(09-30-2016 04:46 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  mturn017: I heartily agree with your choice of music and your opinion on this subject. Maybe we oughtta pipe in a bunch of CSNY for our brothers and sisters at all CUSA athletic events. I'm not sure if some of the bubbas I went to MT with could cope with all that Old Hippy Stuff but it never hurts to try.

...explains why nobody on the music thread is a whiny pc butthurt wannabe....

most people are wide open in acceptance in this country at this point and time.....there will always be those that point fingers at thingys that are unknown.....

that we call, irony....

(09-30-2016 04:51 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  If I was a Jr High, High School, or college coach, I would bring in 3 or 4 experienced police officers (of different races) to talk with (not at) my team, share stories, and to answer questions.

that's easily a start....personally, I would target only lower class urban centers at elementary age....

that is easily a fed funding I would support as a politician...

unfortunately, when the incentive becomes too many puppies allows one to survive w/o becoming a true prostitute, the residual is a predetermined result.....

one can only try to promote growth through education.....

kap and the rest are nothing but little whiny biatches....go to work....that helps build things...

The meaningless gesture generation. My new name for millenials.

I've spent a lot of my life in Appalachia, with a 12 year stint living in Louisville in the middle. What I have learned from my 51 years is race is one of the least important things in your quality of life and likelihood of success. There's no real difference between the do nothing, white trash, up the hollers of WV, PA and KY and the thug life, do nothing blacks in the ghettos of major cities. Conversely, there's no real difference between the successful blacks in large metro areas or in Appalachia and the successful whites in those same areas.

Successful people work hard, have goals and the ambition to reach them and a level of intelligence necessary to formulate and execute plans. If you aren't successful it's because you lack one of those three things and don't adjust your strengths to compensate for your weakness. The only people, regardless of race, who are destined for failure are stupid, lazy people with no ambition.

(09-30-2016 06:29 PM)banker Wrote:  The meaningless gesture generation. My new name for millenials.

I've spent a lot of my life in Appalachia, with a 12 year stint living in Louisville in the middle. What I have learned from my 51 years is race is one of the least important things in your quality of life and likelihood of success. There's no real difference between the do nothing, white trash, up the hollers of WV, PA and KY and the thug life, do nothing blacks in the ghettos of major cities. Conversely, there's no real difference between the successful blacks in large metro areas or in Appalachia and the successful whites in those same areas.

Successful people work hard, have goals and the ambition to reach them and a level of intelligence necessary to formulate and execute plans. If you aren't successful it's because you lack one of those three things and don't adjust your strengths to compensate for your weakness. The only people, regardless of race, who are destined for failure are stupid, lazy people with no ambition.

toss in the subsidy factor and it's fully funded fail....

I can't see any harm with the circle of unity. And if by unifying the team results in more wins I'm all for it. Because let's face it, at the end of the day that's what we're here for. Oh yeah, and Coach Wilder is a public relations genius.

How many C-USA FB coaches have managed to get invited to SportsCenter this year?

(09-30-2016 09:58 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  How many C-USA FB coaches have managed to get invited to SportsCenter this year?

ESPN is totally on board with the PC movement so sure, Wilder is sharp enough to know that. It's all PC with no substance but it's the show of being PC that is important these days.

(09-30-2016 06:29 PM)banker Wrote:  The meaningless gesture generation. My new name for millenials.

I've spent a lot of my life in Appalachia, with a 12 year stint living in Louisville in the middle. What I have learned from my 51 years is race is one of the least important things in your quality of life and likelihood of success. There's no real difference between the do nothing, white trash, up the hollers of WV, PA and KY and the thug life, do nothing blacks in the ghettos of major cities. Conversely, there's no real difference between the successful blacks in large metro areas or in Appalachia and the successful whites in those same areas.

Successful people work hard, have goals and the ambition to reach them and a level of intelligence necessary to formulate and execute plans. If you aren't successful it's because you lack one of those three things and don't adjust your strengths to compensate for your weakness. The only people, regardless of race, who are destined for failure are stupid, lazy people with no ambition.

