By the way, I hope it goes without saying that one should take all of NoDak's pronouncements about what NDSU (football) wants, with a massive grain of salt.

Most of them are 100% made up, and he won't be able to supply any quotes or articles backing them up.

Rube,

Duluth is one thing, but Mankato is in an entirely different university system than the U of Minn. so the U has no actual power to block Mankato. And besides, the U knows Mankato wouldn't be stealing any bball recruits, even as a DI low major. Plus they're already DI in hockey, so nothing changes there.

(09-23-2016 07:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  By the way, I hope it goes without saying that one should take all of NoDak's pronouncements about what NDSU (football) wants, with a massive grain of salt.

Most of them are 100% made up, and he won't be able to supply any quotes or articles backing them up.

MplsBison lacks critical thinking skills, as plainly exhibited here.

I wish Alabama would schedule them to shut them up

(09-22-2016 09:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 07:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The only way I can see NDSU gets into the MAC if one of the Minnesota schools do a major upgrade to go D1, and then to FBS. Both Mankato State and Minn.-Duluth are great football teams that is winning at the D2 level just like NDSU was. They could be great teams in FCS for a few years.

NDSU doesn't want a Minnesota or Wisconsin FCS team, as that would mess with their recruiting territory. If Duluth or Mankato move up to the Slummit, NDSU would stipulate that they at least drop scholarship football or drop football entirely, like Omaha had to. Omaha was a power in DII football and NDSU was more than happy that Omaha wouldn't be an FCS team.

NDSU welcomed SDSU's rise in DI, because they needed a travel partner. SDSU has historically been a basketball school, not a football one, so NDSU doesn't perceive SDSU as a football threat.

After the early 80's where NDSU had great success in DII, Omaha, UND and N Colorado were the football teams that exceeded NDSU. NDSU doesn't want that to happen again.

You are so delusional.

(09-23-2016 01:04 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 09:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 07:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The only way I can see NDSU gets into the MAC if one of the Minnesota schools do a major upgrade to go D1, and then to FBS. Both Mankato State and Minn.-Duluth are great football teams that is winning at the D2 level just like NDSU was. They could be great teams in FCS for a few years.

NDSU doesn't want a Minnesota or Wisconsin FCS team, as that would mess with their recruiting territory. If Duluth or Mankato move up to the Slummit, NDSU would stipulate that they at least drop scholarship football or drop football entirely, like Omaha had to. Omaha was a power in DII football and NDSU was more than happy that Omaha wouldn't be an FCS team.

NDSU welcomed SDSU's rise in DI, because they needed a travel partner. SDSU has historically been a basketball school, not a football one, so NDSU doesn't perceive SDSU as a football threat.

After the early 80's where NDSU had great success in DII, Omaha, UND and N Colorado were the football teams that exceeded NDSU. NDSU doesn't want that to happen again.

You are so delusional.

He has one thing right in this entire diatribe. SDSU was and still is considered by their fans as a basketball school first.

NDSU had nothing to do with Omaha dropping FB. Because of hockey Omaha could not afford to support FB at the D1 level.

There are 8 other members of the Summit. NDSU has one vote. Your assertion that there is a rumor the Summit are talking to Mankato is a rumor you started and not confirmed by anyone. If Mankato chose to move up, which they won't do; much like Omaha, because of hockey they would have to drop FB because THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO FUND THE SPORT.

As for UND. Your in a different conference. How exactly are NDSU holding you back? They have no power over you.

Much like DavidSt's statement that D2 records matter to anyone in any state, this is all crazy talk.

(09-23-2016 07:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Duluth is one thing, but Mankato is in an entirely different university system than the U of Minn. so the U has no actual power to block Mankato ...

... other than all the U of M power and influence in the Minnesota Legislature. Oh. Wait. Where do MnSCU schools get their money from again?

(09-23-2016 01:04 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 09:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 07:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The only way I can see NDSU gets into the MAC if one of the Minnesota schools do a major upgrade to go D1, and then to FBS. Both Mankato State and Minn.-Duluth are great football teams that is winning at the D2 level just like NDSU was. They could be great teams in FCS for a few years.

