TCU: It has arguably positioned itself as the third-most attractive program in the Big 12 in a short period of time.

Baylor: The Bears may be in the biggest trouble. They have no market, little history and a rancid past year of off-field issues.

Texas Tech: Its best bet is being politically tethered to Texas. But can you imagine Tech in, say, the ACC if Texas went that direction?

West Virginia: There aren't a whole lot of places for the Mountaineers to go. The ACC had little interest in them last time around.

Interesting!

I think this why you will see Herman as LSU coach next year.

It is always interesting to see how the coaching trees shake out at the end of the year. Herman has positioned himself to be at the top of every list. Every there are rumblings of Stoops being on the hot seat. Being off to a 1-2 start who knows how that could end. Either way, I agree that Herman will not be at Houston next year.
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RE: If Big12 breaks up...
(09-27-2016 08:12 AM)Memphomaniac Wrote:  and four 16-team conferences emerge, there would be 10 open spots in the other four conferences. Pete Thamel's take:

http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-expansi...59914.html

Most interesting to us, is the discussion on the "Little 8", or the Big12 members not named Texas and Oklahoma.

Iowa State: It is in trouble, as it'd garner little major conference interest.

Kansas State: The Wildcats' football success and sparkling football facilities probably couldn't overcome their market.

Kansas: It'd have a chance, especially because it's an AAU school. But its football program is the worst among Power Five schools. Athletic director Sheahon Zenger's hires of Charlie Weis and David Beaty have been disastrous.

Oklahoma State: Is Oklahoma still politically obligated to let the Cowboys tag along? That's their best chance, especially because they don't have a coveted market.

TCU: It has arguably positioned itself as the third-most attractive program in the Big 12 in a short period of time.

Baylor: The Bears may be in the biggest trouble. They have no market, little history and a rancid past year of off-field issues.

Texas Tech: Its best bet is being politically tethered to Texas. But can you imagine Tech in, say, the ACC if Texas went that direction?

West Virginia: There aren't a whole lot of places for the Mountaineers to go. The ACC had little interest in them last time around.

I believe thats fairly accurate. Kansas does have a decent market, and is AAU, but I believe the B1G and SEC would probably go elsewhere to a much larger market. The other schools not named Texas or Oklahoma are almost certainly screwed.
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RE: If Big12 breaks up...
very interesting. Big 12 wouldn't be a P5 anymore so getting in wouldn't be the same level of accomplishment - like when we got in the Big East
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(09-28-2016 12:13 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  very interesting. Big 12 wouldn't be a P5 anymore so getting in wouldn't be the same level of accomplishment - like when we got in the Big East

Yeah, I don't want to go to the BigXII without Texas and Oklahoma signing GOR extensions.
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RE: If Big12 breaks up...
I know Texas can write its own ticket anywhere it wants to go, but I don't think Oklahoma can do the same. Would the $EC or B1G want Oklahoma on its own? The ACC? Even the PAC-12?

Oklahoma is like Nebraska, except OU was never AAU, has a top 50 TV market in the state and the state is bigger. If the PAC-12 is told by UT that they'd come with Texas Tech instead of Oklahoma, would the PAC-12 protest?

Would the $EC want Oklahoma and its football history over North Carolina State or Virginia Tech and their respective much bigger (and actually southeastern states) and TV markets? If Texas left, OU could stay in the Big XII, dominate the league, and open up an easier path to the playoff.

Texas could go, and the Big XII, though losing its best asset, could still be a force as a power conference.
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we just can't get over the big 12...
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It would be ironic if the American teams stay put. We may be the last safe harbor.
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(09-28-2016 09:03 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  we just can't get over the big 12...

Basically because there is a really good chance that the long term survival of our football program is dependent on it...
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(09-28-2016 06:55 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  I know Texas can write its own ticket anywhere it wants to go, but I don't think Oklahoma can do the same. Would the $EC or B1G want Oklahoma on its own? The ACC? Even the PAC-12?

Oklahoma is like Nebraska, except OU was never AAU, has a top 50 TV market in the state and the state is bigger. If the PAC-12 is told by UT that they'd come with Texas Tech instead of Oklahoma, would the PAC-12 protest?

Would the $EC want Oklahoma and its football history over North Carolina State or Virginia Tech and their respective much bigger (and actually southeastern states) and TV markets? If Texas left, OU could stay in the Big XII, dominate the league, and open up an easier path to the playoff.

Texas could go, and the Big XII, though losing its best asset, could still be a force as a power conference.

I think the SEC would take Oklahoma in a heartbeat.
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(09-28-2016 10:12 AM)Crazier Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 06:55 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  I know Texas can write its own ticket anywhere it wants to go, but I don't think Oklahoma can do the same. Would the $EC or B1G want Oklahoma on its own? The ACC? Even the PAC-12?

