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Why aren't more G5 teams scheduling 3 or 4 P5 games every year? If your AD cannot get it done (or doesn't fit with his scheduling philosophy), then let him know. At least have 3 games that matter and are like bowl games. Even our bowl tie-ins only have one P5 opportunity. There is also no chance of any C-USA team ever making a major bowl with only one or even two P5s scheduled. Yes, it increases your change of having a losing record but with our bowl lineup are you really missing out on much? Give me a 5-7 record with 4 P5s on the schedule rather than C-USA runner up with 1 P5 game please. Are you saving yourself for conference play? If so, why? Do you really get excited about winning C-DOA. Not to mention, 10x more money per game scheduled than our tv deal will provide.
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1. These are what we call body bag games. Nobody gives a crap about watching their team get destroyed on National TV.
2. While Home & Homes are starting to materialize more and more, its still quite rare to get a P-5 home game. If you had you rfour regular conference games plus three OOC Away games. You would never get more that 5 home games a year.
3. You miss 14 free practices that helps transition into the next year when you go to a bowl game. Its like a second spring practice..
4. If only P5 games matter then you need to start rooting for a P5 team because the meat and potatoes of CUSA fandom lies between El Paso and Norfolk VA. It is what it is.
5. Best example of what playing too many P5 schools can be seen at ULM. They prop up their entire Athletic Program mostly on Body Bag games and Empty seats in the stands prove that that is a horrible idea.

6. In reference to a Major Bowl. Its really about exposure, SOS, and Branding. You beat two P5 schools and they are both scrubs, Boise or Houston is gonna pass you by even with a loss. Your entire Conference has to have a strong outing, unless you are Boise. Beating Kentucky, Vanderbilt or Illinois doesn't do anything as far as Major Bowl implications go. The Branding part is the hardest to accomplish. It involves beating a ranked team a couple of times over a short period or having a Heisman quality talent with a good team that finishes in a good bowl.
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(09-23-2016 10:35 AM)goldeneagle21 Wrote:  Why aren't more G5 teams scheduling 3 or 4 P5 games every year? If your AD cannot get it done (or doesn't fit with his scheduling philosophy), then let him know. At least have 3 games that matter and are like bowl games. Even our bowl tie-ins only have one P5 opportunity. There is also no chance of any C-USA team ever making a major bowl with only one or even two P5s scheduled. Yes, it increases your change of having a losing record but with our bowl lineup are you really missing out on much? Give me a 5-7 record with 4 P5s on the schedule rather than C-USA runner up with 1 P5 game please. Are you saving yourself for conference play? If so, why? Do you really get excited about winning C-DOA. Not to mention, 10x more money per game scheduled than our tv deal will provide.

I have a different opinion and politely disagree.
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(09-23-2016 10:35 AM)goldeneagle21 Wrote:  Why aren't more G5 teams scheduling 3 or 4 P5 games every year? If your AD cannot get it done (or doesn't fit with his scheduling philosophy), then let him know. At least have 3 games that matter and are like bowl games. Even our bowl tie-ins only have one P5 opportunity. There is also no chance of any C-USA team ever making a major bowl with only one or even two P5s scheduled. Yes, it increases your change of having a losing record but with our bowl lineup are you really missing out on much? Give me a 5-7 record with 4 P5s on the schedule rather than C-USA runner up with 1 P5 game please. Are you saving yourself for conference play? If so, why? Do you really get excited about winning C-DOA. Not to mention, 10x more money per game scheduled than our tv deal will provide.

I don't entirely disagree. There's something to be said for playing up. Doing it affordably and effectively is the catch.

An ideal out of conference schedule this year for me would have been:

Arkansas - Away - 1 and done paycheck game
Texas Tech - Away - 1 and done paycheck game
P5 home game or neutral site (Shreveport) - 1 for 1
G5 home game - MAC/AAC/MWC/Sunbelt 1 for 1

I don't like FCS buy games, personally, but I'd be willing to sub the G5 home game if necessary.
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Scheduling like the OP wants is a great way to kill a fanbase...

don't kid yourself because at best we come out of that 2-2 but most likely 1-3 or 0-4. It's hard enough getting 1 home and home so at least 3 of those will be on the road. Add in 4 conference road games and you are left with 5 home games MAX and 4 in some years....

KILLS YOUR FAN BASE
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(09-23-2016 11:57 AM)LaTechBanjo Wrote:  
(09-23-2016 10:35 AM)goldeneagle21 Wrote:  Why aren't more G5 teams scheduling 3 or 4 P5 games every year? If your AD cannot get it done (or doesn't fit with his scheduling philosophy), then let him know. At least have 3 games that matter and are like bowl games. Even our bowl tie-ins only have one P5 opportunity. There is also no chance of any C-USA team ever making a major bowl with only one or even two P5s scheduled. Yes, it increases your change of having a losing record but with our bowl lineup are you really missing out on much? Give me a 5-7 record with 4 P5s on the schedule rather than C-USA runner up with 1 P5 game please. Are you saving yourself for conference play? If so, why? Do you really get excited about winning C-DOA. Not to mention, 10x more money per game scheduled than our tv deal will provide.

