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ccs178 Wrote:Nugget's Ghost Wrote:ccs178 Wrote:Nugget's Ghost Wrote:chieffan19 Wrote:Nugget chill out,
I'm not making excuses, nor am I saying the kid should be forgiven just because we offered him a scholarship. However, keep in mind the kid was 17 years old when this happened. Also, two others kids were involved as well. One plays at Oregon, the other at some small school in California. Over the last few years the kid spent one in juvenile detention, the last two at a boot camp. That discipline combined with being away from whatever bad influences he was around in california has an upside. Not to mention he went through JuCo without any problems. Also keep this in mind, USM went to such great lengths as to hire people for a background check on this kid to make sure he is no longer involved in anything controversial.
We will take a hit from a PR standpoint, but when is the last time we had good PR from anything! Yes, K St. retracted their scholarship but are you really surprised. They have had so many thugs going through that program that the university can't risk another mishap.
One more thing...WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPEND! For all we know this kid could have been THE reason for that young man's unfortunate death, or he could have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Either way, the justice system thinks he has sufficiently done his time. How many of you did something you would later regret when you were a kid? Simply put, he has the right to move on with his life.
Don't tell me to chill out. You can kiss my azz as far as I am concerned if you don't like my opinion.
As for not knowing what happened, how much more do you want to know. This Raines kid had a history of planned attacks on other students. He kicked the young man that died when he was unconcious on the ground. What a gutless coward. You defend that, I won't.
By the way, Raines lost a $775,000 civil suit for causing the death of Christopher O'Leary. Don't you think that just maybe a few facts confirming Raines guilt were presented to get that verdict. By the way, Raines plead guilty. There is no question of his guilt.
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You are far from the moral measuring stick for USM. If we have room for you, then we have plenty of room for convicted felons. Civil suits are much different from criminal cases. There is no reasonable doubt in civil cases. If there is barely more evidence that suggests you MIGHT be responsible, then you are found guilty. The kid served his time and had to pay a lot of money. All BEFORE he was offered by USM. I remember you complaining as much about Rashaad Carruth when we recruited him. If Raines shows any problems, Bower will cut him in a heartbeat. I have no doubt about that.
Aren't you something. Big talk fella. As for the civil suit, I want to know where you got your law degree from. Here is an excerpt from the case involving Raines:
"Before their attack on Chris O'Leary, Woods and Newton assaulted and viciously beat another student in a hallway on the Little Rock campus. The cunning of Woods and Raines in planning their violence is matched only by the brazen nature of the attack. The similarity between this attack and the attack that killed Chris O'Leary is chilling.
*12 On March 17, 1999 Newton and Raines both left separate classrooms at the same time, met in the hallway on another part of the campus, and then chased and attacked another student in front of a classroom conducting class. (App., p. 87-90, 102-103, 107-108)"
Want more. Here is an excerpt from an article concerning this case:
"I saw something flash out of the corner of my right eye," said Stacy Holzer, Christopher O'Leary's girlfriend.
That something was the right fist of Richard Newton, a 17-year-old quarterback and teammate of Woods'. The fist connected with O'Leary's jaw.
"Chris' eyes rolled back in his head," Holzer said. "He dropped like nothing."
The cheerleader knelt over her boyfriend, cradling his head in her tiny hands.
"Then, I saw the boot," she said.
The boot belonged to Marcus Raines, the team's 17-year-old linebacker.
"Marcus kicked Chris' head right out of my hands," Holzer says. "He kicked it like it was a football."
Within hours he was airlifted to a trauma center in Northridge, where surgeons compared the brain hemorrhaging O'Leary suffered to setting a plate of Jell-O on the sidewalk on a summer day.
Three days later, O'Leary was declared brain-dead. Before deciding to donate his organs, the family was allowed a minute alone. O'Leary's mother and girlfriend crawled into the hospital bed, put their arms around his body and sobbed. "
Go ahead and cheer on Mr. Raines this fall. I am sure Christopher O'Leary's parents will find it rather difficult to cheer for him wearing the Black and Gold. You sell your soul to win football games, I think I will pass.
You don't seem to understand how a civil suit works. If I come up with 2 eyewitness that say you are guilty and you can only come up with one that says you aren't, you lose. Since you are so adept at cut and paste then why don't you paste some of the defense's case too? I'm not defending what he took part in. I don't have to defend him. He did time and paid or is paying out a lot of money. As far as the law is concerned he is even. If you don't like it, tough titty.
I tell you what, why don't you be the "bigger" and "better" man and leave USM forever? Just go ahead and walk on water, jump on your high horse and secure yourself on self-righteous island. I promise I'll shed a tear for you as you leave. Honestly.
I am sure one day if a thug beats one of your kids to death, you will be just as big hearted as you are now. You would probably help that killer of your child get a football scholarship and go cheer for him. After all, he had paid his price to society and is paying you a lot of cash you can vacation on.
Whats the death of your child. After all you are a big forgiveing person with lots of money now.
Also, glad to know some USM fans like you are so caught up in winning football games you are happy about signing a convicted killer. You are an asset to our community. Yes sir, you are a real jewel with your life's priorities set just right.
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