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(09-23-2016 09:14 AM)Max Power Wrote:  Southerners have always agitated for more "state/local rights" so they can be free to discriminate against minorities.

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You're kidding right? It was the cry of the Confederacy and the Jim Crow South, George Wallace etc through today.
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so no link? got it! 07-coffee3
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The 10th Amendment is the most ignored Amendment in history and that has only hurt America.
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(09-23-2016 09:20 AM)Max Power Wrote:  You're kidding right? It was the cry of the Confederacy and the Jim Crow South, George Wallace etc through today.

Or it could be that government works best closer to the people?
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Or it could be that government works best closer to the people?

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(09-23-2016 10:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-23-2016 09:20 AM)Max Power Wrote:  You're kidding right? It was the cry of the Confederacy and the Jim Crow South, George Wallace etc through today.

Or it could be that government works best closer to the people?

Or it could be that that was commonly understood pretext to get the feds out of my way so I could own slaves, keep blacks off my lunch counters, keep blacks out of my school, establish poll taxes, etc etc.
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(09-23-2016 10:21 AM)Max Power Wrote:  
(09-23-2016 10:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-23-2016 09:20 AM)Max Power Wrote:  You're kidding right? It was the cry of the Confederacy and the Jim Crow South, George Wallace etc through today.

Or it could be that government works best closer to the people?

Or it could be that that was commonly understood pretext to get the feds out of my way so I could own slaves, keep blacks off my lunch counters, keep blacks out of my school, establish poll taxes, etc etc.

With the 13th and 14th Amendments, along with SCOTUS rulings striking down separate but equal, this has nothing to do with states rights. States and localities do not have the right to discriminate or enact slavery. That is the law and your point is irrelevant regardless of what the law was 200 years ago. States do have the right to exercise their constitutional powers as well as powers not enumerated in the constitution. Just because some in the past have used states rights to keep the feds out of their business with regards to slavery and civil rights does not discredit the fact that states do have rights. I don't want the federal government dictating how my son's school operates for instance. Pretty simple stuff actually.
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(09-23-2016 10:20 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Or it could be that government works best closer to the people?

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/brexit-a-di...re/5533961
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(09-23-2016 09:14 AM)Max Power Wrote:  Southerners have always agitated for more "state/local rights" so they can be free to discriminate against minorities.

Perhaps because the South likes to follow the Constitution of the United States and how it was written originally?
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(09-22-2016 06:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-22-2016 05:54 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I do hypothesize that a Trump win is going to lead to a weaker presidency anyway. He'll have no allies.

One reason to vote for Trump.

As far as I'm concerned, the ONLY one... but it's a BIG BIG BIG one for me.

(09-23-2016 08:03 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I'm with you on that one. Far too much power has been 'claimed' by the President or essentially given up by a weak Congress. For all the complaining about nothing getting done,I think things would actually improve if power was returned to the branches it belongs to.

I don't think Congress has been weak and given up power. I think they've merely taken 'different' power. It's the power of the people that has been lost.

Both sides now simply argue over which policies and beliefs to shove down everyone's throats... and politicians profit greatly from the argument, but never from the solution. If you think about the way government and government spending works... where if you don't spend all your money this year, you lose it next year... so they almost always find ways to spend every dime... and having a goal of reducing the spending for what is supposed to be temporary support (either to people or the 'economy') is viewed as trying to take food from people or kill the economy... similarly solving problems eliminates the need for a budget for solving it.

What bureaucrat wants to work to eliminate their job?

(09-23-2016 10:20 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Or it could be that government works best closer to the people?

Examples?

All of Europe
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The Constitution of the United States was written originally to explicitly hand Congress the power to tax and regulate for the general welfare and regulate interstate commerce. These are broad as **** powers.
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(09-23-2016 09:20 AM)Max Power Wrote:  You're kidding right? It was the cry of the Confederacy and the Jim Crow South, George Wallace etc through today.

Which level of government initially approved that discrimination after the Civil War?
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(09-23-2016 10:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-23-2016 10:21 AM)Max Power Wrote:  
(09-23-2016 10:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-23-2016 09:20 AM)Max Power Wrote:  You're kidding right? It was the cry of the Confederacy and the Jim Crow South, George Wallace etc through today.

Or it could be that government works best closer to the people?

Or it could be that that was commonly understood pretext to get the feds out of my way so I could own slaves, keep blacks off my lunch counters, keep blacks out of my school, establish poll taxes, etc etc.