Oklahoma is like Nebraska, except OU was never AAU, has a top 50 TV market in the state and the state is bigger. If the PAC-12 is told by UT that they'd come with Texas Tech instead of Oklahoma, would the PAC-12 protest?

Would the $EC want Oklahoma and its football history over North Carolina State or Virginia Tech and their respective much bigger (and actually southeastern states) and TV markets? If Texas left, OU could stay in the Big XII, dominate the league, and open up an easier path to the playoff.

Texas could go, and the Big XII, though losing its best asset, could still be a force as a power conference.

I think the SEC would take Oklahoma in a heartbeat.

Kansas too I believe.
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(09-28-2016 10:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 10:12 AM)Crazier Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 06:55 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  I know Texas can write its own ticket anywhere it wants to go, but I don't think Oklahoma can do the same. Would the $EC or B1G want Oklahoma on its own? The ACC? Even the PAC-12?

Oklahoma is like Nebraska, except OU was never AAU, has a top 50 TV market in the state and the state is bigger. If the PAC-12 is told by UT that they'd come with Texas Tech instead of Oklahoma, would the PAC-12 protest?

Would the $EC want Oklahoma and its football history over North Carolina State or Virginia Tech and their respective much bigger (and actually southeastern states) and TV markets? If Texas left, OU could stay in the Big XII, dominate the league, and open up an easier path to the playoff.

Texas could go, and the Big XII, though losing its best asset, could still be a force as a power conference.

I think the SEC would take Oklahoma in a heartbeat.

Kansas too I believe.

Why Kansas?

No football, no football following, small state with 2 football playing schools-- not the best market
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(09-28-2016 10:09 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 09:03 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  we just can't get over the big 12...

Basically because there is a really good chance that the long term survival of our football program is dependent on it...

Basketball too.
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(09-28-2016 10:09 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 09:03 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  we just can't get over the big 12...

Basically because there is a really good chance that the long term survival of our football program is dependent on it...

well guess what.. they don't want us..time to move on to what ever is next
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(09-28-2016 11:13 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 10:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 10:12 AM)Crazier Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 06:55 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  I know Texas can write its own ticket anywhere it wants to go, but I don't think Oklahoma can do the same. Would the $EC or B1G want Oklahoma on its own? The ACC? Even the PAC-12?

Oklahoma is like Nebraska, except OU was never AAU, has a top 50 TV market in the state and the state is bigger. If the PAC-12 is told by UT that they'd come with Texas Tech instead of Oklahoma, would the PAC-12 protest?

Would the $EC want Oklahoma and its football history over North Carolina State or Virginia Tech and their respective much bigger (and actually southeastern states) and TV markets? If Texas left, OU could stay in the Big XII, dominate the league, and open up an easier path to the playoff.

Texas could go, and the Big XII, though losing its best asset, could still be a force as a power conference.

I think the SEC would take Oklahoma in a heartbeat.

Kansas too I believe.

Why Kansas?

No football, no football following, small state with 2 football playing schools-- not the best market

Fits the profile. State flagship.
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(09-28-2016 11:24 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 10:09 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 09:03 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  we just can't get over the big 12...

Basically because there is a really good chance that the long term survival of our football program is dependent on it...

well guess what.. they don't want us..time to move on to what ever is next

Who says they don't want us?

I'm not saying they will choose us, or that they will even expand, but I have seen nothing to indicated that they have said we are not in the running
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If the Big12 breaks up. This by the other conferences.

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(09-28-2016 10:12 AM)Crazier Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 06:55 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  I know Texas can write its own ticket anywhere it wants to go, but I don't think Oklahoma can do the same. Would the $EC or B1G want Oklahoma on its own? The ACC? Even the PAC-12?

Oklahoma is like Nebraska, except OU was never AAU, has a top 50 TV market in the state and the state is bigger. If the PAC-12 is told by UT that they'd come with Texas Tech instead of Oklahoma, would the PAC-12 protest?

Would the $EC want Oklahoma and its football history over North Carolina State or Virginia Tech and their respective much bigger (and actually southeastern states) and TV markets? If Texas left, OU could stay in the Big XII, dominate the league, and open up an easier path to the playoff.

Texas could go, and the Big XII, though losing its best asset, could still be a force as a power conference.

I think the SEC would take Oklahoma in a heartbeat.

The $EC has enough football powers. They need $EC Network subscribers.

The 10 million people in NC and 8 million in VA (plus 5-6 in DC metro alone, excluding Bmore) are definitely more attractive than 4 million in OK.

KU would get as much of a sniff as us. Not southeast. Small population. $ec already in KS's biggest market with Missouri.
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