I don't entirely disagree. There's something to be said for playing up. Doing it affordably and effectively is the catch.

An ideal out of conference schedule this year for me would have been:

Arkansas - Away - 1 and done paycheck game
Texas Tech - Away - 1 and done paycheck game
P5 home game or neutral site (Shreveport) - 1 for 1
G5 home game - MAC/AAC/MWC/Sunbelt 1 for 1

I don't like FCS buy games, personally, but I'd be willing to sub the G5 home game if necessary.

I prefer FCS and G5 games with two P5 games. In a perfect world, we could get a local P5 to play us at home, but it don't happen but once a decade. Playing certain FCS teams is a huge boost to attendance. Northwestern State, Grambling St. Southern, Jackson State and Mcneese will definitely bring a host of fans. Bowling Green and Umass....not so much. Next year we have 7 home games including Miss State and Northwestern State. It should be a fun year!
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(09-23-2016 12:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Scheduling like the OP wants is a great way to kill a fanbase...

don't kid yourself because at best we come out of that 2-2 but most likely 1-3 or 0-4. It's hard enough getting 1 home and home so at least 3 of those will be on the road. Add in 4 conference road games and you are left with 5 home games MAX and 4 in some years....

KILLS YOUR FAN BASE

For once you and I completely agree. Add to that the injuries can pile up early in the season if you are not careful.
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[quote='pilot172000' pid='13602418' dateline='1474648054']
1. These are what we call body bag games. Nobody gives a crap about watching their team get destroyed on National TV.

Did you say national tv instead of campus insiders? Sign me up.

2. While Home & Homes are starting to materialize more and more, its still quite rare to get a P-5 home game. If you had you rfour regular conference games plus three OOC Away games. You would never get more that 5 home games a year.

Whatever it takes, anyone, anywhere, anytime.

3. You miss 14 free practices that helps transition into the next year when you go to a bowl game. Its like a second spring practice..

PRACTICE? We are talking about practice?

4. If only P5 games matter then you need to start rooting for a P5 team because the meat and potatoes of CUSA fandom lies between El Paso and Norfolk VA. It is what it is.

No, I will never root for a P5 unless USM becomes one. I do want to beat them and have plenty of opportunities to do so.

5. Best example of what playing too many P5 schools can be seen at ULM. They prop up their entire Athletic Program mostly on Body Bag games and Empty seats in the stands prove that that is a horrible idea.

Empty Seats? What G5 doesn't already have that problem?

6. In reference to a Major Bowl. Its really about exposure, SOS, and Branding. You beat two P5 schools and they are both scrubs, Boise or Houston is gonna pass you by even with a loss. Your entire Conference has to have a strong outing, unless you are Boise. Beating Kentucky, Vanderbilt or Illinois doesn't do anything as far as Major Bowl implications go. The Branding part is the hardest to accomplish. It involves beating a ranked team a couple of times over a short period or having a Heisman quality talent with a good team that finishes in a good bowl.

You mention Boise and Houston. Do any other teams aspire to reach their heights or is the benchmark a C-DOA championship and a trip to a bowl to play Eastern Michigan State? If so, by all means keep doing what you do.
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(09-23-2016 01:42 PM)goldeneagle21 Wrote:  [quote='pilot172000' pid='13602418' dateline='1474648054']
1. These are what we call body bag games. Nobody gives a crap about watching their team get destroyed on National TV.

Did you say national tv instead of campus insiders? Sign me up.

2. While Home & Homes are starting to materialize more and more, its still quite rare to get a P-5 home game. If you had you rfour regular conference games plus three OOC Away games. You would never get more that 5 home games a year.

Whatever it takes, anyone, anywhere, anytime.

3. You miss 14 free practices that helps transition into the next year when you go to a bowl game. Its like a second spring practice..

PRACTICE? We are talking about practice?

4. If only P5 games matter then you need to start rooting for a P5 team because the meat and potatoes of CUSA fandom lies between El Paso and Norfolk VA. It is what it is.

No, I will never root for a P5 unless USM becomes one. I do want to beat them and have plenty of opportunities to do so.

5. Best example of what playing too many P5 schools can be seen at ULM. They prop up their entire Athletic Program mostly on Body Bag games and Empty seats in the stands prove that that is a horrible idea.

Empty Seats? What G5 doesn't already have that problem?

6. In reference to a Major Bowl. Its really about exposure, SOS, and Branding. You beat two P5 schools and they are both scrubs, Boise or Houston is gonna pass you by even with a loss. Your entire Conference has to have a strong outing, unless you are Boise. Beating Kentucky, Vanderbilt or Illinois doesn't do anything as far as Major Bowl implications go. The Branding part is the hardest to accomplish. It involves beating a ranked team a couple of times over a short period or having a Heisman quality talent with a good team that finishes in a good bowl.

