(09-25-2016 05:48 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 05:42 PM)MercerCo_BearCat Wrote:  I would say no to Les Miles. It would be another retirement kinda job, similar to what we did with Tuberville.

Brian Kelly would at least have 10 years or so at Cincinnati if he did choose to get back.

(09-25-2016 04:11 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  OK OK...

This and the Brian Kelly thread are both just excessive "Fire Tuberville" threads in disguise.

I'll allow these two to stick, for sake of argument, but this had better be the last one to spawn up.

I see the threads more as a "Can we Dream" Kinda threads.

In that case, let's go after Saban.

Did Saban get fired?

(09-25-2016 05:56 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 05:48 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 05:42 PM)MercerCo_BearCat Wrote:  I would say no to Les Miles. It would be another retirement kinda job, similar to what we did with Tuberville.

Brian Kelly would at least have 10 years or so at Cincinnati if he did choose to get back.

(09-25-2016 04:11 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  OK OK...

This and the Brian Kelly thread are both just excessive "Fire Tuberville" threads in disguise.

I'll allow these two to stick, for sake of argument, but this had better be the last one to spawn up.

I see the threads more as a "Can we Dream" Kinda threads.

In that case, let's go after Saban.

Did Saban get fired?

Doss will buy out his contract.

(09-25-2016 04:53 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  No. Why? He needs a year off to recharge as most coaches do after being canned. In all reality, he would not come to the American Conference if he decides to ever coach again. C'mon man. To put it this way, UC is the nerdy guy who hopes to land Farrah Fawcett. Ain't happening.

UC in the AAC, No. UC in the Big 12, I don't think it would be crazy. I think UC in the Big 12 would actually be a very attractive job.

Hell we already have a NC winning coach who fell off afterwards.

(09-25-2016 04:16 PM)bearcat2020 Wrote:  This is not me calling for Tuberville's head more just hoping to go for 10-2 every year instead of 8-4

by saying hire Les Miles you are calling for tubervilles head though

which is fine because this program is going NOWHERE under him.

He's 62. No.

Agree with those who want no part of Miles. He's WAAAAYYY closer to Tubs than BK.

I think a lot of you guys overestimate how in demand fallen stars are. Big time programs aren't going to be beating down doors to get guys who were fired at their last big time program. IF they want to continue as a HC, their options are likely a lot more limited than some of you think, imo.

No more ceo types, no more over 50. Uc makes you work hard with the limited budget.

(09-25-2016 07:16 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I think a lot of you guys overestimate how in demand fallen stars are. Big time programs aren't going to be beating down doors to get guys who were fired at their last big time program. IF they want to continue as a HC, their options are likely a lot more limited than some of you think, imo.

I don't know about that... Mark Richt, Rich Rodriguez, Will Muschamp, and Bobby Petrino all ended up with pretty nice gigs after getting canned. Maybe they took a step down, but they are still at P5 schools where they can win big both on the field and financially. Les Miles could probably land at a P5 school, but not a blue blood.

That said, I agree with others about Les Miles. He would probably be an improvement because of his recruiting ability, but he's similar to Tuberville in a lot of other areas. I won't say I would be angry or even disappointed if we hired him (doubtful unless we get a Big 12 invite) but I think I would rather roll the dice with an up-and-comer.

I would also take Brian Kelly over Les Miles because of his history here and the fact he's about 10 years younger. But like Les, he will be able to get a P5 head coaching job if he wants. I also think his job is safe for at least another season.

He is 62, no thanks.

Miles will take a p5 job. would be nice if we were in the conversation, but like others, I think we could do better than him if we get the call up.

How much was left on his contract? If he has a couple years of payments, expect some on set TV analysis.

(09-25-2016 08:04 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 07:16 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I think a lot of you guys overestimate how in demand fallen stars are. Big time programs aren't going to be beating down doors to get guys who were fired at their last big time program. IF they want to continue as a HC, their options are likely a lot more limited than some of you think, imo.

