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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
(09-25-2016 12:03 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
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(09-25-2016 11:20 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  Having been a punter for a season in high school I can say its a different motion than kicking off the ground for me. I couldn't kick off the ground or tee to save my life if I tried but I could punt and dropkick. It was the foot eye coordination I was best at.

Can the dropkick be used in college for extra point?

Can the holder and kicker back up a few more yards on extra points? Wilder said afterwards that he took to long to kick. If allowed an extra yard or two would give him the time to kick.

It's legal, though exceedingly rare. Doug Flutie kicked a PAT that way once. I think it may have been his last play in the NFL.

I guess if they wanted to, they could take a delay of game penalty or two. I can't find it, but I remember reading about a team that had a kicker that was far more accurate from midrange than close up, so on a pivotal FG attempt, they took two penalties to get to his comfort zone.

I dont even think you'd have to take a penalty just have the place holder back up a yard or so, the real pressure would be on the snapper but if he can get the ball to a punter than I dont see an issue getting the ball to the place holder a few more yards back. I'm not clear if its allowed for the place holder to back up any more.
In the NFL I remember seeing a kicker back up a yard or 2 on a long kick because the trajectory is lower. I figured that they could line up however far back they wanted to. If there is a rule against it I've never heard of it.
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
(09-25-2016 12:03 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 11:52 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 11:20 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  Having been a punter for a season in high school I can say its a different motion than kicking off the ground for me. I couldn't kick off the ground or tee to save my life if I tried but I could punt and dropkick. It was the foot eye coordination I was best at.

Can the dropkick be used in college for extra point?

Can the holder and kicker back up a few more yards on extra points? Wilder said afterwards that he took to long to kick. If allowed an extra yard or two would give him the time to kick.

It's legal, though exceedingly rare. Doug Flutie kicked a PAT that way once. I think it may have been his last play in the NFL.

I guess if they wanted to, they could take a delay of game penalty or two. I can't find it, but I remember reading about a team that had a kicker that was far more accurate from midrange than close up, so on a pivotal FG attempt, they took two penalties to get to his comfort zone.

I dont even think you'd have to take a penalty just have the place holder back up a yard or so, the real pressure would be on the snapper but if he can get the ball to a punter than I dont see an issue getting the ball to the place holder a few more yards back. I'm not clear if its allowed for the place holder to back up any more.

I don't think it's illegal, but as you point out, you're asking the snapper to deliver the ball a longer distance, which means it's less likely to be accurate. Easier to take the penalty and let the snapper send it off at normal distance.
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
Maybe we should get in contact with the fraternities on campus;
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/bl...aaf,wp9443
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
(09-25-2016 11:38 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  After thinking about this I think they should keep working with Cate. I think there is too much of a learning curve at this point for someone new. I don't know what happened with Rudy but I hope they are working with him too. I think it might kill any confidence building if we hold open tryouts.
Tillman was warming up on the sideline yesterday
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
You have 25k students. I promise you a former HS kicker is walking around your campus now.

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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
(09-25-2016 12:59 PM)panama Wrote:  You have 25k students. I promise you a former HS kicker is walking around your campus now.

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That doesn't mean they are better than the 3 former high school kickers we already have.
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
(09-25-2016 01:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 12:59 PM)panama Wrote:  You have 25k students. I promise you a former HS kicker is walking around your campus now.

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That doesn't mean they are better than the 3 former high school kickers we already have.

I used to kick.. years ago. Doubt I can get 35 yards anymore. It's been a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time.

I like the idea of the kicking contest and offering the winner a job.
But how would you compensate this person? A scholarship would be pretty steep at this point, unless said player was booming 45-50 FG's.
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
(09-25-2016 12:11 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 12:03 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 11:52 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 11:20 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  Having been a punter for a season in high school I can say its a different motion than kicking off the ground for me. I couldn't kick off the ground or tee to save my life if I tried but I could punt and dropkick. It was the foot eye coordination I was best at.

Can the dropkick be used in college for extra point?

Can the holder and kicker back up a few more yards on extra points? Wilder said afterwards that he took to long to kick. If allowed an extra yard or two would give him the time to kick.

It's legal, though exceedingly rare. Doug Flutie kicked a PAT that way once. I think it may have been his last play in the NFL.

I guess if they wanted to, they could take a delay of game penalty or two. I can't find it, but I remember reading about a team that had a kicker that was far more accurate from midrange than close up, so on a pivotal FG attempt, they took two penalties to get to his comfort zone.

I dont even think you'd have to take a penalty just have the place holder back up a yard or so, the real pressure would be on the snapper but if he can get the ball to a punter than I dont see an issue getting the ball to the place holder a few more yards back. I'm not clear if its allowed for the place holder to back up any more.

I don't think it's illegal, but as you point out, you're asking the snapper to deliver the ball a longer distance, which means it's less likely to be accurate. Easier to take the penalty and let the snapper send it off at normal distance.
It also changes the position of the laces to the holder. He would also have to adapt.

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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
(09-25-2016 02:19 PM)SettleDownFolks Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 12:11 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 12:03 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 11:52 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 11:20 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  Having been a punter for a season in high school I can say its a different motion than kicking off the ground for me. I couldn't kick off the ground or tee to save my life if I tried but I could punt and dropkick. It was the foot eye coordination I was best at.

Can the dropkick be used in college for extra point?