NDSU doesn't want a Minnesota or Wisconsin FCS team, as that would mess with their recruiting territory. If Duluth or Mankato move up to the Slummit, NDSU would stipulate that they at least drop scholarship football or drop football entirely, like Omaha had to. Omaha was a power in DII football and NDSU was more than happy that Omaha wouldn't be an FCS team.

NDSU welcomed SDSU's rise in DI, because they needed a travel partner. SDSU has historically been a basketball school, not a football one, so NDSU doesn't perceive SDSU as a football threat.

After the early 80's where NDSU had great success in DII, Omaha, UND and N Colorado were the football teams that exceeded NDSU. NDSU doesn't want that to happen again.

You are so delusional.

Mo State football program is a pathetic wreak at the FCS level so NDSU isn't threatened by them.

Why won't NDSU schedule a series that includes games at UND? No one here has answered the question. Until you can, proves you views about NDSU are delusional.

(09-23-2016 01:32 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 01:04 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 09:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 07:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The only way I can see NDSU gets into the MAC if one of the Minnesota schools do a major upgrade to go D1, and then to FBS. Both Mankato State and Minn.-Duluth are great football teams that is winning at the D2 level just like NDSU was. They could be great teams in FCS for a few years.

NDSU doesn't want a Minnesota or Wisconsin FCS team, as that would mess with their recruiting territory. If Duluth or Mankato move up to the Slummit, NDSU would stipulate that they at least drop scholarship football or drop football entirely, like Omaha had to. Omaha was a power in DII football and NDSU was more than happy that Omaha wouldn't be an FCS team.

NDSU welcomed SDSU's rise in DI, because they needed a travel partner. SDSU has historically been a basketball school, not a football one, so NDSU doesn't perceive SDSU as a football threat.

After the early 80's where NDSU had great success in DII, Omaha, UND and N Colorado were the football teams that exceeded NDSU. NDSU doesn't want that to happen again.

You are so delusional.

He has one thing right in this entire diatribe. SDSU was and still is considered by their fans as a basketball school first.

NDSU had nothing to do with Omaha dropping FB. Because of hockey Omaha could not afford to support FB at the D1 level.

There are 8 other members of the Summit. NDSU has one vote. Your assertion that there is a rumor the Summit are talking to Mankato is a rumor you started and not confirmed by anyone. If Mankato chose to move up, which they won't do; much like Omaha, because of hockey they would have to drop FB because THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO FUND THE SPORT.

As for UND. Your in a different conference. How exactly are NDSU holding you back? They have no power over you.

Much like DavidSt's statement that D2 records matter to anyone in any state, this is all crazy talk.

NDSU and SDSU had the power to block Omaha from the Slummit if they kept football. Simple fact, but denial continues.

Omaha could have kept non-scholarship football in the Pioneer League, and later brought scholarships back. That was completely unacceptable to the XDSU's.

SDSU has been NDSU 's little brother through the whole DI journey, as they vote as a block to maintain their selfish interests. They have prevented the Slummit from offering football, which in fact threatens that league because they need baseball and men's soccer numbers to keep their autobid. Maybe your uneducated self needs to read an NCAA manual to participate on this board.

(09-23-2016 02:28 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 01:32 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 01:04 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 09:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 07:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The only way I can see NDSU gets into the MAC if one of the Minnesota schools do a major upgrade to go D1, and then to FBS. Both Mankato State and Minn.-Duluth are great football teams that is winning at the D2 level just like NDSU was. They could be great teams in FCS for a few years.

NDSU doesn't want a Minnesota or Wisconsin FCS team, as that would mess with their recruiting territory. If Duluth or Mankato move up to the Slummit, NDSU would stipulate that they at least drop scholarship football or drop football entirely, like Omaha had to. Omaha was a power in DII football and NDSU was more than happy that Omaha wouldn't be an FCS team.

NDSU welcomed SDSU's rise in DI, because they needed a travel partner. SDSU has historically been a basketball school, not a football one, so NDSU doesn't perceive SDSU as a football threat.

After the early 80's where NDSU had great success in DII, Omaha, UND and N Colorado were the football teams that exceeded NDSU. NDSU doesn't want that to happen again.

You are so delusional.