I don't know about that... Mark Richt, Rich Rodriguez, Will Muschamp, and Bobby Petrino all ended up with pretty nice gigs after getting canned. Maybe they took a step down,

Richt got screwed at Georgia and landed at his hometown alma mater. I'll give you him but it was a bit of a perfect storm.

Rich Rod took an analyst job after Michigan fired him before landing at AZ, which isn't much of a football power by P5 standards. It took them 41 days to hire someone to replace Stoops so he likely was either well down their list or only accepted when he found out AZ was as good as it was going to get for him (probably both). Stoops btw only landed a DC job with his brother after AZ fired him.

Muschamp took a DC job at Auburn after Texas fired him.

And of course Petrino took the Western Kentucky job after Arkansas fired him.

After ND, Weis was an OC at KC and then U of Florida before getting the low P5 Kansas job.

Tressel hasn't been back in coaching.

Brady Hoke took a year off then became DC at Oregon it looks like.

We can look at others if you've got 'em, but these days there's almost always a period of "penance" that they all have to go through after getting fired from a big time gig - even for those that do successfully make it back.

Les Miles won a national chamionship. Come on people.

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(09-25-2016 09:30 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 08:04 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 07:16 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I think a lot of you guys overestimate how in demand fallen stars are. Big time programs aren't going to be beating down doors to get guys who were fired at their last big time program. IF they want to continue as a HC, their options are likely a lot more limited than some of you think, imo.

I don't know about that... Mark Richt, Rich Rodriguez, Will Muschamp, and Bobby Petrino all ended up with pretty nice gigs after getting canned. Maybe they took a step down,

Richt got screwed and landed at his hometown alma mater. I'll give you him but it was a bit of a perfect storm.

Rich Rod took an analyst job after Michigan fired him before landing at AZ, which isn't much of a football power by P5 standards. It took them 41 days to hire someone to replace Stoops so he likely was either well down their list or only accepted when he found out AZ was as good as it was going to get for him (probably both). Stoops btw only landed a DC job with his brother after AZ fired him.

Muschamp took a DC job at Auburn after Texas fired him.

And we know Petrino took the Western Kentucky job.

After ND, Weis was an OC at KC and then U of Florida before getting the low P5 Kansas job.

Tressel hasn't been back in coaching.

Brady Hoke took a year off then became DC at Oregon it looks like.

We can look at others if you've got 'em, but there's almost always a period of "penance" that they all have to go through after getting fired from a big time gig - even for those that do successfully make it back.

Tressel lied to the NCAA so was pretty much untouchable. Hoke and Weiss were complete busts as head coaches. Petrino untouchable after lying to the AD at Arkansas. Miles was not a bust or cheater, won numerous conference titles and a national championship. Not sure what point you are trying to make with that list, but one thing is not even close to the other.

As an aside, just saw LSU promoted Ed Ogeron to be the interim coach. That guy keeps resurfacing like a bad penny.

(09-25-2016 09:38 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 09:30 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 08:04 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 07:16 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I think a lot of you guys overestimate how in demand fallen stars are. Big time programs aren't going to be beating down doors to get guys who were fired at their last big time program. IF they want to continue as a HC, their options are likely a lot more limited than some of you think, imo.

I don't know about that... Mark Richt, Rich Rodriguez, Will Muschamp, and Bobby Petrino all ended up with pretty nice gigs after getting canned. Maybe they took a step down,

Richt got screwed and landed at his hometown alma mater. I'll give you him but it was a bit of a perfect storm.

Rich Rod took an analyst job after Michigan fired him before landing at AZ, which isn't much of a football power by P5 standards. It took them 41 days to hire someone to replace Stoops so he likely was either well down their list or only accepted when he found out AZ was as good as it was going to get for him (probably both). Stoops btw only landed a DC job with his brother after AZ fired him.