With the 13th and 14th Amendments, along with SCOTUS rulings striking down separate but equal, this has nothing to do with states rights. States and localities do not have the right to discriminate or enact slavery. That is the law and your point is irrelevant regardless of what the law was 200 years ago. States do have the right to exercise their constitutional powers as well as powers not enumerated in the constitution. Just because some in the past have used states rights to keep the feds out of their business with regards to slavery and civil rights does not discredit the fact that states do have rights. I don't want the federal government dictating how my son's school operates for instance. Pretty simple stuff actually.

The 13th and 14th Amendments and Brown v Board of Education didn't exactly end state sponsored racism. Since BvB, there have been fights over the 1964 Civil Rights Act (which Sen Ran Paul said a few years ago he doesn't support BTW), forced bussing, the Voting Rights Act (which has been gutted by the conservative SCOTUS in recent years), Section 1983 and many others.

Look I'm not saying it impossible to have a reasonable non-racist reason for being pro states rights. But it's long been a dog whistle to racists, used by the likes of Nixon and Reagan to show solidarity with racists.
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(09-23-2016 09:23 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  so no link? got it! 07-coffee3

Not only no link, but his most recent example is 40 years ago and a Democrat.

Just 15 years ago, Hillary was against Gay Marriage and Pro-war in Iraq.
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(09-23-2016 10:58 AM)Max Power Wrote:  Look I'm not saying it impossible to have a reasonable non-racist reason for being pro states rights. But it's long been a dog whistle to racists, used by the likes of Nixon and Reagan to show solidarity with racists.

So we're supposed to give up on states rights, which you admit there are possibly good reasons for, because it might ALSO appeal to racists? We don't ask Democrats to end their support for programs that would also benefit racists. Affirmative Action is supported by racists, but that doesn't make it wrong... not all racists are white.

I understand this is your sides argument about LOTS of things, but that doesn't make it right. In fact, it makes it more wrong.

It is entirely possible to be pro states rights AND anti-discrimination. In the easiest example, you do what our country was designed to do. The Feds review state laws and actions and 'strike down' those that are discriminatory. This is VASTLY preferable to making decisions in Washington, primarily supported by those who live in densely populated urban centers to address THEIR needs, but then those plans are forced onto rural states that don't need or want those things... but they'll take the money... and then in response (and an attempt at fairness) they additionally vote for things for the rural states, and now urban states get that money too (to be fair). Meanwhile, the taxpayer is paying double what anyone ACTUALLY wants.
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(09-23-2016 10:21 AM)Max Power Wrote:  
(09-23-2016 10:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-23-2016 09:20 AM)Max Power Wrote:  You're kidding right? It was the cry of the Confederacy and the Jim Crow South, George Wallace etc through today.

Or it could be that government works best closer to the people?

Or it could be that that was commonly understood pretext to get the feds out of my way so I could own slaves, keep blacks off my lunch counters, keep blacks out of my school, establish poll taxes, etc etc.


Why do lib's constantly hammer at prehistoric events? The only people alive today that has any memory of such events are shut-in's at convalescent centers.
Maybe it is Hollywood and the incessant replay of past people's behaviors just to divide and anger the people of today.
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(09-23-2016 10:58 AM)Max Power Wrote:  Since BvB, there have been fights over the 1964 Civil Rights Act (which Sen Ran Paul said a few years ago he doesn't support BTW)

No, he didn't. That's a pretty blatant mischaracterization of what he said. But you're an ambulance chaser, exaggeration is your stock in trade.
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(09-22-2016 05:06 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  9 of the top 12 threads as I just signed on are from the libs here. I thought they had disappeared. That said, their fear is palpable.

This from the person who posts 2 or 3 Hillary threads a day? 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
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(09-23-2016 10:54 AM)Max Power Wrote:  The Constitution of the United States was written originally to explicitly hand Congress the power to tax and regulate for the general welfare and regulate interstate commerce. These are broad as **** powers.

Not really. They have certainly been interpreted by 'progressive' courts as being broad, but in their original intent, they were intended to be quite narrow. That was precisely the purpose of the Bill of Rights and the reserving of all powers not specifically enumerated.

The power to tax only becomes broad when you decide that 'general welfare' includes everything. NONE of the things we today call 'general welfare' were part of that description for the better part of 250 years, yet courts and politicians decide today that they intended them anyway. Interstate commerce merely established federal jurisdiction for things that crossed state lines. Feds have taken power over the states by taxing citizens in those states and promising them some of it back if they fall in line. THAT was NEVER intended by the framers and IMO, violates the Constitution. Progressive courts have disagreed.

SOME 'progress' is good. The vast majority of what we call progress (which is often little trivial stuff, not the biggies) is not.
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