(10-01-2016 07:24 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-30-2016 09:58 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  How many C-USA FB coaches have managed to get invited to SportsCenter this year?

ESPN is totally on board with the PC movement so sure, Wilder is sharp enough to know that. It's all PC with no substance but it's the show of being PC that is important these days.

Agreed.

(09-29-2016 04:22 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 02:42 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Being an old white guy, perhaps my take on this is incorrect, but this is how I see it and why I believe it is not only a good move but also a really smart one.

It is clear to the most casual observer that young black men in this country are highly concerned about the number of recent cases of police killings of black men. It is something they live with on a daily basis. The recent actions by Colin Kaepernick to protest during the national anthem highlighted the level of concern and brought the focus onto black (and white) athletes across the nation. Coaches at every level from high school to the pros are witnessing up close and personal the impact this is having on their players.

Without a doubt, how to best deal with this issue has become a front burner concern for both coaches and players. The question became, how can the players's concerns be addressed in a positive manner without going to the extreme measure of showing absolute disrespect for the flag and this country that it represents. Coach Bobby Wilder met with his team captains, and the circle of unity was the solution they jointly came up with. This allowed a joint statement of protest and team unity at the same time, and was not done during the national anthem. This allowed the protest to occur without being divisive among players and fans alike. Frankly, I believe it was a stroke of genius that will ensure what could be hugely divisive and disruptive to a team does not have that impact.

I am a 24-year veteran of our armed forces. The flag does have special meaning for me as it does for most veterans. I have seen it on the caskets of way too many young men, friends of mine, to not have a deeply felt dislike for any open demonstration of contempt or disrespect of our nation's symbol. At the same time, I understand the deeply felt concern that our young black athletes feel about the unwarranted deaths of their brothers, for no apparent reason other than the color of their skin. I think the circle of unity is a profoundly appropriate means of openly addressing this issue in a way that is acceptable to both young black men and old white guys.

This kind of BS is the exact problem here. There is no great "unwarranted" killing of black men going on. Period. No doubt it has happened. Just as it has happened to white people. But the problem is a lack of respect for law and order. You wave a gun around at the police, don't do what you're told and give them reason to believe they or someone else is in danger and they should use whatever force necessary to incapacitate you. BTW, the 'gentleman' killed in Charlotte had spent six years in prison for,you got it, shooting someone.

Agreed 1000%. There is no injustice. There is no great oppression. The oppression is their own laziness, and the government giving them free money and housing, effectively resulting in a whole culture of dependency. They want a better future? They could literally go to college for free, they get a leg up in the hiring process of large corporations because of their race and affirmative action quotas. They have literally every advantage in the book, and they squander it by doing drugs, becoming criminals, then they cry "racism" when they get caught up in a crime, reach for, or point a gun at police and get shot.

Wow is all I have to say to some of these comments

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I understand where you'd want politics left out of it. But first and foremost these kids are student athletes. Student being the primary objective of their existence at our beloved universities. After they entertain us for 4 years they go off into the world as, hopefully, future leaders and ambassadors of our universities. They are learning to harness the energy, passion, and frustration within their lives, that is very real to them, in a positive non violent way.

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(10-01-2016 10:10 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 04:22 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 02:42 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Being an old white guy, perhaps my take on this is incorrect, but this is how I see it and why I believe it is not only a good move but also a really smart one.

It is clear to the most casual observer that young black men in this country are highly concerned about the number of recent cases of police killings of black men. It is something they live with on a daily basis. The recent actions by Colin Kaepernick to protest during the national anthem highlighted the level of concern and brought the focus onto black (and white) athletes across the nation. Coaches at every level from high school to the pros are witnessing up close and personal the impact this is having on their players.

