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RE: Western Illinois to the AAC?
(09-26-2017 06:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Except for a few conferences, especially the Ivy, Pac, B1G, and Patriot, academics are overrated. Who are they really kidding in this day in age? Is anyone in either conference light years better academically than Coastal?

Don't agree at all. It's actually underrated at least at the P5 level where perception and prestige rule the day. That's why flagships/flagship-equivalents and private universities get a boost. The SEC added 2 AAU schools (Texas A&M and Missouri), while the Big 12 named Tulane as an expansion finalist a few years ago but not Memphis.

Now, outside of the P5, Big East, Ivy League and Patriot League, I agree that academics aren't as much of an issue, but the P5 is generally what we care about here.
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RE: Western Illinois to the AAC?
(05-24-2018 01:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 06:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Except for a few conferences, especially the Ivy, Pac, B1G, and Patriot, academics are overrated. Who are they really kidding in this day in age? Is anyone in either conference light years better academically than Coastal?

Don't agree at all. It's actually underrated at least at the P5 level where perception and prestige rule the day. That's why flagships/flagship-equivalents and private universities get a boost. The SEC added 2 AAU schools (Texas A&M and Missouri), while the Big 12 named Tulane as an expansion finalist a few years ago but not Memphis.

Now, outside of the P5, Big East, Ivy League and Patriot League, I agree that academics aren't as much of an issue, but the P5 is generally what we care about here.

Interesting you threw “P5” in with Ivy and Patriot....cough Louisville cough Louisville....
Harvard, Army, cough Louisville, Yale in one group and Rice, Navy, Tulane , Buffalo and Air Force in the other group huh?
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RE: Western Illinois to the AAC?
(05-24-2018 01:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 06:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Except for a few conferences, especially the Ivy, Pac, B1G, and Patriot, academics are overrated. Who are they really kidding in this day in age? Is anyone in either conference light years better academically than Coastal?

Don't agree at all. It's actually underrated at least at the P5 level where perception and prestige rule the day. That's why flagships/flagship-equivalents and private universities get a boost. The SEC added 2 AAU schools (Texas A&M and Missouri), while the Big 12 named Tulane as an expansion finalist a few years ago but not Memphis.

Now, outside of the P5, Big East, Ivy League and Patriot League, I agree that academics aren't as much of an issue, but the P5 is generally what we care about here.


PAC 12 did saw San Diego State as a future add because they have the academics, but they also mentioned Boise State as a future add. They saw potentials that Boise State academics are on the rise. Pretty soon, they would overtake Idaho on the list as a research. It seems that the Idaho's lawmakers is throwing money towards Boise State than they would with Idaho. They even mentioned the med school they are planning would be in Boise.
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RE: Western Illinois to the AAC?
(05-24-2018 02:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 01:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 06:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Except for a few conferences, especially the Ivy, Pac, B1G, and Patriot, academics are overrated. Who are they really kidding in this day in age? Is anyone in either conference light years better academically than Coastal?

Don't agree at all. It's actually underrated at least at the P5 level where perception and prestige rule the day. That's why flagships/flagship-equivalents and private universities get a boost. The SEC added 2 AAU schools (Texas A&M and Missouri), while the Big 12 named Tulane as an expansion finalist a few years ago but not Memphis.

Now, outside of the P5, Big East, Ivy League and Patriot League, I agree that academics aren't as much of an issue, but the P5 is generally what we care about here.


PAC 12 did saw San Diego State as a future add because they have the academics, but they also mentioned Boise State as a future add. They saw potentials that Boise State academics are on the rise. Pretty soon, they would overtake Idaho on the list as a research. It seems that the Idaho's lawmakers is throwing money towards Boise State than they would with Idaho. They even mentioned the med school they are planning would be in Boise.

San Diego St is a good school, but they aren’t one of the MWC Carnegie R1 schools (CSU, UNM, Hawaii).
Boise St is probably last place in terms of research in the MWC, I’m guessing and I have heard nothing about a medical school at Boise St.
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RE: Western Illinois to the AAC?
(05-24-2018 02:36 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 02:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 01:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 06:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Except for a few conferences, especially the Ivy, Pac, B1G, and Patriot, academics are overrated. Who are they really kidding in this day in age? Is anyone in either conference light years better academically than Coastal?

Don't agree at all. It's actually underrated at least at the P5 level where perception and prestige rule the day. That's why flagships/flagship-equivalents and private universities get a boost. The SEC added 2 AAU schools (Texas A&M and Missouri), while the Big 12 named Tulane as an expansion finalist a few years ago but not Memphis.

Now, outside of the P5, Big East, Ivy League and Patriot League, I agree that academics aren't as much of an issue, but the P5 is generally what we care about here.


PAC 12 did saw San Diego State as a future add because they have the academics, but they also mentioned Boise State as a future add. They saw potentials that Boise State academics are on the rise. Pretty soon, they would overtake Idaho on the list as a research. It seems that the Idaho's lawmakers is throwing money towards Boise State than they would with Idaho. They even mentioned the med school they are planning would be in Boise.

San Diego St is a good school, but they aren’t one of the MWC Carnegie R1 schools (CSU, UNM, Hawaii).
Boise St is probably last place in terms of research in the MWC, I’m guessing and I have heard nothing about a medical school at Boise St.