Can the holder and kicker back up a few more yards on extra points? Wilder said afterwards that he took to long to kick. If allowed an extra yard or two would give him the time to kick.

It's legal, though exceedingly rare. Doug Flutie kicked a PAT that way once. I think it may have been his last play in the NFL.

I guess if they wanted to, they could take a delay of game penalty or two. I can't find it, but I remember reading about a team that had a kicker that was far more accurate from midrange than close up, so on a pivotal FG attempt, they took two penalties to get to his comfort zone.

I dont even think you'd have to take a penalty just have the place holder back up a yard or so, the real pressure would be on the snapper but if he can get the ball to a punter than I dont see an issue getting the ball to the place holder a few more yards back. I'm not clear if its allowed for the place holder to back up any more.

I don't think it's illegal, but as you point out, you're asking the snapper to deliver the ball a longer distance, which means it's less likely to be accurate. Easier to take the penalty and let the snapper send it off at normal distance.
It also changes the position of the laces to the holder. He would also have to adapt.

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And the longer snap would allow guy coming around the corner to block it.
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
(09-25-2016 02:46 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 02:19 PM)SettleDownFolks Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 12:11 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 12:03 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 11:52 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  It's legal, though exceedingly rare. Doug Flutie kicked a PAT that way once. I think it may have been his last play in the NFL.

I guess if they wanted to, they could take a delay of game penalty or two. I can't find it, but I remember reading about a team that had a kicker that was far more accurate from midrange than close up, so on a pivotal FG attempt, they took two penalties to get to his comfort zone.

I dont even think you'd have to take a penalty just have the place holder back up a yard or so, the real pressure would be on the snapper but if he can get the ball to a punter than I dont see an issue getting the ball to the place holder a few more yards back. I'm not clear if its allowed for the place holder to back up any more.

I don't think it's illegal, but as you point out, you're asking the snapper to deliver the ball a longer distance, which means it's less likely to be accurate. Easier to take the penalty and let the snapper send it off at normal distance.
It also changes the position of the laces to the holder. He would also have to adapt.

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And the longer snap would allow guy coming around the corner to block it.
That's the reason right there.
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
(09-25-2016 10:42 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 07:49 AM)FTW ODU Wrote:  
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(09-24-2016 11:28 PM)FTW ODU Wrote:  You're telling me that Wilder can't raid the soccer team for a kicker? Other schools do that, why can't we?

What school has ever done this?

Pen State has done this. They've also taken soccer players from other schools

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootbal..._socc.html

Meh, that was before the season started.

Here's an example of a mid-season move, during the playoffs:
http://www.statesboroherald.com/archives/49029/

And that was after the soccer season ended.
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
I say just go for the 2 pt conversion every time! 50% of 2 pts equals 100% 1 pt!!!
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
(09-26-2016 07:00 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 10:42 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 07:49 AM)FTW ODU Wrote:  
(09-25-2016 03:44 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(09-24-2016 11:28 PM)FTW ODU Wrote:  You're telling me that Wilder can't raid the soccer team for a kicker? Other schools do that, why can't we?

What school has ever done this?

Pen State has done this. They've also taken soccer players from other schools

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootbal..._socc.html

Meh, that was before the season started.

Here's an example of a mid-season move, during the playoffs:
http://www.statesboroherald.com/archives/49029/

And that was after the soccer season ended.

That has nothing to do with whether it can be done or not. The bottom line is that there are no NCAA regulations against borrowing a player from another team.
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
Brad Davis is now going to handle PAT and FG attempts.

His kickoffs were great this past Saturday. Fingers crossed
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
(09-26-2016 08:48 AM)Punk Wrote:  Brad Davis is now going to handle PAT and FG attempts.

His kickoffs were great this past Saturday. Fingers crossed

I was hoping this was going to be the move. Maybe his recent kickoffs have given him confidence on how he is striking the ball. He certainly has looked better kicking that Cate has, Cate just is not a kicker at this point. Davis certainly has the leg and he should be able to make some extra points.
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
I can't believe they can't find someone...anyone...to make an extra point kick. It's not that hard, especially if you go "Old School" like Fred Cox or George Blanda and kick it straight on. I used to do it all the time when I was in high school...and I was a line backer. I'm in my 50's now and I can still make that kick. Just pop it up straight...it's only 20 yards.

Now field goals are another matter...those are much tougher. I'm hoping Davis can help us there. In any event, we can't continue to lose PAT's after every score. That's going to cost us close games and this team is walking the razor's edge as it is.
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
Didn't someone on here have a friend that wanted to walk on but was told that they weren't needed?
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
wanted to transfer in after last season from, I believe, Memphis
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
(09-26-2016 01:41 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  Didn't someone on here have a friend that wanted to walk on but was told that they weren't needed?
Which is just crazy since we have depended on walk ons for special teams (punter and kicker) the last 2 years.
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RE: Honest Question:Can we recruit a backup kicker from any other team during the season?
(09-26-2016 02:06 PM)SettleDownFolks Wrote:  
(09-26-2016 01:41 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  Didn't someone on here have a friend that wanted to walk on but was told that they weren't needed?
Which is just crazy since we have depended on walk ons for special teams (punter and kicker) the last 2 years.


This is speculation though. I'm not sure anyone on Memphis was found to fit the criteria.

Im not sure which kickers or punters were on scholarship. I thought the starters were, but the backups were walk ons.
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