He has one thing right in this entire diatribe. SDSU was and still is considered by their fans as a basketball school first.

NDSU had nothing to do with Omaha dropping FB. Because of hockey Omaha could not afford to support FB at the D1 level.

There are 8 other members of the Summit. NDSU has one vote. Your assertion that there is a rumor the Summit are talking to Mankato is a rumor you started and not confirmed by anyone. If Mankato chose to move up, which they won't do; much like Omaha, because of hockey they would have to drop FB because THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO FUND THE SPORT.

As for UND. Your in a different conference. How exactly are NDSU holding you back? They have no power over you.

Much like DavidSt's statement that D2 records matter to anyone in any state, this is all crazy talk.

NDSU and SDSU had the power to block Omaha from the Slummit if they kept football. Simple fact, but denial continues.

Omaha could have kept non-scholarship football in the Pioneer League, and later brought scholarships back. That was completely unacceptable to the XDSU's.

SDSU has been NDSU 's little brother through the whole DI journey, as they vote as a block to maintain their selfish interests. They have prevented the Slummit from offering football, which in fact threatens that league because they need baseball and men's soccer numbers to keep their autobid. Maybe your uneducated self needs to read an NCAA manual to participate on this board.

Wasn't it the Nebraska BOR or legislature that told Omaha they had to drop football to move up? That's what I seem to recall.

I'm pretty sure them dropping football had zero to do with what the Dakotas wanted.

(09-23-2016 02:07 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 07:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Duluth is one thing, but Mankato is in an entirely different university system than the U of Minn. so the U has no actual power to block Mankato ...

... other than all the U of M power and influence in the Minnesota Legislature. Oh. Wait. Where do MnSCU schools get their money from again?

The state legislature. Anyway, the UofM, if all was fair, probably doesn't care if UMD or Mankato or St. Cloud have contemplated moving up in class over the last few decades. But legislators do(especially those in the Twin Cities area) and if any of those schools tried to move up, they'd lose the hockey programs and be forced to DIII.

(09-23-2016 03:18 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 02:28 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 01:32 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 01:04 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 09:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  NDSU doesn't want a Minnesota or Wisconsin FCS team, as that would mess with their recruiting territory. If Duluth or Mankato move up to the Slummit, NDSU would stipulate that they at least drop scholarship football or drop football entirely, like Omaha had to. Omaha was a power in DII football and NDSU was more than happy that Omaha wouldn't be an FCS team.

NDSU welcomed SDSU's rise in DI, because they needed a travel partner. SDSU has historically been a basketball school, not a football one, so NDSU doesn't perceive SDSU as a football threat.

After the early 80's where NDSU had great success in DII, Omaha, UND and N Colorado were the football teams that exceeded NDSU. NDSU doesn't want that to happen again.

You are so delusional.

He has one thing right in this entire diatribe. SDSU was and still is considered by their fans as a basketball school first.

NDSU had nothing to do with Omaha dropping FB. Because of hockey Omaha could not afford to support FB at the D1 level.

There are 8 other members of the Summit. NDSU has one vote. Your assertion that there is a rumor the Summit are talking to Mankato is a rumor you started and not confirmed by anyone. If Mankato chose to move up, which they won't do; much like Omaha, because of hockey they would have to drop FB because THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO FUND THE SPORT.

As for UND. Your in a different conference. How exactly are NDSU holding you back? They have no power over you.

Much like DavidSt's statement that D2 records matter to anyone in any state, this is all crazy talk.

NDSU and SDSU had the power to block Omaha from the Slummit if they kept football. Simple fact, but denial continues.

Omaha could have kept non-scholarship football in the Pioneer League, and later brought scholarships back. That was completely unacceptable to the XDSU's.

SDSU has been NDSU 's little brother through the whole DI journey, as they vote as a block to maintain their selfish interests. They have prevented the Slummit from offering football, which in fact threatens that league because they need baseball and men's soccer numbers to keep their autobid. Maybe your uneducated self needs to read an NCAA manual to participate on this board.

Wasn't it the Nebraska BOR or legislature that told Omaha they had to drop football to move up? That's what I seem to recall.