Muschamp took a DC job at Auburn after Texas fired him.

And we know Petrino took the Western Kentucky job.

After ND, Weis was an OC at KC and then U of Florida before getting the low P5 Kansas job.

Tressel hasn't been back in coaching.

Brady Hoke took a year off then became DC at Oregon it looks like.

We can look at others if you've got 'em, but there's almost always a period of "penance" that they all have to go through after getting fired from a big time gig - even for those that do successfully make it back.

Tressel lied to the NCAA so was pretty much untouchable. Hoke and Weiss were complete busts as head coaches. Petrino untouchable after lying to the AD at Arkansas. Miles was not a bust or cheater, won numerous conference titles and a national championship. Not sure what point you are trying to make with that list, but one thing is not even close to the other.

The list is mostly from another poster. Miles wasn't fired for winning too much and these days that's probably a bigger sin than breaking the rules (see Petrino, B who lied to his boss among others). Rightly or wrongly, Miles failed to meet expectations of his employer (for quite a few years in a row it appears) and got canned for it. In terms of a comp, I didn't want to mention him but Tubs might be the best one and he briefly went into announcing before Texas Tech which of course brings up Mike Leach who also went into announcing after his firing before landing at Washington St. - also not a premiere P5 job. The point of the list was that once fired by a major P5 for whatever reason, it's very rare to immediately get another major P5 gig. If you've got exceptions, lay them out there. I don't think Miles, for example, will get another high P5 HC gig as his next stop.

Hawk, the biggest thing I notice from your list is that they all stayed in the P5 except Petrino. No one goes to the G5 if they can avoid it.

(09-25-2016 10:36 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Hawk, the biggest thing I notice from your list is that they all stayed in the P5 except Petrino. No one goes to the G5 if they can avoid it.

It's not my list, I just added a few names. The thing I notice is that the next position is usually a pretty big fall from grace after getting fired (assuming you'd still like to be a head coach at the best program possible). Announcing or coordinator jobs are normally the next stop. It's not necessarily clear how to bracket the programs, but I don't see many top or even mid level P5s hiring premier P5 re-treads as HC as their next stop. It's pretty much low P5s at best (although in terms of salary I'd add a select few G5 schools to that category - UC and UH for example). So to bring this back to Miles, I think that's the best case next stop scenario for him: low P5 (which for these purposes would include schools like UC/UH that pay HCs). Maybe he lands a Purdue, Indiana, UC, Kentucky, Vanderbilt type job but I don't see him landing a much bigger gig than that right away (or probably ever in his case at his age). That's his realistic best case scenario and even that is not at all a given imo. BK wouldn't be much different imo although he might have an outside shot at a medium level P5 since he's younger. Do you disagree?

(09-25-2016 11:27 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 10:36 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Hawk, the biggest thing I notice from your list is that they all stayed in the P5 except Petrino. No one goes to the G5 if they can avoid it.

It's not my list, I just added a few names. The thing I notice is that the next position is usually a pretty big fall from grace after getting fired assuming you'd like to be a head coach. Announcing or coordinator jobs are normally the next stop. It's not necessarily clear how to bracket the programs, but I don't see many top or even mid level P5s hiring re-treads as HC as their next stop. It's pretty much low P5s at best (although in terms of salary I'd add a select few G5 schools to that category - UC and UH for example). So to bring this back to Miles, I think that's the best case next stop scenario for him: low P5 (which for these purposes would include schools like UC/UH that pay HCs). Maybe he lands a Purdue, Indiana, UC, Kentucky, Vanderbilt type job but I don't see him landing a much bigger gig than that right away (or probably ever in his case at his age). That's his realistic best case scenario imo. BK wouldn't be much different imo although he might have an outside shot at a medium level P5 since he's younger. Do you disagree?

Nope. I totally agree. My guess is at 62 he just collects the rest of his severance and calls it a day.