San Jose State is dead last in MWC for academics. They are not at R3. They are fifth level. Fresno State is one step away from being an R3.
San Diego State is listed as R1 according to Carnegie rankings. They are now doing it every three years instead of 5. Florida Tech was listed like 5th level, and now they are an R2.
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RE: Western Illinois to the AAC?
(05-24-2018 02:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 02:36 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 02:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 01:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 06:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Except for a few conferences, especially the Ivy, Pac, B1G, and Patriot, academics are overrated. Who are they really kidding in this day in age? Is anyone in either conference light years better academically than Coastal?

Don't agree at all. It's actually underrated at least at the P5 level where perception and prestige rule the day. That's why flagships/flagship-equivalents and private universities get a boost. The SEC added 2 AAU schools (Texas A&M and Missouri), while the Big 12 named Tulane as an expansion finalist a few years ago but not Memphis.

Now, outside of the P5, Big East, Ivy League and Patriot League, I agree that academics aren't as much of an issue, but the P5 is generally what we care about here.


PAC 12 did saw San Diego State as a future add because they have the academics, but they also mentioned Boise State as a future add. They saw potentials that Boise State academics are on the rise. Pretty soon, they would overtake Idaho on the list as a research. It seems that the Idaho's lawmakers is throwing money towards Boise State than they would with Idaho. They even mentioned the med school they are planning would be in Boise.

San Diego St is a good school, but they aren’t one of the MWC Carnegie R1 schools (CSU, UNM, Hawaii).
Boise St is probably last place in terms of research in the MWC, I’m guessing and I have heard nothing about a medical school at Boise St.

San Jose State is dead last in MWC for academics. They are not at R3. They are fifth level. Fresno State is one step away from being an R3.
San Diego State is listed as R1 according to Carnegie rankings. They are now doing it every three years instead of 5. Florida Tech was listed like 5th level, and now they are an R2.

Hmmmm....according to Wikipedia, San Diego St is R2.
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RE: Western Illinois to the AAC?
Back on topic . . .

If WIU downgrades, and IPFW somehow finds another conference, the Summit is in some serious trouble, with four schools sponsoring baseball (NDSU, SDSU, Omaha, ORU), four sponsoring FCS football (the Dakotas), and there sponsoring men’s soccer (Denver, Omaha, ORU)

The safest solution would be to add five schools: UTRGV, Incarnate Word, Houston Baptist, Texas A&M-Corpus Christi, and either UMKC or Central Arkansas. This would give the Summit seven men’s soccer schools, six or seven schools in football, and eight or nine schools in baseball. Divisional play could be used in basketball, even if only for scheduling purposes.

What’s in it for the newcomers? Better travel for UTRGV (and possibly UMKC). Access to key markets in Texas for UMKC, or games in Oklahoma for Central Arkansas. The Texas schools pick up exposure in Omaha, Denver, and possibly Kansas City. The Southland schools are now splitting a tournament credit 12 ways instead of 13 ways. Want to start football? You now have a conference.
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RE: Western Illinois to the AAC?
(05-24-2018 09:40 AM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 07:43 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
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You act like 20k is anything to be proud of in FBS football., regardless of MAC attendance. NDSU should stay where they are, not that they were contemplating moving up.

And why exactly would Wyoming be able to recruit anywhere outside it's own geographical area?

FBS provides more revenue than FCS and provides much better advertising and publicity than FCS. Coastal Carolina, which had a 9k stadium and moved up to FBS, is a prime example of the thinking which goes into making an FBS decsion. Think there will be a lot more moveups, but in groups, not single ones like Liberty and Coastal. A group moveup would save substantially on costs.

There’s already too many FBS teams, look at the MAC, it’s a completely saturated market in Ohio and a little bit in Michigan. EMU, Kent st, and akron are three programs that struggle because they’re so dang close to other Mac schools and P5 schools. I mean EMU is freaking 6 miles from university of Michigan, what a recipe for disaster.

You just love beating on that dead horse.
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RE: Western Illinois to the AAC?
I do not think moving WIU is the anser if all the Illinois schools are in trouble at the D1 level. I do think creating a more midwest feel of Illinois, Indiana, eastern Missouri, northern Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin schools for all sports public.
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(05-24-2018 09:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I do not think moving WIU is the anser if all the Illinois schools are in trouble at the D1 level. I do think creating a more midwest feel of Illinois, Indiana, eastern Missouri, northern Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin schools for all sports public.

Is there a D2 league like that for WIU?
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(05-24-2018 09:44 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 09:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I do not think moving WIU is the anser if all the Illinois schools are in trouble at the D1 level. I do think creating a more midwest feel of Illinois, Indiana, eastern Missouri, northern Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin schools for all sports public.

Is there a D2 league like that for WIU?


There are only 2 schools in Illinois that plays football at the D2 level. . The travel might be even worst for them. At D1? They play the FBS plus 2 in the MVc and Eastern Illinois.
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RE: Western Illinois to the AAC?
AAC conference office moving from Providence to Dallas area in two years
https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...two-years/
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Macomb is closer to Dallas than Providence.

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RE: Western Illinois to the AAC?
(06-01-2018 10:14 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  AAC conference office moving from Providence to Dallas area in two years
https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...two-years/

I keep adjusting it (you know, crinkling it, uncrinkling it), but my NoDak™ brand tin-foil hat isn't helping me divine any of the super duper top secret conference moves undoubtedly in the works that this office relocation is indicative of. I want my money back.
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