I'm pretty sure them dropping football had zero to do with what the Dakotas wanted.

The MVFC boards are so filled with myths because the XDSU's fans believe the crap their administrators, who are known liars and spin meisters, tell them.

Ask oneself, would the Cornhuskers be threatened by an FCS Omaha, or would an FCS Omaha be more threatening to the XDSU's, who now get quality prospects from Nebraska? Trev Alberts was hated in Omaha because he dropped their football and DII champion wrestling team. He could have easily kept non schollies football and even wrestling, as that would have placated much of the anger. The Slummit fans poo poo the idea that men's soccer and baseball are not strategically important, but Trev Albertsons had to start men's soccer to satisfy the Slummit. That is the exact opposite behavior for Alberts to have if he wanted popularity. But that was the price of DI admission to the Slummit, and those terms were not imposed on them by Nebraska or Creighton. The XDSU's wrestling has incidentally improved since Omaha dropped it, but the XDSU's won't add men's soccer probably ever, so Omaha soccer isn't a threat.

Find me a reference where Nebraska ordered Omaha to drop football to go DI. There is only speculation by XDSU fans who believe garbage and spin. The XDSU's want to be the heir apparents for MVC slots, and if Omaha had an FCS team, Omaha could jump to the lead with basketball success and an FCS team.

Have Kansas and Kansas St fought Wichita State desires to go FBS? Those two schools have much more to lose than if Omaha had gone FCS. Why would the Cornhuskers block Omaha FCS? Did the Cornhuskers attempt to block USD and SDSU FCS? USD is right across the Mo River from Nebraska, and they have much to gain too without Omaha football. NU has even played SDSU, so it's not like NU is boycotting the SD teams as threats.

The MVFC boards have stated that Omaha didn't want a Nebraska hockey team to compete with, so they agreed to drop football as their end of the offer. Well guess what? Nebraska's new Haymarket Arena has ice making capability. Omaha hockey fans actually like the idea of NU getting a hockey team because the city rivalry would be unreal. Cornhusker allegiance to football is strong, even among some Creighton and Omaha fans. But it doesn't necessarily extend to basketball and hockey.

Board posters here freely acknowledge the politics involved with conference affiliation, but Slummit fans seem to insist that there was no politics and the XDSU's are like virgin maidens even though NDSU's presidents have been run out of town for being crooks and scoundrels. Hmm....

Sica/Rube,

You'll think what you want to, but I'm here to proclaim that the U wouldn't be able to stop Mankato from moving DI. That's a fact. Not saying Mankato wants to move DI. There's no evidence of that.

(09-23-2016 06:38 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Sica/Rube,

You'll think what you want to, but I'm here to proclaim that the U wouldn't be able to stop Mankato from moving DI. That's a fact. Not saying Mankato wants to move DI. There's no evidence of that.

Specifically stated earlier the rumor came from a UND alum who works at Mankato. But you don't trust anything but press releases but then you are still here for some odd reason.

NoDak,

You've really gone off the deep end this week. The stench coming off your BS could choke a grandmother up in high heaven.

There's literally not a single iota of integrity backing anything you said in post #52.


Honestly ... who are you preaching to??? No one else here is a UND fan other than Sica, who only posts like once every three months, and no one else here believes a single thing you say.

Any credibility you had on this board has long ago turned into dust, with all the WAC FBS fiction. You could've written a best-selling novel by now.

(09-23-2016 06:44 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  NoDak,

You've really gone off the deep end this week. The stench coming off your BS could choke a grandmother up in high heaven.

There's literally not a single iota of integrity backing anything you said in post #52.


Honestly ... who are you preaching to??? No one else here is a UND fab other than Sica, who only posts like once every three months, and no one else here believes a single thing you say.

Any credibility you had on this board has long ago turned into dust, with all the WAC FBS fiction. You could've written a best-selling novel by now.

The WAC will be FBS again, in spite of yours and other insistence that it is a garbage theory. Obviously was wrong on the timing, but not the premise. Don't underestimate the desire for FBS.

Truth can strike you in the head but it still can't penetration your thick skull. That is obvious too. You can't refute one thing in post 52, so you start tossing spiritual insults, even though you have rejected spirituality.