Without a doubt, how to best deal with this issue has become a front burner concern for both coaches and players. The question became, how can the players's concerns be addressed in a positive manner without going to the extreme measure of showing absolute disrespect for the flag and this country that it represents. Coach Bobby Wilder met with his team captains, and the circle of unity was the solution they jointly came up with. This allowed a joint statement of protest and team unity at the same time, and was not done during the national anthem. This allowed the protest to occur without being divisive among players and fans alike. Frankly, I believe it was a stroke of genius that will ensure what could be hugely divisive and disruptive to a team does not have that impact.

I am a 24-year veteran of our armed forces. The flag does have special meaning for me as it does for most veterans. I have seen it on the caskets of way too many young men, friends of mine, to not have a deeply felt dislike for any open demonstration of contempt or disrespect of our nation's symbol. At the same time, I understand the deeply felt concern that our young black athletes feel about the unwarranted deaths of their brothers, for no apparent reason other than the color of their skin. I think the circle of unity is a profoundly appropriate means of openly addressing this issue in a way that is acceptable to both young black men and old white guys.

This kind of BS is the exact problem here. There is no great "unwarranted" killing of black men going on. Period. No doubt it has happened. Just as it has happened to white people. But the problem is a lack of respect for law and order. You wave a gun around at the police, don't do what you're told and give them reason to believe they or someone else is in danger and they should use whatever force necessary to incapacitate you. BTW, the 'gentleman' killed in Charlotte had spent six years in prison for,you got it, shooting someone.

Agreed 1000%. There is no injustice. There is no great oppression. The oppression is their own laziness, and the government giving them free money and housing, effectively resulting in a whole culture of dependency. They want a better future? They could literally go to college for free, they get a leg up in the hiring process of large corporations because of their race and affirmative action quotas. They have literally every advantage in the book, and they squander it by doing drugs, becoming criminals, then they cry "racism" when they get caught up in a crime, reach for, or point a gun at police and get shot.

WHOA, WHOA, Easy there my friend. Why not tell us how you really feel? Although I don't feel that the police purposely shoot unarmed young african americans, that they are treated differently, there can be no doubt. The police are suspicious, and act that way. I think the police are too quick to shoot all races. It probably comes from that Navy SEAL wanna be syndrome. We need peace officers and not militarized robots. And that is where the Circle of unity comes into play. Cops and community leaders talking with kids and mentoring. You know, like they used to. Before everybody became "the perp".

Wow...I am really shocked and saddened by some of these comments. As a former teacher for an at risk school, I saw many different unfortunate home situations. Many of these kids have no fathers in their lives. Is that the fault of the child. I am not making excuses but there are reasons so many of these kids end up in bad circumstances. How can you judge an entire race by the actions of a few. There are good and bad people of all races. Unless you walk in the shoes of someone, you don't know what they go through on a daily basis. ODU is not just doing the circle of unity for show. They have started a program for young people in our community as well. Just think how much could change with our young people if all communities had these programs. I am very proud that the ODU football team is taking positive actions instead of focusing on divisive ones.

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(10-01-2016 11:37 PM)ODUMonarchs Wrote:  Wow...I am really shocked and saddened by some of these comments. As a former teacher for an at risk school, I saw many different unfortunate home situations. Many of these kids have no fathers in their lives. Is that the fault of the child. I am not making excuses but there are reasons so many of these kids end up in bad circumstances. How can you judge an entire race by the actions of a few. There are good and bad people of all races. Unless you walk in the shoes of someone, you don't know what they go through on a daily basis. ODU is not just doing the circle of unity for show. They have started a program for young people in our community as well. Just think how much could change with our young people if all communities had these programs. I am very proud that the ODU football team is taking positive actions instead of focusing on divisive ones.

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Well said +1

(10-01-2016 11:37 PM)ODUMonarchs Wrote:  ...Many of these kids have no fathers in their lives. Is that the fault of the child. I am not making excuses...
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but you are.

the thing is..this lack of fathers...that is a problem. 72% fatherless rate with Blacks. 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native American.

And how many mothers have multiple fathers within the multitude of kids?