You mention Boise and Houston. Do any other teams aspire to reach their heights or is the benchmark a C-DOA championship and a trip to a bowl to play Eastern Michigan State? If so, by all means keep doing what you do.

Of course we aspire for greatness, don't be so obtuse. Boise got there because the learned how to game the BCS system and they hit the lottery twice! They also have no competition in a state with no Pro teams. Houston, who was a former power, poured gobs and gobs of money into their program about three years ago to make a final run at a P5 conference. If you think getting your head bashed in by playing 3 or 4 P5 teams be my guest, but I can assure you that the stands will be empty. Like I said earlier, when you complained about our bowls and our championships, you better get used to it or you are gonna be one miserable person. And if you win half a dozen CUSA titles play in bowls every year, a smart Athletic director is gonna move you up the food chain to where you can play those coveted games.
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(09-23-2016 11:27 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  1. These are what we call body bag games. Nobody gives a crap about watching their team get destroyed on National TV.
2. While Home & Homes are starting to materialize more and more, its still quite rare to get a P-5 home game. If you had you rfour regular conference games plus three OOC Away games. You would never get more that 5 home games a year.
3. You miss 14 free practices that helps transition into the next year when you go to a bowl game. Its like a second spring practice..
4. If only P5 games matter then you need to start rooting for a P5 team because the meat and potatoes of CUSA fandom lies between El Paso and Norfolk VA. It is what it is.
5. Best example of what playing too many P5 schools can be seen at ULM. They prop up their entire Athletic Program mostly on Body Bag games and Empty seats in the stands prove that that is a horrible idea.

6. In reference to a Major Bowl. Its really about exposure, SOS, and Branding. You beat two P5 schools and they are both scrubs, Boise or Houston is gonna pass you by even with a loss. Your entire Conference has to have a strong outing, unless you are Boise. Beating Kentucky, Vanderbilt or Illinois doesn't do anything as far as Major Bowl implications go. The Branding part is the hardest to accomplish. It involves beating a ranked team a couple of times over a short period or having a Heisman quality talent with a good team that finishes in a good bowl.

All good points, if the 4 P5's are beatable weak P5 such as Kentucky, Vandy, Virginia, NC State, it might be doable especially if one of those games is at home.
But, 4 P5 body bag games would be bad for the team and fanbase
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(09-23-2016 03:42 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(09-23-2016 11:27 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  1. These are what we call body bag games. Nobody gives a crap about watching their team get destroyed on National TV.
2. While Home & Homes are starting to materialize more and more, its still quite rare to get a P-5 home game. If you had you rfour regular conference games plus three OOC Away games. You would never get more that 5 home games a year.
3. You miss 14 free practices that helps transition into the next year when you go to a bowl game. Its like a second spring practice..
4. If only P5 games matter then you need to start rooting for a P5 team because the meat and potatoes of CUSA fandom lies between El Paso and Norfolk VA. It is what it is.
5. Best example of what playing too many P5 schools can be seen at ULM. They prop up their entire Athletic Program mostly on Body Bag games and Empty seats in the stands prove that that is a horrible idea.

6. In reference to a Major Bowl. Its really about exposure, SOS, and Branding. You beat two P5 schools and they are both scrubs, Boise or Houston is gonna pass you by even with a loss. Your entire Conference has to have a strong outing, unless you are Boise. Beating Kentucky, Vanderbilt or Illinois doesn't do anything as far as Major Bowl implications go. The Branding part is the hardest to accomplish. It involves beating a ranked team a couple of times over a short period or having a Heisman quality talent with a good team that finishes in a good bowl.

All good points, if the 4 P5's are beatable weak P5 such as Kentucky, Vandy, Virginia, NC State, it might be doable especially if one of those games is at home.
But, 4 P5 body bag games would be bad for the team and fanbase

In a perfect world we would schedule that way, but the rich didn't get richer for nothing. The minute we started playing those teams for money and winning, they quit scheduling us. The only ones that would were the ones that knew the odds were stacked against us to beat them especially at home. I promise you Virginia and Illinois won't schedule us for a very long time.
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If you look at USM schedules of the past: up until early 2000's, we use to play 2-3 SEC teams per year along with a Texas A&M, a Penn State, a Nebraska, a California, or a Oklahoma State rotated in the mix each season or the other. I actually liked those schedules, it produced tough opponents and national attention..and able to draw good enough recruits for those games. Sure, we got blasted by majority of those SEC games, but alot of those we either held our own and had decent close losses or we won. I know a loss is a loss, but we use to play the Bama's, and Auburn's close and steal some of those games. We had that reputation of "Giant Killers" remember? It looks like we may be slowly getting back to playing those types of games again, with playing 2 SEC teams this year..and 2 next season..and Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee in the future. I like it better than the recent schedules..and plus it's s big payday? You can't beat them unless you play them.
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