This is a statistic you cannot ignore. Men need men to show them how to be men.

(10-01-2016 11:59 PM)johndavidblue Wrote:  

(10-01-2016 11:37 PM)ODUMonarchs Wrote:  ...Many of these kids have no fathers in their lives. Is that the fault of the child. I am not making excuses...
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but you are.

the thing is..this lack of fathers...that is a problem. 72% fatherless rate with Blacks. 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native American.

And how many mothers have multiple fathers within the multitude of kids?

This is a statistic you cannot ignore. Men need men to show them how to be men.

Whether it is an "excuse" or not, it is a reality. (Even with a strong, reliable father in my life, I managed more than once to put myself in unforgivably stupid situations. I cannot imagine how I would have made it to adulthood if I didn't have a father at home to keep me straight.)

And, much more important, you are exactly correct that this statistical reality cannot be ignored. The "circle of unity" does not ignore this situation. It is a full-on acknowledgment of it -- in a much more responsible and respectful fashion than that of Colin Kaepernick and his wannabe followers.

I truly do not understand why this is at all controversial. If anything, I get the sense that it is those who are upset by the circle of unity who are hoping to ignore the unfortunate reality of so many fatherless American boys.

So as a boycott to what I believe the circle of unity represents, I did not show up to the Charlotte game until after the 1st series. My view is that this is a hypocritical action pushed by the media and people who want more division in this country. No one was doing a circle of unity when there were 62 homicides in the city of Charlotte last year. Why do we feel the need to do one when an officer defends a neighborhood from someone that obviously has issues? To say we need to unify is to say that we are divided, which brings more division. Show me the people that want to see black or white people killed by police. Show me an officer that hopes they get to shoot someone that day. As far as race goes, the statistics simply don't match the agenda. 50% of people incarcerated for homicide are black. 50% of people killed by officers in 2015 were white while 26% were black. The media in a desperate search for ratings because their businesses are failing, highlight anything that brings viewers to their sites or channels. I travel all over this country, meet great people of all races, and believe that racism in this country is lower than it was when I was growing up.

The bottom line is that when you insert your political beliefs into paid entertainment you have to expect that some percentage of people disagree with your position. Ultimately, this will cost you money. I know I spent less money at the game yesterday than I spent at any other game before. On top of that Charlotte is the last school that can afford to lose fans because of politics. Their performance cannot close the gap.

Just so sickening to read some of the comments in this thread. I'm glad there are still some folks here bringing the real ness who aren't ignorant to the world around us. If you have a problem with a circle of unity then you're proving the point of why it's necessary in the first place. That's all I will say on the matter.

(10-01-2016 11:37 PM)ODUMonarchs Wrote:  Wow...I am really shocked and saddened by some of these comments. (why?) As a former teacher for an at risk school, I saw many different unfortunate home situations.(no doubt, and I commend you) Many of these kids have no fathers in their lives. (How can that be? Maybe because mothers don't need fathers to feed them and their kids anymore?)Is that the fault of the child.(the sins of fathers are visited upon their sons) I am not making excuses but there are reasons so many of these kids end up in bad circumstances.(yes there are. And we need to get past excuses and PC to understand the reasons) How can you judge an entire race by the actions of a few. (The few have become the mouthpiece for the many)There are good and bad people of all races.(absolutely. Many more good people of all races. More reason to face evil in all races. No passes given) Unless you walk in the shoes of someone, you don't know what they go through on a daily basis.(try walking in the shoes of a police officer in one of the inner city high crime areas and I bet your perspective changes) ODU is not just doing the circle of unity for show. (Unfortunately that is all it is. If they were asking for educational programs to teach these children that they should have respect for law and law officers then that would be a great thing) They have started a program for young people in our community as well. (If it is just midnight basketball then well meh) Just think how much could change with our young people if all communities had these programs.(education is the key. But it has to be non PC or the problems and excuses continue) I am very proud that the ODU football team is taking positive actions instead of focusing on divisive ones.(you should be. Good for you)

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